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Post by vitality on Jun 30, 2005 13:50:01 GMT -5
Endometriosis is not common when using herbs....is it?
What are the ages of these women who have this condition? I'm 18 and have never been pregnant, and just wanna know what I should be concerned about if I start taking herbs.
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Post by Dollie on Jul 1, 2005 20:14:03 GMT -5
I don't like to promote products on here, BUT if your going to do BE you should buy the e-book on Fawn's site or the RHM site www.rhmethod.proboards19.comwww.realhealthmethod.comDowsing or trial and error ladies if you are having trouble growing buy the book it is worth every penny. It explains so much. I printed it off my computer, put it in a 3 ring notebook and it is handy. It explains that some women need more than just herbs to grow. That there are things that can prevent you from growing. Like too much sugar, stress and so much more. Explains how your breast grow during puperty and much more. If you are short on time , it is a great find. |
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Post by Wahaika on Jul 1, 2005 21:17:16 GMT -5
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Post by jennidee on Jul 2, 2005 10:24:22 GMT -5
How is a liver cleanse done? Sounds like a good thing to do whether or not one is currently doing BE, just to rid the liver of toxins and buildups from other sources.
Thanks,
Jennifer
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Post by Wenonae on Jul 2, 2005 14:36:21 GMT -5
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Post by Wenonae on Jul 2, 2005 14:43:23 GMT -5
Endometriosis is not common when using herbs....is it? What are the ages of these women who have this condition? I'm 18 and have never been pregnant, and just wanna know what I should be concerned about if I start taking herbs. Have you searched this site for the word endometriosis? If you did, you'd see there's only about 3 or 4 people who posted out of the 1000 members with stories about endo as related to herbs or NBE and they WAAAaaaay overdid the dosages. In fact, those stories are discussed in this thread. |
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Post by panda421us on Jul 7, 2005 15:15:35 GMT -5
Hello, I am the original poster. I recieved an email that my post had been on here and to reply to your responses. I want to say without sounding offensive that I think some of the opinions on here about taking breast enhancement herbs are not wise. I want to say my opinion on this in the least offensive way so I am sorry if the following offends in anyway. I am just going to state my exact thoughts on the matter. I don't care if you think there is a safe way to take these or you feel that you have done your research, etc...having bigger breasts is not worth any possible health risk that you may encounter in the future. It is just not worth it. Life is way too precious and I hope that none of you find this out the hard way like I did. There is nothing that makes it worth taking that risk if you are already a healthy person with a full life ahead of you. Absolutely nothing in my opinion. Think really hard about it. Why do you think that these pills are going to send a signal to your body to only grow breasts??? It doesn't make sense. They have the potential to cause abnormal growths anywhere if it is true that they can cause growth. This is SCARY. And anyone that knows this and still risks it does not see the full picture of how valuable their life is.
I am not trying to set the blame for health problems associated with breast enhancement herbs on only greenbush natural products! I just stated the truth of where I got the product from. A lot of people like me who are concious of their health want to buy only the best products. I thought that since they were organic, etc.. I was getting a good product. I'm sure that they are organic and "a good product" but this is the catch...many people will see organic and think they are taking a "better" product when in reality all breast enlargement products probably have the potential to be dangerous. At the time that I bought these pills from them they had a lot of info on their website on the potential health benefits of this product. I did not see any warnings, etc.. I also did research online but there was very little info that I could find on the safety or dangers of bep's at the time. When I read all of the potential benefits on their site that sort of also gave me that inner push in thinking ok what harm can this do. Its good for me and I could grow breasts!
I was around 19/20 when I started taking their product. I took the recommended dosage on their site which was 2 breast enlargement packs for somthing like 8 months because of course you wouldn't see results with just one pack. I read thier instructions carefully and followed exactly their recommendation for taking the pills. Before I started these pills I had extremely regular periods. I had absolutely no pain and no health problems. My family history has absolutely no hormonal or gynelogical problems. After discontinuing the bep's I noticed that I no longer had regular periods and that I had extreme upper stomach pains when I did have my period. I also stared to grow facial hair and severe acne. NEVER had any of this before the pills. I went through a year of going to different doctors trying to find out what was wrong with me. They didn't know what was wrong with me. I found out finally that I had grapefruit sized endometriosis on both of my ovaries. Had surgery and was in the hospital for 4 days. I do have a 5 inch scar and whoever was the poster who said that this is my fault because I waited to long...when you develope a health problem doctors are not going to be able to always tell you exactly what it is immediately. I hope and pray that this product does not give anyone cancer because cancer is often a silent disease...you dont know its there right away. Are you going to tell those people they waited to long??? On top of this I was SCARED and confused. I did have some hopes that these were just after effects, that my hormones were temporarily out of wack from taking the product and would go away and that my body could heal itself. I asked their company what to do when I had my first symtoms of not having my period and they told me to drink soy milk! I just thought this was the most rediculous response when I was going through all this at the time. If you get in health trouble after taking any BE herbs just remember that the company (not only greenbush) ANY company that you buy them from is not going to be able to help you. You will be dealing with it alone and if its bad enough possibly for the rest of your life.
Finally, every single day I regret taking these herbs. I wonder if I will be able to have children since I was obviously no longer having regular periods so my ovaries could very well be damaged. They probably are somewhat damaged at least after the endo and the surgery. Doctors say that I won't know until I try to have a baby. I worry about the possible effect that having taken these pills might have on my childrens health and lives. If it will make them more susecptible to cancer, endometriosis, or effect them in any way, etc. I think everyday about what possible that overload of estrogen, etc could have done to the quality of my eggs. Everyday I wonder if I will get cancer from this in the future. I went through years of dermatology to try to get rid of the hormonal acne and finally just recently resorted to accutane because it was so bad (all over my chin). Anyway, I do sincerely hope that my story will convince someone that even if it was 100% a sure thing that you would have bigger breasts (and it's not even close) any risk to your health is not worth it. I even feel that breast implants may very well be safer than taking these herbs although I do not advocate any form of breast enlargement. You are perfect and beautiful and sexy just the way you are. There are many successful gorgeous women with small to medium sized breasts. They made it and believed in themselves. You don't need bigger breasts to feel good about yourself. Just having good health and being alive is good enough reason.
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Post by Wenonae on Jul 7, 2005 16:23:54 GMT -5
Panda421us-
It's exactly why I'm such an advocate of dowsing. Because there are things we're doing to our bodies which until they are blantant enough to stop our daily routines, we don't pay attention to. Dowsing allows us to read things about ourselves so we do the healthiest things for it. Totally something you should consider doing for your own health so that you can reach the best health possible.
As mentioned in recent threads, those who are estrogen-high naturally, are more sensative when that balanced is pushed higher via foods, herbs, or pharmecuetical meds. It seems like this is your case.
Trust me, it's possible to be healthy and grow boobs and yes WITH herbs+. Thanks for your share. O, there's another dowser who had stopped having her periods. She was told she was peri-menopausal. Since dowsing, not only does she have an AF, but she's growing boobs and has felt better than never before. Her user name on here is Jewelz. Check out some of her posts.
Wen'
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Post by littlelamb on Jul 7, 2005 19:45:02 GMT -5
panda421us,
You stated that you were using the Greenbush herbs for about 8 months. What specific Greenbush product were you taking? How many miligrams of each herb were you taking per day?
Can you please be specific about your "routine" including any supplements.
Thanks.
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Post by panda421us on Jul 8, 2005 2:37:49 GMT -5
littlelamb - they had something like a 3-4 month breast enlargement pack with pills and powdered herbs to make into tea. I was taking exactly according to the directions they had on their website and the direction print out they sent me. I no longer remember the exact daily amount but it was something like a few pills a day and tea at night. If I remember correctly the pack came with about 3 different herbs. Anyway, I would advise before you take anything to give yourself a few months to rationally think about whether the risk is worth it. Try to see your life in the future and whether you would be able to live happily with the outcome if something bad were to happen. No amout of risk to your future health is worth reasoning taking even the smallest amount of this. If you value your life you just wont do it. I don't care if you do not get endometriosis there is always a possible cancer risk in the future. It often takes cancer 10 years or longer to grow big enough to notice anything. It is very easy to see the posts on here from people claiming that these are safe and believe it because you want to believe it so badly that there is a pill out there which you can take with absolutely no risk and grow breasts. I would take a look at who these people really are. Are they involved in the business or do they have a product or products to sell? How long have they been on the product? Do your own research outside of their comments. Remember they are not medical doctors and if you do develope growths, etc...there is no herb that is going to be able to get rid of them for you.
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Post by fawnmarie on Jul 8, 2005 8:35:32 GMT -5
Actually, you describe the symptoms of PCOS - not endometriosis. Which is kind of interesting. Do you have your surgical report? Large masses on the ovaries, hirsuitism, acne and irregular periods are symptoms of PCOS. Endometriosis can normally be expected to include painful intercourse - which is not always true of PCOS.
Endometriosis stinks and so does PCOS. And really I would blame your ob/gyn for not catching it in time to do endoscopic surgery - they should have done a sonogram on you. I'm sorry it took them so long to diagnose you. I developed PCOS and a mild case of endometriosis in my early 20's, and ended up with a 3 pound cyst on my left ovary and the whole thing had to be removed. I was not using any kinds of herbs or birth control. And I also ended up with quite an ugly long scar - so I sympathize completely. My stupid doctors thought I had colon cancer of all things (I was only 25!) so they were fast and sloppy with the surgery (as well as being military doctors) to such a degree that later doctors asked me "What the hell did they do to you?!"
It's very feasible that the excess of phytoestrogens contributed to the problem. If you were also taking birth control pills, that would exacerbate it. If you developed insulin resistance from the excess estrogen, this would also explain it and seems pretty probably - especially judging from your symptoms. If you found yourself eating a lot of sweets and gaining weight in response to the BE pills, well, that's very likely.
It's also highly unlikely that any children you have will be susceptible to any of these problems. Excess hormonal levels that effect a fetus have to be elevated during the pregnancy - not five years previous.
Listen, I really do sympathize - because I've been through the same problems you have plus many many more. And no, I was not using kind of herbs or other substances at the time. However, even with horrible gynecological history (PCOS, endo, c-section, distressed babies, overgrown scar tissues, several surgeries, and a host of medications - ALL poorly diagnosed and badly treated and inappropriately medicated by the medical industry) - I STILL had no problems with a BE program. It wasn't until I started taking my health into my own hands that I STOPPED having gynecological problems!
If you are still having problems with period regularity, acne, hirsuitism, etc., I would look into finding out if you indeed have PCOS, especially if you are a sweet junkie or gaining weight. PCOS springs up a lot in the early 20's. My guess is this stems from the usage of birth control pills, but BE pills could have the same effect.
Thanks for visiting and posting!
Fawn
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Post by panda421us on Jul 8, 2005 14:23:01 GMT -5
Hello, no I do not have pcos. I had endometriosis and I blame the herbs not the doctors. The reason for the hair growth and acne and skipped periods was because my ovaries were damaged and badly effected by the grapefruit sized cysts. I know that I would not have this had I not taken these herbs because there is no way that you can go from having absolutely no problems to such extreme problems the minute you take a product. It is way too coincidental. And if my ovaries are damaged permanently and effect my hormones then yes I do believe it can effect my children. Also things that you take into your body have an effect on your dna...eggs, etc....I am worried about that. You with pcos and taking phystoestrogens is also a big worry. You are probably putting yourself at greater risk for health problems. I would never take these again and it disturbs me that people will reason themselves into taking a products that could potentially be dangerous just to grow bigger breasts. Look at the before and after pictures section of this forum. Of course there are not many people with growth who are posting. Not only that but if you look at the pictures can you honestly say that any one of them looks better with bigger breasts or more beautiful than they were before? No, they were just as beautiful before. If you are willing to possibly have cancer, infertility, etc...etc.. for bigger breast then the problem is not your breast size but something inside of yourself. I was there myself. Anyway, I do appreciate your response but it just irritates me to see people reasoning with themselves to take a product that you really don't know healthwise how it will effect you in the future.
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Post by Cassandra on Jul 8, 2005 15:49:40 GMT -5
Panda,
How long did u take the herbs for? Did you notice the side affects right away after taking them, if not how long before u started to notice the side affects?
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Post by Wenonae on Jul 8, 2005 16:40:10 GMT -5
Panda-
Hate to say it so bluntly, it's not the product, rather your own genetics which are causing you the problems. Most people here if there are side effects, it's bloating, fat where they don't want it, acne, and other things- generally not humongous cysts. If you're estrogenically high, you're just more prone to probs period.
I'm telling you. You can figure out what's going on with you with dowsing. Ladies who are dowsing health and boobs are able to figure out things that either the drs. didn't care to or didn't quite know how to.
Again, it's really not the herbs. In fact, GB has the better track record because it's a simpler formulation so it's easier to tweak. Maybe consider a good liver cleanse to help rid yourself of some excess estrogen.
Wen'
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Post by lilsx1 on Jul 8, 2005 17:50:03 GMT -5
WOW - you blame the product? I mean yeah I am estrogen dominant myself but if I kept pumping myself full of product I would blame myself for not doing my research or at least testing the levels of hormones in my body first (if you are adverse to dowsing) after all the product can only get there by you putting it in!! It sucks that you had terrible results - thus the lesson learned to test hormone levels, checking with a dr or I just dowse and actually avoided health problems bcause I learned I was estrogen dominant and how to balance myself out with progesterone and now I feel much better!! I think it's just a matter of research - you don't just mess with your body like that (eek)... hope you are doing better!
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