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Post by joyful1 on Sept 15, 2006 12:13:23 GMT -5
That's interesting Wahaika, especially this part: "Progesterone cream has an interesting history on this board. In the days that this was hosted on MSN, it was extremely consistent that when women used progesterone cream it had disasterous effects on their growth." That makes me wonder what kind of hormone balance those women had. If they already had a perfect balance of estrogen and progesterone, then adding more prog. would have a negative effect. I'd be really interested in hearing from the women on this board who have grown using herbs and what hormone balance they have. I had read that progesterone was more for the milk duct part of breasts and not the fat part. I am more wondering about using progesterone to balance my hormones while still using herbs, not just using it alone to grow. Maybe the herbs aren't working because I already have too much estrogen so I am stalling. Maybe if I use prog. cream the latter half of my cycle, it will balance things out enough so that the herbs start working. I'm now in my 7th cycle and no growth. I grew a fourth to a half inch the first month and then lost it. I'm noticing that I'm always fuller in the morning and wondering if I measured in the morning after the first month though. I had used P cream before I started Be for two weeks. I'm just not willing to have boobs like this the rest of my life. I already look like an 80 year old woman at 32- so sad. I guess I have all the time in the world to try try different things.
In my search about P cream yesterday, I came across so many conflicting things about herbs and cancer. Several articles said that if phyto's make you grow breast tissue, they will also increase your risk of growing cancer cells. Others said that phyto's decrease your risk of cancer. I want to know who's wrong....
Thanks for the link Jem.
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Post by buffy on Sept 15, 2006 17:01:24 GMT -5
joyful1,
I seem to be in the same position as you: estrogen dominant (and low estrogen, too). I bought progesterone cream several weeks ago for reasons other than BE, but when I decided this month to start taking fennel caps with it, I swelled a half inch and I'm getting more sensations. I'm going to stick it out a while and see if I get any growth out of it.
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Post by joyful1 on Sept 16, 2006 0:36:50 GMT -5
Buffy,
How often are you taking it? Luteal or follicular or both?
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Post by buffy on Sept 16, 2006 10:41:06 GMT -5
I did both this month, because I got it early in my cycle and was being impatient... From what I've read, women who are not post-menopausal should either take it in the luteal phase only, or give themselves a 5 day break when they get their period. I think I'm going to try the 5 day break.
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Post by joyful1 on Sept 16, 2006 17:20:13 GMT -5
Where do you apply it? I'm estrogen dominant and have excess estrogen, so I think the progesterone might help even things out. I'm so confused.
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Post by buffy on Sept 17, 2006 21:11:13 GMT -5
I've been alternating between inner thighs, stomach, inner writsts/arms, and neck/upper chest. I'm afraid to put it directly on my boobies.
I'm a little confused too (who isn't?), but it can't hurt to try, can it?
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Post by joyful1 on Sept 18, 2006 13:40:59 GMT -5
I've been putting it directly on my breasts and nothing has happened.
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Post by Wenonae on Oct 4, 2006 15:47:19 GMT -5
Yes, it's for growing the glands around which the fats are supported. Maybe you have another health issue which is preventing progress , maybe you don't have the right herbs to trigger your growh, or maybe your receptors are over-sensatived and aren't responding. Using progesterone cream won't help the receptors- however, a liver cleanse will help get rid of excess estreogen in your system allowing it to reset. If you have improperly involuted breasts or a genetic disposition towards cancer, adding estrogen sources will encourage cell multiplication which increases opportunity for multiplying mutated cells. Some phytos for some particular people actually help the body to fight. Depends on the person and the herb used. Also, putting progesterone directly on the breasts jeopordizes any fats you do have there to go away and certainly doesn't help fatty reproduction- in fact it does the opposite- discourages it. Wen'  |
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Post by pixiedust on Oct 5, 2006 3:08:01 GMT -5
I'm confused! I toook the test and it seemed to say that i was estrogen dominant but i had more boxes ticked in the progesterone test!
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Post by velvetblasphemy on Oct 5, 2006 7:47:29 GMT -5
How common is estrogen dominence for girls with no boobs? I mean, it sure seems like alot of us are dominant... I'm starting to wonder about the accuracy of the tests
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Post by pixiedust on Oct 6, 2006 3:41:26 GMT -5
Im so confused by it all  maybe i'm just stupid |
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Post by joyful1 on Oct 6, 2006 13:41:10 GMT -5
pixiedust,
You are not stupid. I had more boxes checked in the progesterone test too. I used to think estrogen dominance meant you had a lot of estrogen but no progesterone. Now I think it just means that whatever level of estrogen you have whether large or small, your progesterone is less than that.
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Post by Wenonae on Oct 8, 2006 16:58:33 GMT -5
pixiedust, You are not stupid. I had more boxes checked in the progesterone test too. I used to think estrogen dominance meant you had a lot of estrogen but no progesterone. Now I think it just means that whatever level of estrogen you have whether large or small, your progesterone is less than that. Joyful, I think you're right. In fact Pixie- when you were dowsing, you came up with needing progesterone, right? Why did you never try this or did you? Wen' |
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Post by Wenonae on Oct 8, 2006 17:03:01 GMT -5
Growing breasts is about the correct ratios of estrogen to progesterone AND health. My thinking is that if you test estrogen dominant, but you are sure your progesterone levels are fine (no PMS, etc.), then it's prolly something else that's not right in your health that's preventing growth.
If you test estrogen dominant, and you aren't sure about your progsterone levels or know they are prolly lower (you have PMS), then consider using progesterone cream the second half of your cycle Days 18-28+. If doing that doesn't get 'net results and you're sleeping well, then there's simply another issue.
No progress- add vitamin B complex, especially. If you have heartburn, other issues, and never had breasts, for example, you really may need to address it. Look at your health minutely.
The only caveat is that this all assumes you have the correct estrgenic sources or enough on your own. Progesterone source is just a good USP product.
Wen'
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Post by joyful1 on Oct 8, 2006 20:44:46 GMT -5
wenonae,
I guess I misunderstood you. I thought you were saying that no one should use progesterone while doing BE. I am estrogen dominant and I think I have low progesterone. I've been using P cream this month along with my herbs- FG, SP, and WY. I have felt fuller this month than I have in the 6 months I've been doing this. Do you think the P cream could be helping me? I don't have any health problems, have PMS symptoms, am starting as a 34AAA (34A before breastfeeding), and have had no growth in 6 months, all the while tweaking my routine a bit here and there.
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