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Post by Moderator on Nov 12, 2003 19:44:38 GMT -5
From: MizzCharlie (Original Message) Sent: 8/3/2003 11:31 PM
According to the hormone test I have excess estrogen and am estrogen dominant. One of the solutions is to stop taking birth control, which is NOT an option for me. Am I supposed to balance it out with progesterone? But my main question is: isn't excess estrogen good for BE purposes? So why aren't my breasts shooting out? I am confused..... Charlie.
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Post by Moderator on Nov 12, 2003 20:38:49 GMT -5
From: Mominator5 Sent: 8/3/2003 11:46 PM
Hi Charlie, Since you are on BCP's you are also progesterone high, due to BCP being progesterin based. Which is prolly cancelling your estrogen dominance. Wen is having the same problem. And Red Clover is not an option for you. Damiana may be an option for you to help block the excess progesterone, since stopping BCP is also not an option. Bust of Luck and high estrogen is good for boobies! Momi'
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Post by Moderator on Nov 12, 2003 20:39:18 GMT -5
From: Wenonae_ Sent: 8/4/2003 12:01 PM
Charlie, I second what Momi says, and also would like to caution that, based on my experience (I'm also estrogen-dominent), that it doesn't behoove one to take the 'high' doses of estrogen as the receptors seem to 'max' out and shortly thereafterwards, boobage lose ensues. This week I'll be starting oregano as my progesterone-blocker. I intend to take lower dose during follicular and cycle up even higher during luteal. I'll be on another type birth control- Lunelle (med estro, low prog) instead of Depo (all prog.) starting Sept...and ironically, it lists as a side effect breast enlargement...so there must be something to the higher estrogen, low progesterone thing. Just to let you know, I really wondered the very same thing Charlie...so it MUST be the progesterone that's in our system keeping our boobies slim. Fawn's recommened 2400mg of damiana during luteal for the majority, however, it just may help to take a smaller 800mg dose during your follicular phase also.....just thoughts.
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Post by Moderator on Nov 12, 2003 20:50:34 GMT -5
From: MizzCharlie Sent: 8/4/2003 8:16 PM
Hey Momi & Wen, Thank you for your answers. I'm already taking 2300mg of damiana everyday, so I guess I'm already doing the 'right thing'. Is is really important to cycle? And Wen, why did you choose oregano over damiana? Charlie.
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Post by Moderator on Nov 12, 2003 20:50:51 GMT -5
From: MizzCharlie Sent: 8/4/2003 8:24 PM
BTW, what kind of routine are you following at the moment Wen? I know that you're on BO and that you plan on taking oregano, but what else do you do? Sorry if the info is already somewhere on the board, but I couldn't find it.... Charlie.
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Post by Moderator on Nov 12, 2003 20:51:15 GMT -5
From: Wenonae_ Sent: 8/4/2003 8:48 PM
Hey Charlie. No prob about asking. Doing 1800mg BO, 2g Flax (until out), 1g MSM, 1g Vit C, and 4.1g SP berries. Soon to be titrating 400mg doses of oregano caps. I massage w/ baby oil for now, however, extracts for booby batter should arrive by tomorrow. I have damiana caps as back up to try if nothing over the next two months. New booby batter using extracts of- fenugreek (Puritan.com), hops(vitacost.com),RC blossoums(vitacost.com), and emu oil (already had). I'll also be on Lunelle starting Sept, 2003...so I'll either REALLY grow in next couple of months or never!! Hope that helps!
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Post by Moderator on Nov 12, 2003 20:52:15 GMT -5
From: Wenonae_ Sent: 8/4/2003 8:56 PM
O, I chose oregano..as I didn't want to affect my libido as perhaps the damiana could. BF doesn't know...and don't want any reason for him to become suspect that I'm taking 'something'. The less questions, the better.
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Post by Moderator on Nov 12, 2003 20:53:04 GMT -5
From: Wenonae_ Sent: 8/4/2003 8:57 PM
Finally, One may consider 'cycling' if you still lose size during luteal, Days 14-end of cycle. My last two cents!
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Post by Moderator on Nov 12, 2003 20:53:29 GMT -5
From: anita22179 Sent: 8/5/2003 7:15 AM
hi wen, can you tell me why you are adding hops in your massage and what dose of red clover you want to use topically? and when you added SP topically, you noticed shrinkage!?gosh!! i am low on oestrogen but very very low on progesterone which makes mr oestrogen dominant in spite of low oestrogen, so i wonder why i didnt grow! and while you were on your previous regime, i.e the one you posted here, did you see any growth? if so, how much and low long did it take you? thanks, anita
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Post by Moderator on Nov 12, 2003 20:54:47 GMT -5
From: Wenonae_ Sent: 8/5/2003 12:34 PM
Anita, I'm using all extracts for my massage. Dosage for most is 1-2 full dropperfuls 3X's a day. However, I'm not going by dosages to make my batter, I'm just going to mix about 3 dropperfuls a piece and a dollop of food grade aloe vera to get some consistacy. I'm using phyto-estrogens directly on the site to help stimulate growth...this includes hops, common in European NBE herbals and also researched a verified by Fawn. My guess for why you haven't grown (you're like Momi's case), you still need a certain level of estrogen to store fats in breast receptors. What's the regime that you've followed to date? I think you ladies are even the same body type . Why not try the Greenbush caps, RC blossums, and damiana during luteal with good massages? Momi' didn't grow until she started serious estrogen introduction into her system...and her first 'growth' product was HBA with damiana. I'm in a little stall which I'm hoping to break, however, despite really high levels of progesterone in my system, I grew 2.25" in 3 mos. Up and down these past 3. Now, hoping to go into home strech by blocking the progesterone in my receptors and getting off Depo. Going for another 2 inches. Here's to use both!
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Post by Moderator on Nov 12, 2003 20:55:09 GMT -5
From: Mominator5 Sent: 8/5/2003 1:50 PM
Hi Anita, You might want to check my routine. Your results are very similar to mine. Although these things I knew before taking the quiz, so I had adjusted my routine months ago. As soon as I did, boom, starting growing again. What is your body type? What is your current routine? Let's see if we can tweak it a bit! I did have a lot of success on HBA, but I did stall for 4 months. As soon as I changed upped my herbs and knew exactly how much of everything I was taking, I sprouted. When I stalled I was stuck at 3" of growth, now I am 5, in 3 months, but with a LOT of filling on the tops (which is growth also). HBA had red clover in it also, which the more I look, the more I think is what caused the growth. I only put in my current routine to stop the fenugreek side effects! Hope to hear from you soon! Let's check that routine...see what might work! Momi'
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Post by Moderator on Nov 12, 2003 20:55:49 GMT -5
From: ChicagoCharky Sent: 8/5/2003 9:27 PM
Okay, let's see if this works. Don't know if my last message posted, so sorry if you see this twice!!
Hi gals -
I'm new to the board (hi Wen!) and have been taking BO for about 6 weeks, doing the 50g protein daily, just started SP berries about a week ago (per Wen's advice) and just stopped taking my hi-progesterone BCPs (Loestrin) a week ago (plan on switching to slightly higher-estro pill after a couple months break). Well, in the last 3 days, I grew about half an inch, and this is after my period has just ended, so I think all the post-mens shrinkage is done. So far have grown about 2+ inches since starting WB BO.
I have a couple questions. Earlier in the discussion, I noticed Momi saying something about red clover not good for some. Sorry for the newbie ignorance, but why is that? Also, Wen, did you really see shrinkage after applying sp berries topically? I just bought some liquid sp berry for a booby batter (w/ red clover and flax). hmmm...
Also, how much is too much phyto-estros? I keep seeing stuff here and there about them inhibiting estro in breast receptors. Afraid to start my new batter...
Sorry if these are all old questions... !!
Thanks all, CC
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Post by Moderator on Nov 12, 2003 20:56:10 GMT -5
From: MizzCharlie Sent: 8/5/2003 9:46 PM
Hey, I was wondering, what is the dosage of a high progesterone or high estrogen BCP? I'm currently on Ortho-Tricyclen where the dosages vary every week as follows: Week 1: 0.180 mg of the progestational compound, norgestimate and 0.035 mg of the estrogenic compound, ethinyl estradiol Week 2: 0.215 mg of the progestational compound norgestimate and 0.035 mg of the estrogenic compound, ethinyl estradiol Week 3: 0.250 mg of the progestational compound norgestimate and 0.035 mg of the estrogenic compound, ethinyl estradiol Is this good or is this bad, does anyone know? (if no-one does, no need to answer, I was just wondering...) BTW, thanks for your info Wen. It's nice to compare with someone that is doing something similar to myself. Do you really massage 3x a day? Wow, I barely have time to massage once a day for 10-15min and apply heat for 15 min. Charlie.
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Post by Moderator on Nov 12, 2003 20:56:36 GMT -5
From: Mominator5 Sent: 8/5/2003 10:18 PM
Hi CC, Yep, me said (from Fawn's vast information) not to take Red Clover if you are on BO. Also with BO you should not be taking any phyto-estrogens. Phyto-estrogens are plants that have similar qualities to estrogen, but not ACTUAL estrogen. I am not a BO expert, other's can answer those questions. You can read more about it on the "herbs" page on the left! Lots of information over there! CONGRATULATIONS on the GROWTH! WOW! Very impressive! I would definately not even consider changing anything. If it ain't broke...don't fix it! Welcome to the board! And HAPPY Continued GROWING! Momi'
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Post by Moderator on Nov 12, 2003 20:57:13 GMT -5
From: Mominator5 Sent: 8/5/2003 10:22 PM
Hey Charlie, Hint...you do not have to massage for that long every day. I massage 3 x daily, as long as boobie batter is absorbed...I am good to go! I apply heat when I have time, not everyday but as much as possible. Bust of Luck, Momi'
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