FM's Routine II

[flatmama]

well if it stays, then I'll definitely measure...

[anastasia916]

I looked up the MSM, but what is a good amount to take? I see 1000mg caps and 500mg ones, etc. so I'm not sure what I'm suppose to get and how much to take

[flatmama]

The women on eve's forum are taking around 6-8g a day. I tried 8g, couldn't handle it went back down to 6g. I also take gelatin because I cannot bring myself to make or eat chicken feet soup. I think some of them would just get the powdered MSM too and mix it into drinks...supposed to be cheaper or something. I don't know. The caps are just easier for me. Mine are the 1000mg....good if you are taking 6 to 8 of them a day!
I also read that it can keep you up at night so you don't want to take it too late....however, I seem to sleep better when I take some closer to bedtime. Weird.

ShyBoobs might have some more info on the MSM. I know she looked up a lot on it.

[anastasia916]

I have the same effect with caffeine, when I drank alot of regular coffee, caffeinated tea and soda alot I slept like a baby, since I stopped all caffeine intake a couple weeks before starting the new NBE routine, I have problems sleeping. Use to I would drink coffee right before bed too, so I'm weird too lol

[flatmama]

My breasts are super sore today. The aches are getting to the point of unbearable! Ouch! I'm not sure what happened but I think it was Fennel. I took some last night for reasons not associated to BE. My stomach was upset again, fennel helps it settle. Anyways, today they are just SUPER sore. AF should start tomorrow but I don't have pain, normally, in my breasts before AF. Might have to add some Fennel in this month. I tried it before and it gave me some really intense sensations, but I also got some horrific headaches with it. Maybe I can find a dose I can handle this time. I don't have a headache today...hm......a lot to think about.
I hope I can figure out a plan before AF is done. I will not be starting herbs until I start the active hormone BC pills...going to do a cleanse too.

I'm still drinking soy milk (i actually really like it and it's been great during this little stomach bug, doesn't irritate the problem like milk) and taking MSM (6g), gelatin (6 caps, can't remember amount), Flaxseed oil (2g), multi vitamin and vit. C. Just need to try the herbs again. I'll get this figured out and get some growth soon, I just know it. Just gotta give myself some time. Hubby is getting a lot more supportive and helpful with it....and isn't complaining because he says I feel much bigger.

[flatmama]

I did measure although I don't know if I should have....first measure was 1/2" larger....so 34" but couldn't replicate it on other measurements...don't know. Could have just been how I was breathing at the time. Everything seems the same but they actually LOOK bigger. I can't deny it at all. My bikini looks much better...and it's not padded or pushup. I have cleavage in it even if it's just a little! Okay, but there was a change....my breasts are 1" higher! Does this make sense to anyone!? In the last month I have gone from 8" from nipple to collar bone to only 7" from nipple to collar bone! I didn't even know I was sagging! I guess that's how I'm getting bigger. I have to say though, even when I was a 34C when I was pregnant I didn't have much projection....only about what an A cup would. My breasts are more wide than anything. Guess that's why my measurements aren't changing that much. That's my theory anyways.

BTW: AF should start tomorrow and I'm not bloated or retaining any water (no PMS weight gain....no PMS for that matter!! )

[flatmama]

Okay, I have figured out my routine for this cycle. I'm definitely using Fennel. I took some again last night for non-BE related issues (stomach things...really helps). I have been taking a break until yesterday from everything. I just started the Soy milk back last night and had to take some fennel as mentioned above. I did shrink a bit yesterday (day 3...pretty normal) so I expected to be small today. Oh my I sprouted! I felt big but just thought it was cuz I had that crazy dream of having big B cup breasts. When I walked by the mirror I had to take a double take...I thought I was crazy. I could see my breasts through my shirt...they were lifting it up. I lifted up my shirt and wow, they looked big! (compared to what they normally do). I had to get hubby's opinion and before I could say anything he told me that he had been taken back by how big they looked under my shirt! Even he noticed. It wasn't in my head. So, I measured....34 1/4"....definitely bigger. Too great. They will probably shrink tomorrow though It's fun to have for the moment but I do expect it to go away. We'll see. Loving them now though! I'm also having a lot of water weight since AF started. I know it'll go away when AF is done....hope that's not why my boobs are bigger.

[ShyBoobs]

34.25"? They actually grew on AF? That's great! Wow, maybe you won't even shrink at all if they really grew... I hope mine are as fortunate! I'll be checking once AF is out of the picture. Congrats on finding the routine that works for you! You're gonna have those 'B' boobs real soon if this keeps up! Keep us updated post-AF.

[flatmama]

I wouldn't say I "grew" yet. Not until it stays or I get more. Like I said, I am expecting it to shrink still.....I did feel smaller yesterday and my bra was loose. This is the last thing I expected to happen today. I'm going to start taking that Fennel every night...see what happens. I won't measure again until day 14. If I still have it plus some...I'll believe I grew during AF.

[flatmama]

feels like fennel=super migraines again. I was up to 2 a day....taking it back down to one. See how that goes. I'm not sure if it's the fennel or the new contacts causing the migraines. We'll see. If feels like the 34.25" might have gone down..but I'm not measuring. I haven't been massaging very much lately either. I'm going to be much better about that now. I'm still thinking of throwing in a progesterone blocker...we'll see. I'm also thinking of trying 1 fenugreek cap with the fennel. I really want to keep up with the fennel because I respond well to it. I responded very well to it before when I took it but I got horrific migraines from it. Fingers crossed right now that I can handle at least 1 fennel cap.

[flatmama]

I'm still not sure if the headaches were contacts or the fennel. I made some adjustments with the fennel (tried different times and such) and was able to get to where I only have minor headaches if any. We'll have to see. The last couple of days I haven't been good at taking my herbs and such.

I'm not sure if I want to continue BE anymore. Now, I'm not discouraged or anything because I haven't had any growth. Some days they feel bigger, some days smaller. It's just that, in the last couple of weeks I've become very comfortable with my body. I really like it. I like how I look, even my small breasts. I wouldn't mind if my breasts got larger, but I'm at a point where it really doesn't matter. This is wonderful, don't get me wrong. I love feeling this way about myself. The problem is though, that because I feel this way, I'm not as diligent about massages, or taking my supplements/herbs like I need to help my breasts grow.I want to continue some days, mostly because of all the time/$$/effort I've put into BE.

I'm not sure. I will probably still continue with BE as best as I can right now but it won't be the same kind of effort I had before. I guess it's not a priority anymore. I'll probably go until about fall, finish out my growing season and then, I'll probably be done.

Best of luck everyone.

[anastasia916]

aww FlatMama, we'll miss you! I'm at a point where I don't care if I grow or not, now it's more curiosity than anything. Kinda to see if I can get to the size I was while pregnant, if I don't get there I won't be sad though, I'm happy with myself regardless. *hugs* glad you are happy with yourself!

[flatmama]

Thanks Anastasia...I'll probably stay around after I'm done with BE but won't be actively doing it anymore. I would like to end as a success story though because so many people have started routines and disappeared here without any more info with what happened. So right now, my goal is more to be a success story. I hope I can get it to work. I've started trying Zoft gum now (because it's SOO easy) and I like it. I know it has a reputation for working quickly right off and then nothing later...but right now I'll take what it can give me quickly. I was trying to take some herbs with it but I was an emotional mess! It was helping though, my breasts hurt..but I couldn't even stand myself!

So, I updated stats...finally got some growth going...waist and such still the same....I think my weight might be up a bit cuz I'm totally bloated today so I didn't weigh myself.

Just thought, I should add my current routine

2 MSM 1000mg 3X/day
1 Borage Oil 500mg 3X/day
1 Flaxseed Oil 1000mg 3X/day
1 piece of Zoft 3X/day
Vit C..whatever amount I remember to take
Multi Vitamin when I remember it
Fennel sometimes (makes me super emotional with everything else)
Small Glass of Soymilk at night (4-8oz)

[flatmama]

Wahaika, I have a question for you. Today when I was grocery shopping, I noticed that they had an herbal Dandelion Root tea. Would this be as effective as the dandelion root extract?

Thanks

[anastasia916]

yes zoft is good I took it for 6 months, the first 2 months I got a 2 inch increase but nothing after, but I think continuing it for the 4 months after is what made it permanent, after stopping zoft I took a 6 month or so break from BE and I still had the 2 inches I gained, so wasn't something that just goes away, many don't like the taste of zoft gum but it didn't bother me, only thing that bothered me is when I went up to 6 pieces a day it got boring chewing all the time but I did it anyways, I hope you get success with it! my first supply of it was a bday gift then I ordered a bunch of it off ebay for cheap and finished the 6 months of it, and for people who don't like chewing gum, breast success is the maker of zoft and the pills are the same as the gum and it is cheap on ebay and amazon too

But I'm sticking to the herbs I'm taking I think I'm getting good results with them and I haven't gained weight from them or had excessive sweating, I think the worst thing I've experienced is increase in acne breakouts but I've struggled with that since I was 11 and my hair falls out a lil but it's been doing that since I was with and left my son's father so not that big of a deal to me and I use products to help it. But so far no hormonal imbalances, no hot flashes or anything that I heard other people say.