Yohimburn ?

[flatmama]

I think it recommends 20-30 minutes before workouts so that it has time to absorb in before you sweat it off. I'm not sure how long it takes.
I do understand what you are saying about the correlation between sensations and herbs. I'm going to pay more attention to when I take herbs and whether or not there's sensations after I use the Lipo. I usually end up getting sensations 15-30 minutes after taking herbs but I guess somedays that could be slower.

I think I will end up drinking a protein drink if I use this at night before bed, since I have low sugar in the morning anyways.

It does seem though, that if your body was primed to accept fat in the breast area then the extra fat not used with exercise or whatever would migrate there. I know the woman in the forum was loaded up with phytoestrogens and the 2nd women who mentioned the same side effect wasn't eating like the first but was still using the sesathin (I think that's what it was called, I'd have to go back and read it) which I looked up and also contains phytoestrogens. She obviously had less then the first women which might be why her size change happened over a number of weeks instead of just days like the first woman's.
Curious stuff.

Wahaika, I look forward to reading your thoughts on all this also if you read this thread.

FM

[serene]

I went to the lipoderm site and did a live chat with a rep. She said she had never heard of this happening before. I haven't seen anything else yet about this. My 2 year old is napping so I'm going to do some more searching.
serene

[flatmama]

I wonder if it happens but isn't reported. I probably wouldn't be calling them up complaining if i got a flatter stomach but a bigger chest. From all the stuff I've been able to find this seems to be used more among the male body builders. I haven't found a lot of stuff from women using it outside of here. I'm going to keep looking when I can.

[serene]

Good point, I know I wouldn't complain. I might write them a thank you though...
serene

[serene]

Here is a little tidbit about fat redistribution:

www.goendurance.com/?products_id=105

Q: How should LipoDerm-Y be taken?

A:

Lipoderm-Y should be taken two times per day with 12 hours separating application times.


Lipoderm-Y should be used at least 2 hours before any activities in which one will sweat or expose the skin to significant amounts of water, due to the risk of the product washing off before it firmly binds with the skin.


Apply to one large area at a time, or several small areas at a time. The dieter can only utilize so many of the stored calories being released via LipoDerm; if an excess is released, those calories will not be burned but simply redeposited. *An example of a “large” area is the thighs/hips/buttocks or the abs/lower-back/obliques (or any combination thereof).

There is more information on the link. I will post more links if I find anything interesting.
serene

[flatmama]

Thanks Serene!
I still haven't had much luck...not much time either

[mango84]

Hi FlatMama,

I'm not sure how much of the increase I maintained, if any. Perhaps it was just water retention. I was going to wait and not use Yohimburn again until I got my herb dosage figured out...but the cellulite monsters noticed that Yohimburn was on vacation and decided to set up residence and have a party. Can't let that happen, so I'm back to using it!

One thing about the side effects...Yohimburn is more concentrated than Lipoderm.

Here's a link to a discussion on men using Fenugreek...had you seen this? I think you or Serene had mentioned something about why men would use it...

www.mindandmuscle.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=25492

[serene]

mango84,
Wow! that's the same thread I had read!

Had you noticed any increase in sensations when you had been using Yohimburn before?

Thanks!
serene

[mango84]

Hi Serene,

I had a huge increase in sensations for about four days, and my breasts swelled up too. I had felt really tired, so thinking it was my herb dose, I decreased that and a few days later is when I had the increased pain and swelling. So, I thought it was because I had stalled. But I know now that the tiredness was from the Yohimburn. Still not sure whether the increased sensations were from the Yohimburn or from stalling and then going to the correct dosage on the way down. I have been going back up on the dosage a drop or two at a time but haven't reached that point of really strong pains like it did before. It is looking more and more like it was the Yohimburn, but can't say for sure yet. It would correlate with what happened to that other lady because I was using too much (at least for me) and she was using a good bit too...more than the amount that others said they were using. If it was the Yohimburn, I might not experience it again, since I will be very careful to use it sparingly to avoid the fatigue it gives me.

[flatmama]

Wow Mango thanks.
I had just found that thead right before you posted it. Thanks.
I've been having much stronger sensations for the last couple of days also, shortly after I started the Lipoderm. I'm actually starting to have more pain and heaviness. I haven't changed my herb dosage though. I still don't know if it's the timing or the lipoderm. With the concentration being stronger for the Yohimburn you still might experience the increased sensations again even at the lower dose. I really look forward to seeing if this correlation happens with you again! Thanks for keeping us informed!!

FM

[serene]

She said she had used it on her breasts... hmmm, not entirely sure what to think of that.

serene

[flatmama]

She must have been crazy is all I can think. The other woman didn't mention putting it on her breasts though. I wouldn't even dare do that....although I have applied it to my armpit fatty area a few times and it's working great there. Still alot of aches in the breasts using it though.

[flatmama]

I wonder if this idea would work....using the lipoderm or yohimburn followed by skin brushing to help 'direct' where the released fat will be redistributed. Skin brushing seems to work on stuff like the armpit fat and the cellulite, just wondering if maybe it would work better combined with the lipoderm. Just a theory...any ideas or thoughts?

I've also considered the possible use of the 'body contouring' garments that cover the thighs, hips and abs to possibly restrict the body and the redistribution of fat to those areas, forcing the fat to redistribute to other places like the breasts.
I know this theory worked after my first child when I wore really tight pants (mostly to hold my hips in) and ended up with the fat distributing over the waist of the pants, onto my love-handles, which I had never really had before. My hips didn't keep any of the extra fat, and I have a perfectly flat stomach on my lower abs and can see my hip bones... My hips went right back to their normal size in 2 months...no where else did however..I really shouldn't have worn hip-huggers for that. I was going to test this theory after my 2nd child,(hoping to reverse what I had done) wearing a body cotouring garment on my waist but didn't get a good one that held me as tight as I needed it to and was very uncomfortable. Most likely I didn't get one small enough. I didn't get as big as I suspected.
Just my crazy thoughts.....

[serene]

Mango84,

Were you using any other supplements when you had the initial pain and swelling? (other than BE stuff)

The first woman was using Lipoderm, Sesathin, Leptigen Rebirth, Adderall sounds like she only used progesterone cream temporarily. She said she's also high cortisol, and low estrogen. Perhaps thats a big part of why she grew. By using the Lipoderm, adding lot's of Phytoestrogens, exercise (stimulating growth hormone), using the sesathin, and that she generally gains in the arms and breasts first. Perhaps if someone fit the same profile she did it might work for them.
However, the 2nd lady said she was an hourglass before, (which is what I'd always been-now I have this belly). She was also using Sesathin and Lipoderm, and she says now she gains in the arms and breasts first.
So maybe if you gain in the arms and breasts first it might be something to try.

I seem to be gaining in the belly and rear, so I'm taking a break from Lipoderm for a bit. It did help in reducing the Kangaroo pouch that I've developed, not a ll the way, but it does look better. I'm not swearing it off completly, but just for right now.

serene

[mango84]

No, just the BE herbs.