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Post by pixiedust on Oct 9, 2006 5:49:14 GMT -5
I tried mirafem cream and some wild yam cream and hypnosis when i dowsed them....had no effect though
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Post by Wenonae on Oct 9, 2006 13:00:11 GMT -5
I tried mirafem cream and some wild yam cream and hypnosis when i dowsed them....had no effect though Those two items still are not progesterone cream. |
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Post by joyful1 on Oct 9, 2006 13:05:37 GMT -5
Wen,
I have a question at the bottom of p. 2 of this thread when you get a chance.
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Post by Wenonae on Oct 9, 2006 13:47:38 GMT -5
wenonae, I guess I misunderstood you. I thought you were saying that no one should use progesterone while doing BE. I am estrogen dominant and I think I have low progesterone. I've been using P cream this month along with my herbs- FG, SP, and WY. I have felt fuller this month than I have in the 6 months I've been doing this. Do you think the P cream could be helping me? I don't have any health problems, have PMS symptoms, am starting as a 34AAA (34A before breastfeeding), and have had no growth in 6 months, all the while tweaking my routine a bit here and there. Hiya Joyful- Yep, I missed this comment. Umm, mere fact that you have PMS, says to me you need progesterone to right the basic hormonal ratio for health. Since you're using herbs, you're increasing your estrogenic stuffs. Now you have progesterone, you should be getting sensations if not progress. I'd keep it up, maybe use it during luteal only to start out. Wen' |
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Post by pixiedust on Oct 11, 2006 2:47:28 GMT -5
I tried mirafem cream and some wild yam cream and hypnosis when i dowsed them....had no effect though Those two items still are not progesterone cream. How could i go about getting hold of some then? I've heard you dont use the cream on the breast area either |
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Post by Wenonae on Oct 11, 2006 19:23:09 GMT -5
Those two items still are not progesterone cream. How could i go about getting hold of some then? I've heard you dont use the cream on the breast area either Google USP progesterone cream for UK or go to your local pharm. No, don't put it on your breasts- only the thin-skinned areas of your body. |
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Post by joyful1 on Oct 12, 2006 12:51:58 GMT -5
I really think the Progesterone cream was what I needed. I have been full all month. I wish I would have measured myself across each boob because I think I would probably be seeing some growth this month. Do you know how great it is to not see my nipple sagging? I really wish I had the nerve to take pictures. You'd all really be cheering me on if you saw what I looked like from the beginning.  |
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Post by tashat on Oct 12, 2006 13:10:23 GMT -5
This is for wenonae, I need some help figuring out if i'm estrogen dominant?? I had a lot of swelling about 3-4 days before my period, which my period has just ended I think they have went down a little, but not badly and I think more and more I'm looking better in the size b cup bras, but it is so slow I cant believe I'm just barely growing I feel like I'm not doing something right, on top of that I feel like I've gained 10 lbs my clothes are all tight its scary to think of where I'll be when I finish these herbs.lol So I'm not sure if the weight gain is what is helping my boobs? I also felt like when I was taking flax seed oil and EPO that all my growing pains went away so I started over this last time and havent used those two herbs and I have felt like its helping, have you heard of this symptom? I know this is alot but I'm trying to figure this out. Thank you in advance for your advice.
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Post by Wenonae on Oct 12, 2006 17:38:18 GMT -5
I really think the Progesterone cream was what I needed. I have been full all month. I wish I would have measured myself across each boob because I think I would probably be seeing some growth this month. Do you know how great it is to not see my nipple sagging? I really wish I had the nerve to take pictures. You'd all really be cheering me on if you saw what I looked like from the beginning. Good going there ;D. I'd say you're on the right path for sure..Hee Wen' |
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Post by fawnmarie on Oct 14, 2006 15:51:10 GMT -5
I disagree with some of the statements made on this thread, but quite honestly it's far too overwhelmening to try it all in one go. You can buy progesterone cream here: astore.amazon.com/botanicalbeau-20Thanks, Fawn |
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Post by joyful1 on Oct 15, 2006 0:03:32 GMT -5
Fawn,
We'd love to hear your opinion if you ever feel like giving it.
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Post by fawnmarie on Oct 15, 2006 11:53:28 GMT -5
This guy doesn't actually provide any scientific backup to his statements, and some of them don't fit my own experience or the experience of those I've know. For example, many women find that their breast size increases during nursing, not pregnancy, when progesterone levels are lowest. Where does this leave us? |
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Post by fawnmarie on Oct 15, 2006 12:07:24 GMT -5
Progesterone cream has an interesting history on this board. In the days that this was hosted on MSN, it was extremely consistent that when women used progesterone cream it had disasterous effects on their growth. That's not exactly true, W. - what was found was that the women cycling progesterone had slower progress than those who did not use it. That's all that was found. There are reasons for using progesterone and reasons for NOT using it. For: It does stall the atrophy of glandular tissue which may add to firmness and shape. It does preserve health and mood in states of estrogen excess. It does alleviate the symptoms of PMS and sometimes menstrual cramping. Against: It directly supresses the production of prolactin. It directly competes with estrogen for most estrogen receptors. It directly supresses the storage of fats. The composition of the female breast in the premenopausal woman is constantly in flux. Estrogen stimulates the growth of certain breast cells as well as the fat cells surrounding the glands. Progesterone stimulates the growth of other types of breast tissue cells. The system is designed to be constantly alternating between the presence of each in a normal cycle that prepares for pregnancy. So, in fact, NONE of the growth is ever considered permanant, because the cells are in a natural cycle of growth and cell death every month under all non-medicated conditions in the normal female. The whole purpose of BE is to increase the amount of fatty tissue around the breasts, which would make one FIRST think of increasing estrogen. What I think it really boils down to is that the smaller you start out naturally, the less fat storage you probably have, and the longer it's going to take. This might be more of a metabolism issue than a hormonal issue. If you are thin and don't put weight on easily, it's naturally going to be harder for you to put on fat anywhere. If you are one of those women who have to work to keep their weight down, it's obvious it's going to go faster for you. Fawn |
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Post by fawnmarie on Oct 15, 2006 12:10:42 GMT -5
pixiedust, You are not stupid. I had more boxes checked in the progesterone test too. I used to think estrogen dominance meant you had a lot of estrogen but no progesterone. Now I think it just means that whatever level of estrogen you have whether large or small, your progesterone is less than that. I honestly am reluctant to trust that test to diagnosis such a thing. A blood test or a consultation with an endocrinologist would be much more reliable. |
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Post by Wahaika on Oct 16, 2006 11:09:14 GMT -5
Fawn, Correct! I should have been more specific. Sorry for any confusion. Here are my thoughts on progesterone cream: As far as BE is concerned, I stand by the statement that any growth due to progesterone usage is temporary. I have seen no exceptions so far. As far as BE is concerned, my opinion is that the only use for it is to resensitize/clear estrogen receptors. You are the one who brought this knowledge to the board and I think that if correctly used it is very effective! I do not agree that progesterone should be used in any other way for BE, such as usage from days 12-24 unless there is a specific need/condition that is being addressed such as PCOS or menopause symptoms. I do not agree (as Bob seemed to) that women must be in a state of "balance" and progesterone cream is the way to achieve it. I do agree with a survey that you once did that seemed to suggest that pubertorial misery is likely associated with conditions of growth. Conversations since then on the subject seem to confirm that idea. Well done. So there we are. When I see women starting to use progesterone cream like it was an herb, for purposes of growth, I think that they are on the wrong track and that any growth that they may accidentally stumble upon will disappear as soon as they discontinue progesterone usage. As to the reason why this happens, you hit upon some of those. Well done. You're still my hero! cough! cough! hack! spit! Wahaika  |
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