Greenbush Ramp-Up

[Wahaika]

Hello missbuttons,

I think that is a very good idea for a light source. There are some things to consider when using a SAD light: (personal opinions)

Get the sunrise and sunset hours of the current day:
www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/astronomy.html?n=304

Get the sunrise and sunset hours of the Spring Equinox (March 20) or Summer Solstice (June 21) and work gradually toward those hours. I would say that the best is a happy medium in April, say about the 15th. So you are looking at a 12 to 14 hour day of sunlight. (December is only about 7 hours)

Gradually work toward (ramp up) your chosen sunrise/sunset hours. Have a light at work and a light at home so you always get the light during those hours.

I hope that your drive home (in the dark?) is not too long. A light in your car might blind you and be unsafe.

When Scotland hits March 20th, discontinue the usage of the light until later in the year, like the Autumn Equinox (September 22nd).

Potential problems to look for:
Interrupted sleep patterns.
Weight may go down except if this causes an unforseen stress (like being colder than normal because you are losing weight in the Winter) which will cause cortisol to go up. Better bundle up! Also, don't forget the massage component, it is also an additional time of applied heat.

That's all I can think of at the moment. I think the use a SAD light is a brilliant idea! (sorry, couldn't resist)

Wahaika

[lafonda]

Hello Wahaika,
I hope you are well. Just a quick question. You said to keep track of which days I feel aches and which days I don't. When do I want to feel aches? How do I know that the aches I'm feeling are symptoms of a good program?

Thank you, Lafonda

[Wahaika]

Hello Lafonda,

>>"When do I want to feel aches? "

In order to answer that, refer to this graph of the menstrual cycle:
beboard.proboards107.com/index.cgi?board=medical&action=display&thread=4082
Every woman is different, this is just a model.

Simplistically, growing pains in the follicular phase (first half of the cycle) are associated with growing pains at the right time, generally speaking. There are some women who have growing pains in the luteal (last half of the cycle) phase. Some women grow and have no pains at all.

In order to know which one you are, you will want to track what days you have any growing pains including feelings of fullness / heaviness, and their intensity, then watch to see if you grow or not. My observation has been that growing pains and swelling in the luteal phase generally disappear by the following cycle day 10.

There is a lot more potential for adjusting the routine by paying attention to the detail in the graph. (at least in theory) Two facts are also helpful to keep in mind. They are that
progesterone opposes estrogen, and that
estrogen receptors* are the most sensitive after they have been deprived of estrogen.

* Days 1-5, estrogen and progesterone are at their lowest point and have been since the previous day 23.
* Days 5 - 11 or 12, maybe to 14, estrogen is rising and progesterone is still low.
* Days 12 to 18, estrogen is falling and progesterone is rising.
* On about day 18, estrogen and progesterone cross pathways.
* Days 16 - 23 estrogen is level, progesterone is rising and peaks around day 21 or 22.
* Days 23 to 28, estrogen is falling, progesterone is falling.
* Mid Cycle day is about 14 days before the last day (28 in this case), and is marked by the spike in Luteinizing Hormone.

My expectation is that days 6 to 14 are the days where estrogen receptors should be the most sensitive, diminishing as the days approach day 14 then they equalize.

There are several uses for this information. Four that come to mind are:
1. When dosages are constant.
2. When one wants to increase or decrease the dosage.
3. If one wants to cycle herbs and time them with natural hormones.
4. To detect a stall, but have more precision with what the dosage should be by knowing what cycle days the stall test takes place, or perhaps to design a stall test with specific days in mind because of expected hormone levels.

In case 1, if one has constant dosages and one feels growing pains, was it on a day that estrogen was low/falling, low/rising, high/falling, high/rising, or stable?
If:
* low/falling then dosages are OK/on the high side, maybe close to stall.
* low/rising then dosages are OK/maybe on the low side.
* high/falling, then dosages are OK/too high.
* high/rising, (like day 10 or 11) then dosages may be a little low.
* stable then one may be a luteal grower. I would also be interested in what pains/no pains are felt around day 7 or 8.

Ultimately, if growing is happening, then one should leave well enough alone no matter what one is feeling. This is all theoretical anyway.

Can you see how the following three cases might work?

>>"How do I know that the aches I'm feeling are symptoms of a good program?"

Again, the ultimately test is if there is growing. Also note that growing, according to Pammy (and I agree), is "two steps forward and one step back." This means that one could grow and shrink several times in a period of months, but the net effect is permanent growth. There are more things to consider when looking at what should be a successful routine. In a routine for someone with your characteristics, I would expect to see GABA used as well as gelatin.

But back to the original question, judging by aches, you also want to look at feelings of heaviness and itching/tingles. If the growth is late in the cycle and keeps going away, then some adjustments will need to be made. I would trust growing pains in the middle two weeks of the cycle, but the ultimate test is whether there is real permanent growth.

There are other factors to consider. This hyper detail is all probably overkill, but its the way that I think of it when I have the information.


* I have an assumption that all receptors work this way. Estrogen is the focus of the conversation when talking about permanent growth.

Wahaika

[lafonda]

Thank you for taking the time to give me this info. It will be a big help. I'll let you know how things are going down the road. Right now just waiting. Thanks again.

Lafonda

[lafonda]

Sorry, I just wanted to add, I'm taking 500mg. of GABA at night. Is that amount o.k.? Also, how much gelatin should I take?

Lafonda

[Wahaika]

Lafonda,

I would say that 500mg at night is OK. I have seen it used up to 1500mg. If you get jittery, it goes away after a while. If it keeps you awake, try lowering the dosage if you can't get used to it.

As far as gelatin, I would go by what I have read on Eve's Forum. Jelly and Surf have used it with great success (chicken Foot Soup also has an excellent reputation over there).

I remember reading where Jelly just used unflavored gelatin right out of the package. I also remember (but might be wrong on this) that she had about 3 tsp three times per day. Surf used one packet once per day and then divided it. You might try it that way also, maybe one packet twice per day (knox gelatin). Jelly went from 34A to a 32E in just over a year. Surf grew 5 inches in less than a year.

Surf's Program: (search for gelatin and for GABA usage)
www.network54.com/Forum/482052/thread/1141405734/My+stats+%26amp%3B+routine

Wahaika

[starsong]

Hello Wahaika

I have been reading madredesiete's routine and am very impressed with the detail you have gone into and knowledge you have. I would really love your feedback and input on my current routine - I have put everything pills stats etc, onto a stat's page, if it's not too much trouble and if you have time that is!

Thanks heaps!!! ;D

[Wahaika]

OK. I'll take a look and reply there.

[feebie]

Anybody has any idea on below 3 questions -in the receipe mentioned by Wahaika:

1/2 cup Olive Oil + 1/2 cup Fenugreek + 24 Borage Oil (one gram) caps.
1. Which olive oil is used. Is it ediable olive oil used in cooking - extra virgin olive oil OR is it any maasage olive oil.
2. Can we use fenugreek powder found in grocery stores - 1/2 cup, as I am unable to find fenugreek capsules?
3. How should the borage oil capsules be used in the recipe? Drop the capsules in the oil directly or puncture the capsule to get the borage oil out of it and pur into olive oil to make a mixture?

When the mixture is left for seeping, should it be shaken everyday?
Thanks.

[lisasuzanne]

hello..
i am fairly new to my program and found your post for Booby Batter--
sorry i am a bit confused on the Borage Oil.. should i use Capsules or Gels forms or should i use a liquid form??
How many of the caps are needed?? they come in a MG size,
so it is not explained how many are needed.
Do i just put the entire capsules thrown into the Fenugreek and
Olive Oil mixture??
thank you for the help i am looking forward to adding this to my program..

Lisa xoxo

[Wahaika]

Hello Lisa,

See Reply #4 in this thread.

24 gel capsules that hold 1000mg each. Get some dark glass bottles/jars and mix it all at once, then let it sit for no less than a week. Use virgin olive oil or better. The higher quality the better then it won't go rancid.

Wahaika

[Wahaika]

Feebie,

1. Virgin olive oil.

2. Yes, if that is all you can find. The important thing is that it is fresh. If it has been sitting on a shelf for a long time it can lose some of its potency.

3. Cut the capsule and squeeze the oil into the mixture.

Shake it every day is the best but if you forget, don't worry.

Wahaika

[peachinmarch]

Dear Wahaika,

I have been reading this thread and quite impressed by your knowledge about NBE. I am 39 and have been on NBE for over 2 months, but never feel any sensation. My breast seems to remain in deep sleep and never want to wake up. I have posted my routine on routine page. I wonder if you could give my any suggestion what I should do next. I almost lost hope. Thanks a lot!

Peachinmarch