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Post by HoneeBee on Oct 16, 2006 13:06:39 GMT -5
wow you guys have turned my thinking of progesterone and estrogen upside down. but everything you've been saying seems to make a bit more sense.
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Post by joyful1 on Oct 16, 2006 14:36:13 GMT -5
I know you guys are the experts, but I've had no good experience without the p cream and good experience with it. The only growth I've had is month 1 (and I had used p cream before starting BE) and this month (just measured 1/2 inch larger) using p cream second half of cycle. You are right that maybe I could lose the growth, but I have to try it out because nothing else is working. I'm still using my regular herbs and noticing growing pains shortly after taking them. It's worth a shot to me- it was either give up or try this. I don't want to be a AAA for life. I'll keep you updated.
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Post by HoneeBee on Oct 16, 2006 21:15:07 GMT -5
joyful there is nothing wrong with using the cream. if your routine was not working well before then its a great idea to see if it helps. and in your case it seems to be working. maybe at some point you can try and see if things work better without the cream its really up to you.
everyone here has their opinions so take it all in and do what you think is best.
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Post by velvetblasphemy on Oct 16, 2006 21:41:35 GMT -5
Joyful, I know I would do the same exact thing that you've been doing. I'm so happy for you that your seeing some growth! I hope it lasts! Have you noticed your filling out your bras better than before?
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Post by buffy on Oct 16, 2006 22:07:38 GMT -5
Joyful1, I AM doing what you're doing- and it's working  I'd be interested to know who has used progesterone in their cycle with negative results. I did a search and found no one who used it for the 2nd half of their cycle or more. |
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Post by Wahaika on Oct 17, 2006 1:11:15 GMT -5
Joyful1, Buffy,
I went round and round with a guy named Bob a long time ago about the effectiveness of herbs. He just didn't get it - that if something obviously works, but we don't know why, then we should attempt to understand it rather than trying to explain it away as a fluke.
At that time, I couldn't explain it but it was obvious that it worked. Pammy was an excellent and undeniable example at that time that herbs did work.
The same applies here with progesterone cream. If you have found a way to make progesterone cream work for you then stick with it! If you would, keep up your stats and routines pages for others in the future that have the same characteristics as you and want to try it. Keep detailed records so that someday soon, it can be understood why it worked and how to extrapolate a method that will work for all women. That is how all of this evolved in the first place.
I was wondering what would be the next quantum leap. I was thinking that it might be pumpkin seed oil as a user on Eve's board named Surf seems to have figured that one out. Maybe your usage of progesterone cream is the next step.
If what you're doing works, and yet goes against conventional wisdom, then conventional wisdom needs a tune-up. Nobody here has any claims on omniscience. Keep up the good work!!!
Just understand that the current understanding is that "
It directly supresses the storage of fats" and that any growth from it is not likely to be permanent. I'm not trying to discourage you. Just trying to keep in view of reality. Maybe you will stumble upon something that really works - so keep good notes just in case.
Wahaika
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Post by joyful1 on Oct 17, 2006 17:43:59 GMT -5
Thanks everyone, for your words of wisdom. I am hoping that the progesterone cream will even out some of my excess estrogen so that the herbs will work. For instance, if someone who naturally has more progesterone than me is growing, the amount they have isn't causing them to not store fat. So what I'm hoping is that the little bit I'm adding will simply even out my hormones so that the herbs work. I'm wondering, though, if someone uses too much progesterone, then it definitely could have a negative effect. I wish there was a one size fits all dosage of everything so we wouldn't be guessing. Velvetblasphemy, I bought a 34A bra the other day (I refuse to buy a training bra ) I really thought it would fit because it had a lot of padding. Nope. You know it's too big when you put on your shirt and you can push in and make a huge dent. I have a toddler who I still hold a lot and sometimes he pushes on my boob. I don't want other people to see the dent, so I'll be saving that bra for when I'm bigger. Buffy, Do you notice that the progesterone gives you headaches? I'm trying to figure out what it is, but I think that's what's giving me headaches. I don't know why that would be. |
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Post by buffy on Oct 17, 2006 18:29:19 GMT -5
I did have a headache yesterday. Weird! But it was mild and the only one I've had since I've been using Progesterone. I know I had several nasty ones the first time I tried BE.
I agree that we should do our best to track routines and progress. If we don't stumble onto something good, I figure there really isn't anything lost. I know I'm not so tired and cranky on this routine, and I actually have a sex drive. Oh yeah- and I don't smell like fenugreek.
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Post by velvetblasphemy on Oct 17, 2006 18:41:49 GMT -5
Aw, I hate when the dent thing happens... so embarassing. Don't worry, I'm sure you'll fit into your new bra soon enough!
How much cream are you guys using when you use it?
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Post by fawnmarie on Oct 17, 2006 19:22:32 GMT -5
As far as BE is concerned, I stand by the statement that any growth due to progesterone usage is temporary. I have seen no exceptions so far. As far as BE is concerned, my opinion is that the only use for it is to resensitize/clear estrogen receptors. You are the one who brought this knowledge to the board and I think that if correctly used it is very effective! So there we are. When I see women starting to use progesterone cream like it was an herb, for purposes of growth, I think that they are on the wrong track and that any growth that they may accidentally stumble upon will disappear as soon as they discontinue progesterone usage. As to the reason why this happens, you hit upon some of those. Well done. You're still my hero! cough! cough! hack! spit! Wahaika  What the heck was all THAT about! ROFLMAO! The survey results showed, for women progressing, an average of about 1/2" growth per month, while those NOT using it, or using it infrequently were showing an inch or more per month. Unfortunately we were unable to follow up with all that data in the future, which is really a shame, when the board was diverted from it's old home on MSN. Is Bob still around? Yeesh - no, the balance thing does NOT work at all. "Balance" equals is the natural growth and then dealth of the cells during the normal 28 day cycle. It's during times of INBALANCE when we grow. It's amazing how different things work differently for individuals. Since progesterone is relatively inexpensive and generally good for you, I see no harm in trying it. I've never lost the cup I gained from progesterone/homeopathic testosterone use, despite over two years and some weight loss. It's hard to predict. |
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Post by buffy on Oct 18, 2006 7:16:11 GMT -5
As far as I can tell, I'm still unbalanced (estrogen dominant,) so that doesn't throw that theory off at all...
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Post by joyful1 on Oct 18, 2006 9:00:33 GMT -5
I think I'm still estrogen dominant too. Buffy, are you using any herbs now?
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Post by buffy on Oct 18, 2006 10:12:06 GMT -5
Yes, I'm taking herbs. Since I make my own capsules, I don't know the weight. I'll have to bring them in to work and put them on a scale. The main herbs are fennel and saw palmetto, along with small amounts of wild yam, fenugreek, damiana, and dong quai (have those last 5 mixed in the same caps.) I was introducing the last 4 to see what would happen, but I think I'm just going to leave them at those small amounts for now.
I use size "00" capsules (the bigger ones) and I take 4 fennel 3x a day and 3 of the mixed herbs 3x. Also take fennel tea. Before anyone yells at me for taking so much fennel, smaller amounts did nothing. I'm also a bigger girl than most people on here-- over 5'10" and 135-140lbs. Saw palmetto is from Wal Mart and taken as directed- 3 caps 3x day.
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Post by 2hope on Nov 8, 2006 14:12:08 GMT -5
Hello everyone I am new on this board. I have been taking breast enlargement herbs 10 1/2 weeks now. I have been taking large amounts of saw palmetto, fenugreek, wild yam, fennel, blessed thistle... I started out with small amounts and been taking quite a bit now of liquid extracts and pills. What I have noticed is a huge increase in my libido, my blood sugar has evened out, I feel much more cuddly with my husband and my emotions are much more sensitive, my breast are sore and sensitive, but I have not had any growth. I have however taken progesterone cream before and I did have breast growth, but I never put the two together. I used the cream at the time to help me out with some horrible PMS. Now I am thinking the progesterone cream may indeed help with breast growth. I am going to start using this today and see what happens. I really appreciate reading about everybody elses efforts and results.
I am 34" under my breasts and 37 " across the nipples. I would also like to lose some weight and grow my breast a bit larger. I will continue with the herbs because they have such other wonderful benefits. I feel more womanly while taking them. Is anyone else taking the progesterone cream and if so, how are things going?
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Post by joyful1 on Nov 8, 2006 16:06:46 GMT -5
I have been much fuller ever since I've started taking the progesterone. However, I had one day where I was totally deflated. I'm losing hope that I'm having lasting growth. I think it may just be swelling like you get when you are on the pill.
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