Greenbush Ramp-Up

[quirkygirl]

Thanks, Wahaika. Your advice was great!

As for irregular cycles--yeah, my doc is aware, and I've had a complete exam. There's nothing going on except that my body apparently doesn't like schedules! I was on BC for a while to try to regulate them, but it's expensive and I stopped taking it because that was the only reason to be taking it.

I'll have to see if BE helps, it'd be worth it just for that! I'll have to see--I'm going to try to go get some herbs tomorrow. *crosses fingers*

[sarah80]

I have been doing BE for 6 months without results - I think I have been taking waaaaay too much (fenugreek, wild yam, sp, and sometimes black cohosh, fennel, without thinking about what I took). Now, I want to get started with Madredesiete's Routine after a 3-week pause.

Please let me know what you think about my plan!

I am 25, never brestfed, am a full A or pretty small B, 5'8, 127 pounds, very slender built. I have a history of irregular periods (got my first period really late), PCO, and am on an anti-androgenerc birth-control-pill.

I will start on the first day of my period with 1x500 mg Fenugreek, 3xFlaxseed and 3XEPO, and then ramp up as you describe with SP and WY. I will also do the massage with dmso and teas.
Can you tell me what the best ramp-up rate would be for my body type with the different herbs? (ie how fast should i ramp up, and what level should i end at?)

I usually also take fish oil. Is that a bad idea?
You write somewhere that one should also take borage oil internally. Is that correct?

Thank you!

[Wahaika]

Hello Sarah80,

>"Can you tell me what the best ramp-up rate would be for my body type with the different herbs? (ie how fast should i ramp up, and what level should i end at?)"

First, a few questions:

Which anti-androgenerc birth-control-pill pill are you on? What is it called? And what effect does it have on you. That is, does it wipe out your cycle or still allow it?

PCO = Polycystic Ovaries?

What band size? Width measurements are very helpful too. As is height along with everything else you included. A stats page is good for keeping stuff like this.

Fish oil is OK as is protein powder, particularly if you are exercising. Flax seed oil (not the one with high lignands) works well also.

Borage oil internally - One gram at bedtime with herbs.

Borage oil externally - used with/as a carrier for the herbs in massage.


Wahaika

[sarah80]

I am on a pill with 2mg CPA, 35 ug EE2 (diane mite). It is a regular birth control pill with a 21-day pill cycle, and regular periods in between. Yes, I have polycystic ovaries

Height: 5 feet, 8, or 172 cm. Weight: I discovered that I weigh more than I thought: 132 pounds

I usually use a 34a or 34b cup. Am not sure about my exact measurements, but I have a normal-built slender frame.

I don't exercise a whole lot, but I walk to work every day.

Hope you can help me more on my best start-up method now :-)

Thanks alot!
Sarah

[Wahaika]

Sarah80,

Is this what you are taking:
www.remedyfind.com/treatments/77/2135/

Diane-35 and Yasmin both have good track records for NBE. I am always extremely leery about any hormone with ethyl or methyl attached to it. I think that if you stay on that stuff for too many years (like 5) the chances for cancer go way up. Watch out.

That said, Start on cycle day 1.

Ramp up as it says in Madredesiete's routine. Use Greenbush extracts preferably. Also take a good multivitamin that contains a good B Complex and zinc (like 30mg).

Take your herbs on an empty stomach. Take a gram of borage oil at bedtime with the last dosage. Don't forget the fennel tea.
Massage: use Greenbush fenugreek extract with borage oil and some olive oil. Work it into the skinlayer for about 5 minutes then follow with aloe vera gel and then 15 to 20 minutes under a heated pad. Leave it on all night if possible.

Ramp up on the herbs as shown in the table in madredesiete's routine. When you start feeling deep aches/itches then you are at a good optimal dosage. Cease the ramp up and maintain those dosages. Use 3000 mg per day as a maximum for fenugreek and fennel. You may have to adjust things up and down a bit but as a general rule, just keep to the dosages and don't worry about feeling growing pains in the luteal phase. Stay away from black cohosh. That is really more for menopausal age women, and only in specific cases.

Skip all herbs and massage on cycle day 1 and mid cycle day.

Start a routines page.

Good luck!

Wahaika

[sarah80]

Hi Wahaika!

Thank you so much for all the great tips.

Yes, that is the birthcontrol I am on. I will be starting my routine today with the teas, massage, 3x flax and epo + 1xfenugreek!

You wrote "Use 3000 mg per day as a maximum for fenugreek and fennel". Are fennel pills allowed too, or only as tea? (I have some pills lying around from my last try).

Should the DMSO be added to the massage oil? If not, at what stage should it be added? before aloe vera?

[sarah80]

Oh! One more thing! I am using pills to make the massage oil. I take the fenugreek capsules, open them and mix them with the oil. Is that ok or should I be using liquid fenugreek? Can I add fennel to the massage oil?

Thanx!!!!

[bonnette]

Wahaika,

can you explain the need of progesteron blocker? are there any signs when one should add it? and would the berb from spice section work just as well?

thank u in advance,
Bonnette

[Wahaika]

Sarah80,

Yep, use fennel only in tea if you are following a Greenbush routine or derivative like pammy's or madredesiete's.

If you are using powdered herbs in your massage, then use DMSO (2 drops only!!) after the massage but before the heat. Make sure the surface is CLEAN before you start - not even soap residue. Otherwise the DMSO will carry it though the skin with everything else.

Adding fennel powder to the fenugreek powder in the massage batter is OK - probably a good idea as fennel is good for the skin anyway.

Which oil are you using in the massage oil? (I would suggest olive and borage together - see the booby batter thread in the routine section) If you use fenugreek or fennel powder, put it in the oil and let it sit in a nice dark place for at least a week before using it. Use DMSO in this case, not aloe vera gel.

If you use an extract like fenugreek in the massage, then massage in aloe vera gel after massaging the fenugreek extract in, but before using heat.

There's no need to use aloe vera gel and DMSO together. Aloe vera gel sometimes clumps up with the powdered fenugreek.

[Wahaika]

bonnette,

>>can you explain the need of progesteron blocker?

A progesterone blocker, as we use the term, is an herb that fills the progesterone receptor in cells that have them. The big ones are oregano and damiana, oregano probably being the more potent one.

The theory is that during puberty, when the breasts are developing for the first time in terms of size, that it takes place before menarche. Progesterone is assumed to be low or off at this time since there is no corpeus luteum to produce it.

It is also thought that progesterone competes for the same receptor as estrogen.

So, if one could essentially turn off progesterone by stalling it - by taking enough oregano that the negative feedback system of the endocrine system kicks in - then there would be no inhibiting of the effects of the estrogenic herbs, AND it would (in theory) mimic the state that the body is in during puberty when progesterone has not yet been turned on.

Here is a link on how Wenonae figured out how to adjust for it:
beboard.proboards107.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=1067824479


>>are there any signs when one should add it?

Nope. You can try it. But, watch it because if it works too well then it could mess up your cycle. Wen didn't mention if there was a side effect like that but it is something to watch for. You might discontinue any oregano/damiana on the last few days of your cycle just to bring it on and then don't start it again until after menstruation is over.

Also, Fawn did a survey on the old MSN board and said that it looked to her like women would likely be very miserable during the time that actual growth occurs because estrogen would have to be so high as it was during puberty when progesterone is turned off.

>>would the berb from spice section work just as well?

Probably. Pammy bought her herbs from Walmart.

Hope this helps!

Wahaika

[bonnette]

Waikiki thank u so much

i just got an idea. would it make sense to add progesteron blocker at lutheal phase when progesteron is rising? i experienced during my last cycle that i lost my sensations when i came to lutheal phase and progesteron could be the reason. Does it make sense?

[sarah80]

I tried the DMSO today. When I put it on, my heart started beating and I felt nauseus. Is that normal? Do you know if applying DMSO to the skin can be dangerous? Maybe it was just a coincidence.

I am using the "Total Omega 3/6/0" liquid oil from Vitamin Shoppe in the batter. But I think you will advice me against it, because it contains all this: flax oil, borage oil, lignans, epo (along with rosemary extract, tocopherols vitamin e, vitamin c and citric acid). Can I use it for the batter or internally, or should I toss it and get the borage/olive oil instead?

Thanx again, Wahaika! I am so exited for my new round and trying my luck with your wife's routine!

[Wahaika]

Bonnette,

Yep it makes sense. Just watch how/if it affects your cycle. I would expect the effect to be that it goes longer. Keep that under control.

Wahaika

[Wahaika]

Sarah80,

Nope, that is not normal. Normal is to get a garlic taste in your mouth, or that of fenugreek if you used fenugreek.

How many drops of DMSO did you use? If you only used two drops (the maximum, by the way) then you were probably just nervous. But just in case, switch to aloe vera gel and get the heat on after that.

The alternative is to try it again but only using one drop. Maybe it would help to read up on it first. Try this thread:
beboard.proboards107.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=1132672163

I would say that the safest thing to do is to do what you feel most comfortable with. If using DMSO stresses you out, or really is having that effect (assuming it was not over used) then you might as well just use aloe vera gel instead. With heat, I think it is 99% as good as DMSO.

On the Omega 3/6/? oil, yep, I would say drop it due to the lignands. But for general health it would be good. Just not optimal for BE. Olive and borage would be better as a batter, with fenugreek extract, or fenugreek powder steeped in. You can also take a gram of borage oil before bedtime each night for about three months at a time.

Good luck!

Wahaika

[velvetblasphemy]

I like the sounds of your program and someone else on the board reccomended it to be.
However I am not sure if it's the right one for me.
I'm 5'9", 125 lbs, 19 years old (never had a child), and my cup size is between a 32AA/A.
It seems like you need at least a B cup for this routine to get the best results.
Should I be better off going with another one for smaller chested women like myself?

Also, how does your routine affect being on Birth control?
Thanks!