FM's Routine II

[flatmama]

AF started yesterday. I took my first internal last night. Started with fenugreek 620mg. I will be adding 1 Saw palmetto tonight (575mg? i believe) and wild yam the night after that. I'll see what low doses of those three do for a couple of days and then add more if necessary. I will also be trying some fennel tea, although I'm not sure how well it'll work out. If I take more than one cap (450mg) of the fennel it gives me headaches, bad ones. Fingers crossed.....maybe I'll make a weak tea. I also take Flax seed oil, a multi vitamin, vit. c and should probably take a b complex. I'm going to the store today to buy borage oil, mostly for my massage.

I really hope the shrinking means I'm going to grow....although, according to my hubby, they are feeling 'fuller' again and more firm.

Also bought the Fengreek extract last night...not greenbush..just can't bring myself to buy anything online right now. Is it okay if I add a few drops of the Fenugreek extract to the massage mix I already have (Fennel Extract, EPO and EVOO)? I'll be mixing up a batch to steep of Fenugreek extract, Borage Oil and EVOO once I make it to the store for the Borage oil to use once the other stuff is gone.

[flatmama]

Added MSM to routine. I need some help with my joints and if MSM can help that and help growth, I'm all for giving it a try. I'm not sure about dose. Slowly bringing it up, see what my body can do. With all this exercise, my knees need some extra help, even though the weights help out with that too. Couldn't hurt!

[Wahaika]

Hello FM,

I remembered it wrong. It is not growth hormone, it is gonadotropin. Here are the articles that I was reading on this.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17671731

www.aphrodisiology.com/dandelion-estrogen-progesterone-fsh

www.find-health-articles.com/rec_pub_17671731-dandelion-t-1-extract-regulates-reproductive-hormone-receptor.htm

Wahaika

[flatmama]

Thanks Wahaika. Okay, so I'm not the brightest bulb out there, just want to make sure I understand exactly. So the dandelion extract helps create more hormone receptors and helps your body make more hormones? Sorry, sort of slow and trying to make sense of what I'm reading with "MOM!" screaming in the background.


Update:
Currently day 4 of cycle, AF still going. Breasts feel smaller and really empty. Could be a good thing. I'm taking internals now too along with massage.
Current doses:
Fenugreek: 620mg 1X day
Saw Palmetto: 580mg 1X day
Wild Yam: 400mg 1X day
Women's MultiVitamin
B-Complex
Vitamin C 500mg-100mg/Day
MSM-4g/day (trying that today anyways...no noticable problems with lower doses except maybe headaches and acne. Having sinus/allergies problems so not so sure the headaches are from MSM)

I'm having some major aches, tingles, itches and crawlies going on right now. My breasts feel very heavy too. I'm still not back on active hormone pills with the Yasmin yet so I will not be messing with my herb doses and just leave them there.

FM

[ShyBoobs]

Yay, FM! You seem to have a good program going! Good for you! I heard that having tingles/aches during mensus is a great sign and is preferrable to luteal aches. I also noticed you're taking vit C. I have read about that also being suggested to go along with herbal routines. melly007 (on Eve's site) had been on 2g of vit C daily but I think 1g should be enough. Hmm, I just may add that myself whenever I get the chance.

Keep it up!

[flatmama]

Hi ShyB.
Thanks. I actually usually start getting sensations about day 4 or 5 of my cycle, which always includes AF. I tend to keep having them up until about 4 or 5 days before AF so I don't know what that means.
I've always tried to take Vit. C just because I like how my body feels when I'm taking it. i might have to try to be more consistent with it and up it a bit . I have read Melly007's stuff on Eve's site....wow, amazing growth for her!


Side note: When I woke up this morning and looked in the mirror, it looked like I had more projection then I've had in this last week.....I wasn't going to measure but it was bugging me! I really wanted to make sure it wasn't in my head. Well, I'm back up to where I was. I measured when I was smaller, I had dropped below 33", so a little over 1/2" lost along with 5lbs. Didn't mind the 5 lbs but the size lost was horrible. However, today, like I said, they looked bigger again and had to measure. I'm back up and slightly over 33 1/2" on the fullest. I hope that keeps increasing over the next week and a half. Official measure is on the 14th. *Fingers crossed*

[flatmama]

I'm able to take 6g's of MSM without any major problems.....minor headaches (maybe, allergy medicine seems to make it happen less) and no real stomach problems. Not noticing much of a difference yet but I know it takes at least a couple of weeks. I'm also up to 2 fenugreek pills, 2 SP, and 2 WY each day. Still trying to take 2000mg of Flaxseed/day and vitamins. Haven't been great at massage but still trying. Have noticed that my blood pressure is rising. It started to before starting herbs. I hope it doesn't keep going up or I might have to get off the Yasmin. Wouldn't that just be my luck! Finally find a bcp that works decent for me and i can't take it anymore! Fingers crossed it's just temporary!

[flatmama]

My breasts look funny, weird shaped, not so round right now, and very small.

I added some Fenugreek extract to the fennel, epo, EVOO mixture. I swear every time I use it my breasts feel smaller the next day instead of fuller. Should it be that way?

I mixed up some Fenugreek extract, borage oil and EVOO to use when I'm done with this but if adding Fenugreek extract to the massage just keeps making me flatter, I don't know if I want to use it.

I'm not sure if my current doses are too high or too low right now. I hardly get sensations when I was getting them quite often on just the Yasmin. So do you think I've stalled? I'm feeling sensations now but haven't taken my herbs for today. I'm thinking of skipping today, it's about mid-cycle anyways.

Other than that, just thinking of upping MSM to 8g's a day. No problems with 6g. No more headaches, no more acne...just doing good. I'm not sure if it's really helping my joints out yet. They feel different but not necessarily in a good or bad way yet.

That's it for now. Please help!

[ShyBoobs]

Hi FM,

So you're ramping up to 8g of MSM? I tried to, but I just couldn't keep taking so many everyday. Anyhow, do you do a liver cleanse monthly? IDK, everyone is different but it could be beneficial to do one during AF so the receptors will be ready to go for when estrogen starts to rise again after menses? At least week is best.

I think I stopped growing much when I didn't do a cleanse for an entire week like I had been. I was only going for 3 days or not at all. Just my experience.

[flatmama]

Hey ShyB!
yeah, I'm working on ramping to 8g of MSM. I took 7g today no problems, just slight headache, more from dehydration I think. I also didn't take any internals today, just the Yasmin and I've had a lot more sensations today, so i think I'm going to drop the internals.

I don't do a monthly liver cleanse. Might be a good idea. What do you do for your cleanse? I'll give it a try next AF.

[ShyBoobs]

I use milk thistle xtra formula. It has dandelion, licorice and fennel in addition to milk thistle. I'm not sure about fennel, but I know dandelion and licorice are also helpful for the liver. But generally milk thistle is what's used when going on a cleanse.

[flatmama]

Think I'll give that a try next AF. Can't hurt right?

Since stopping internals herbs I've had more and more sensations, so I think that's a good thing I stopped. They seem a bit fuller but nothing amazing. I still need to be better about massage and such. I keep falling asleep! I should just do it earlier than bedtime! Still on 7g of MSM, going to do it for a couple more days then up it to 8g. I don't mind taking all the pills, as long as it works. Also am taking 500mg of Borage oil at night right now....going to see how my body likes it. I hope I can find something that works out. I'd really like some very noticable growth by august. It's our anniversary and it would be just a great time! Might try massage morning and night. We'll see if I can at least get it in every night. *sigh* just exhuasted!

[flatmama]

I bought some gelatin today. I'm not sure how much to take but the bottle mentions like 8 pills/day...wow. No way, the MSM is enough I'm going to experiment with it a bit. I tried it this morning after I bought it.

I don't know if it was the gelatin or stopping the internals but wow! on the sensations and soreness today. I felt like my skin was crawling, itchy and aches along with my bra feeling tight. We'll see.

[flatmama]

I'm on day 19 of my cycle now. The sensations are starting to slow down a lot. This is to be expected, they always die down (but never completely go away) after about day 16-17 until about day 3 of AF. I believe this is a good thing.

I took the MSM back down to 6g a day. 8g was a bit more than my stomach could handle, at least right now. I'm taking 4 caps a day of the Gelatin right now. If I took more right now I wouldn't be able to tell if it was hurting or not because of the minimal sensations. I'll try increasing at next cycle. I'm also thinking of upping my Borage oil amount too.

I haven't been go great at taking my multivitamin and such lately. I think it's causing me problems. Several times I have woke up with a charly horse....painful cramps in my calf muscle. Last night it felt like the knot from the cramp was the size of a baseball and my calf is super soar today because of it. You'd swear I got hit with a baseball! Ouch! It's the same leg I had them in when I was pregnant...it always just the one.....what a pain. Literally! Enough complaining!

Wahaika, would adding the dandelion root extract to my boobie batter be okay? instead of taking it internally.

On a side note: I think the MSM is helping out my knees too! We went on a bike ride, over 7 miles, I was pulling the bike trailer with my little girl in it, hills and all....and I only had minimal knee pain, like really minimal toward the end of the ride and it went away quickly after we were done! I haven't tried running for a long distance on them yet. That would be a good test. I'll have to try it tonight!

[Wahaika]

I don't know what effect adding dandelion root extract to boobie batter would have. You could try it and see, but the research was done as an internal.