Joyful1's Routine

[joyful1]

Peachy, I was thinking I was orignally 32", but when I looked back, I was 32 1/2". There must just be some swelling at different times. Later when I looked, I didn't notice that I looked bigger. I suppose I could have grown a tiny bit- that must be why they tell you not to measure very often. I'll wait until day 5 of my next cycle to measure again. I am not using the enhancement blend. Because I am so small to begin with, I am using individual herbs internally and externally so that I could ramp up at the beginning- FG, SP, WY, and EPO and WY and FG for massage. Annie, I am not using Borage Oil. I don't know what it is or what it's used for. Do you? I got the impression that we should use either EPO or Borage. Maybe I'm wrong. Joy

[Peachy]

Hi Joyful1,

Thanks for the reply. I think in Madredesiete's routine Wahaika talks about using both EPO and Borage Oil capsules. Currently I am using only the Borage Oil (just b/c I'm lazy and haven't gone out to buy the EPO. . . plus it's just one more pill, ya know?). I do think that when I added that on to my routine I felt my breasts were a little fuller - still no real growth, though. What do we have to do to grow. . . ?

Anyway, good luck. Hope your next meaurement shows progress.

Peachy

[joyful1]

I feel the same way. I don't want to add another pill either. At night, I take 5 different things. Seems like a lot. Good luck.

[Wahaika]

Joyful1,

Yep, if you rattle when you walk then it's just about right.

EPO and Borage are different except for the GLA that is in both. Borage oil is about 23% GLA while EPO is only about 8%. But EPO has other thinkgs in it that Borage does not have.

Wahaika

[Wahaika]

Peachy,

>>"What do we have to do to grow. . . ?"

I'll reply in your routines thread.

Wahaika

[annie]

hi joy i tired to answer to your post about liver cleasnse. how you doing? hope you are doing well. As for me nothing new just that my boob s are very sensitive and a little pain now and then.

Good Luck.

[joyful1]

I'm still going. No pains. I'm wondering if I should ramp back down since I felt pains when I took 1 WY a day. What do you think?

[Wahaika]

From another thread:

"I started my routine 3 weeks ago. I am taking 1 of each 3X a day: FG, SP, WY, EPO. The are all 575mg. I ramped up to this routine. I also massage with WY in am and FG in pm with heat. I haven't really felt much yet, which I know is normal, but how do I know when I should start ramping up further? The only time I felt a little achey was when I was first ramping up. It was a day when I took 1 FG 3X, 1 SP 3X, and 1 WY in am. Should I wait another month or two? or should I have kept only taking 1 WY a day (I continued to ramp it up so now I take 1 WY 3X a day). I am a 34AAA."

Since you are a 34AAA you don't have a large number of cells & estrogen receptors to start with, so you have to ramp up to small dosages until you get some growth to build on.

"The only time I felt a little achey was when I was first ramping up. It was a day when I took 1 FG 3X, 1 SP 3X, and 1 WY in am. "

This is what you should have remained at. "A little achey" might be the sign of growing for you. I would say ramp down and then at the start of the next cycle ramp back up to these dosages, or whatever gives you growing pains, and stick with that for a few months.

Are you massaging with WY and FG as extracts or powdered herbs? If powdered, then you need to steep them out into a carrier oil first. I would also recommend that you use aloe vera gel and/or a drop of DMSO just before the heat. If you use DMSO, observe all the precautionary practices such as making sure the surface is clean before you start putting on massage stuff.

You might also consider using Red Clover extract rather than WY for the massage.

Wahaika

[annie]

hi joy i think you should go back to where you felt pains . i'm gonna do the ame also. last night i just felt like taking only 1 Sp and i did just that today i skip wild yam and i'm feeling a little pain again.
hope you feel some pain when you ramp back down.

Take Care

[annie]

hi joy i think you should go back to where you felt pains . i'm gonna do the ame also. last night i just felt like taking only 1 Sp and i did just that today i skip wild yam and i'm feeling a little pain again.
hope you feel some pain when you ramp back down.

Take Care

[joyful1]

Wahaika,
Should I ramp down to 1 FG 3X, 1 SP 3X, and 1 WY 1X? Do you think the extra WY I ramped to was too much estrogen? Or should I ramp down the others too? I use WY extract for massage. But I use Fenugreek powder at night steeped in olive oil for at least a week. What is DMSO? What does it do? Also, I thought you usually don't recommend RC. Why do you think it would be good for me? Thanks for being a wealth of info. Sorry for the million questions. I appreciate your last response.

Annie,
Thanks for your response. I'm glad you're feeling pains.

[Michelle]

good luck on your routine joyful!

I might not be the best person to ask, but I think it might be a good idea to ramp down slowly just like how you ramp up slowly. That is, take one less of each herb and wait a couple of days after each reduction to see if anything happens. That's just a suggestion =) What do you think, Wahaika?

"Annie, Thanks for your response. I'm glad you're feeling pains"
hehe I just wanted to comment that in any other context, that would sound crazy. Only in NBE do we wish that we would feel the pain!

[annie]

joy i think wahaika meant for you to go back where you frist felt pains. The above that you mentioned, 1fg3x, 1sp3x and 1 wy 1x. thats what i'm did since yesterday and start feeling pains again. i'm only taking 1 wy in am, just drop the other 2 doses of wy an see what happens. hope you get what i'm saying. or you could read over back wahaika post where he says "that's where you should have remain when you start feeling pains".

About the red clover it's the extract he's talking about for massage, i've read other post where he says it's better for massage and not internally.

hope everything goe well.

Take Care.

p.s. I'm not quite sure what DMSO is.

[annie]

Hi michelle, it does sound crazy only in NBE. LOL.

take care

[Wahaika]

Hello Joyful1,

DMSO:
DMSO penetrates all human tissues. But, using the principle of resistance, by applying one or two drops and spreading it widely you can get the herbs down deep but not so fast that they go straight to the bloodstream without doing any good.

You may have to order it online. In the U.S. it is usually purchased at health food stores.

www.ihealthtree.com/dmso-liquid-99-9--unfragranced-plast8oz.html

You have to wash and rinse BEFORE you use it. See this link and follow the links in the messages:

beboard.proboards107.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=1109989317&page=1

Here too:
beboard.proboards107.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=1107552311

and here:
beboard.proboards107.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=1109989317&page=1

The reason for ramping down is to start to feel pains again, but if you are past mid cycle, your natural estrogen levels are dropping fast. So the amount that you would start to feel pains at could be higher than in the follicular phase of your cycle when estrogen is rising and is generally higher. So,

option 1:
Ramp down to zero and take notice of what dosages your pains return at on the way. Starting on Day 2 of your cycle (skip everything on day 1) begin the ramp back up from zero to where you feel pains again, hopefully at the same dosages that you felt them at before, but maybe not. Once you feel pains, remain at that dosage until you start growing. Adjust as necessary to keep the growing pains always present.

option 2:
Same as option 1 but not ramping down to zero, just to where you start feeling growing pains again. Continue to adjust to keep the growing pains.

Your call as to which one to use.

Wahaika