Flatmama's Routine

[Wenonae]

...there's this thing called "life" which can sometimes get in the way of BE. sheesh. Glad you've got a hubby who can literally give you a hand or two .

Honestly, I hope you start on lower BC dose. It's easier to work your body up to chemical higher dose..than to flush them outta your system to do a lower dose. This also means the fennel can do its work better (chemicals generally override effectiveness of herbs). Doing the lower dose chemical route also means you'll more likely be ahead of or at that Spring timeline you want.

Until you start BC- of course keep using the fennel like you are. And guess what? Eventually whatever route you choose, you'll eventually get there. BTW, thanks for answering Ssunflower.

Wen'

[flatmama]

Aug 1, 2008 13:48:11 GMT -5 Wenonae said:

.... BTW, thanks for answering Ssunflower.

No problem Wen'. I'm glad I'm actually learning something here so I can contribute more! Sorry it took me so long to respond!

[flatmama]

quick update....dropped Fennel....had some problems that was just too much for me. I ended up stopping it completely about a week before AF. My body was 'screaming' at me in a way. I don't know if my body liked that stuff so much or what, so my using it will just be in massage. No offense Wen', but I noticed in alot of the women's routines that you've helped them out with they run into alot of problems that need fixing along the way and when I noticed something that seemed like that happening to me too just didn't want to keep going at it. I appreciate you trying to help me out though. I think I need to just stop doubting myself and I'll figure it out and get there eventually like you said. A positive attitude, especially with myself, will help me out more than anything else. A faster routine probably just isn't what my body needs or can handle.

I'm working on ramping up with a new routine (sorta-same thing as before mostly) that I feel good about....I've also been massaging with olive oil, EPO and Fennel which I'm liking so far. I'm on day 4 in AF and feeling really tight in my bras, which is nice even if it's just swelling. Weird thing is, I'm still getting bigger....bras are still getting tighter. (I'm not holding any water anywhere in my body that I notice and I'm not bloated either, or weighing more...so not sure what's going on) They were tight about 2 days before AF and have just continued to get tighter. I didn't start massage with the mixture until day 1. I didn't have any measurements before AF but either yesterday or the day before I measured 33.5" at the fullest and today 33 7/8". Weird that the 'swelling' if that's what it is, is still increasing. It's still fun even if just temporary. Husband noticed last night that they felt bigger, and the extra cleavage in the bras, awesome! They've been hurting a bit too the last couple of days, which could be that time of the month but it's new to me. Either way...whatever it is, even temporary swelling is nice. I think the massage mixture is playing a part in it though. Guess we'll see, only time will tell. I'll post the routine when I get everything ramped up.


Happy Growing everyone!!

[Wenonae]

I did try.

That "swelling" is thanks to the fennel you used for that short time. The recommendations I put up aren't just "fastest", but "fastest and healthiest".

But, could you PM me what sensations you felt you were worried about? I know you needed to go thru about 2 weeks of 'eh' while your body adjusted and settled into fennel..boy, did you make 2 weeks? And your body "screaming" at you- was it like "OMG, I need this...give it to me...give it to me...this is great!..almost too great!!..but I want more"? If it was anything like that, then don't doubt what your body is saying to you.

BTW, any adjustments I wind up offering to people..is because "something" comes up (like using something different than recommended brand, diet changes affecting things, stress throwing things off, getting sick, "life"...)

Seriously though, g'luck in the BE trials.

Wen'

[flatmama]

I was having more and more aches in my lower stomache during times when they usually don't happen, which scares me since endometriosis is so big and aggresive in my family. I also had some serious headaches that continued to get worse and then turned into migraines and then finally one day, the worst migraine I've ever had in my life. I woke up in the middle of the night with it. Talk about feeling like my head was ready to explode. Anytime I moved my head it got worse. one of those moments when you feel like you just want to die. I can handle headaches but not that....started ramping down after that and slowly started feeling better....headache went away a few days later & started sleeping better again. Going to sleep and waking up with headaches just wasn't very fun. I can handle 'eh' but not 'ahhh'.

The 'screaming' was more like "what the he** are you doing to me??!!" I kept trying to convince myself to keep trying but the body would just scream louder. Too much conflict, not good. I see it as if my head and heart don't agree, it's not right. I did try, I did.
I got some sensations in my breasts from it but just couldn't handle the other stuff. Maybe I could when there's less "life" going on and can deal with the headache for a couple of weeks. Like you said before, I can get my growth with my previous routine, it's just going to take some time.....so I'm going to just go with that until I either get there or feel more like I can handle the Fennel and the 'eh'. I would love to have a nice C cup, I really would, but it's really not the end of the world if I don't. I'm feeling more 'relaxed' internally so I'm just goint to stick with that for awhile. I have a good feeling about my choice right now and about me having breasts one day. It might not be the 'best' routine for BE but I think it's just what my body needs right now.

[Wenonae]

Headaches and anywhere close to migraines are not acceptable. Period. I'm glad you've dropped it all and are doing better, but something really REALLY doesn't sound right (duhhh).

The fennel has obviously amp'ed an underlying problem. What the problem is...good ques; but, it's good that this has been brought to the forefront now b/c it could have been less cool to do BE with other things and maybe worsen this situation. In fact, I'm not so sure I'd even do massage to absorb stuff into my system until it was figured it out.

....just doesn't add up. Appreciate a good puzzle.

Wen'

[flatmama]

I'm not sure what it could be.....I'm pretty healthy. I did get a little nauseous with the fennel but I figured that was the hormones adjusting and/or the migraines.

Does fennel lower or raise your blood pressure? I wouldn't worry so much about it raising a bit but I have lower blood pressure normally. Just curious if maybe some of what happened was from something like that.
if you are wondering my blood pressure normally ranges in the 90's to low100's/low 70's resting heart-rate averages about 67 bpm, so I would think it doesn't have much room to drop without causing me some problems. I didn't check it at all during the time I was taking the Fennel although I thought about it. Just curious if that's a possiblity.

[Wenonae]

Hi FM-

So far- I've figured out it's related to the stomach area. But it's not from anything you had on your trip (was before that), but what I indicate so far isn't matched by any other symptoms/diagnosises listed.

For what it's worth- I'm getting you have a weakened stomach lining due to a viral infection. This is causing probs w/ digesting some types of foods (protein-rich) and processing fats. Fats break down to sugars. I know when I have too much sugar..I get headaches. But this doesn't explain why or how fennel amps up the effect. Fennel simulates estrogen in the body.

(thinking outloud here)..it could be Fennel/extra estrogen + imbalanced/increased sugar levels are causing the prob. Almost sounds like when you were on fenu. Hmm. Will keep checkin' into it. It also seems you'll have the same 'migraine' effect if you start BC w/ this infection.

BTW, my BP is really low as is my normal heart rate (like yours is). BE herbs can more affect insulin/sugar levels vs. BP levels.

Wen'

[flatmama]

Just checking on the BP since I was taking the Fennel all at night before bed and I know BP is lower during sleep. Good to know on that one.

Can't think what I would have had that messed up my stomach....

Interesting stuff....curious to see what you come up with. If I remember right, BC gave me migraines before too.....who am I kidding, I've always had migraine problems! Not as bad as that one though.

[niki123]

hi flatmama! its great to see that ure progressing! i just want to ask u did you go up a cup size?

good luck

niki

[flatmama]

Hi Niki,
I don't think I went up a cup size but I sure filled up. My breasts were pretty empty from breastfeeding. I have a curve on the bottom on my breasts instead of just a nice straight line to my nipple! I do wear a 34B bra now, push up that's almost completely filled up so I guess I could have. I never really thought about it, just figured it fit better cuz of my wide ribs!!

[Wenonae]

So! Meditated some more on wth is going on (also had some really competent dowser friends check and verify. My accuracy for you was off yesterday..so had to wait a minute). But!! my gut feeling was actually kinda close to what I ultimately indicated. ;D Here's what I get regarding the whole migraine/BE issue. Let's see if this makes sense (drum roll)...

• You have a weakened stomach lining due to 3 viral infections. The first was 16 years ago..the last was 3 months ago. A stomach viral infection is different from bacterial. Bacterial can create holes in the lining (ulcers) and need operations to fix. The viral just weakens (yesterday all my Googling was only finding info about viral so it didn't make sense how migraines were linked).
  
  What the infections have done is changed the acidity level (more acidic). So it breaks down things really fast. And things that are more acidic really make you feel blogged down (meats, etc.). Then things that are carb-based- break down fast too (turn to sugar), but when there's higher estrogen levels (BC, herbs, etc.)...you go to migraine-land.
  
  
• The fix? Reduce the acidity levels in your tummy to help repair thinned lining. 6 days of : probiotics (http://www.vitacost.com/FoodScience-Mega-Probiotic-ND [4 caps at nite b4 bed] or www.vitacost.com/Kyolic-Kyo-Dophilus-90-Capsules [5 caps at nite b4 bed]+ lemon/water (10 drops of lemon, 1 cup of water) ]- Dose all at nite.
  
  Then, 4 days of pomegrante juice (low sugar). 1/2 cup in morning 10 minutes b4 eating. While repairing the tummy...ONLY BE external (fennel extract [40 drops + jar of firming lotion like www.vitacost.com/BlueSky-Herbal-Body-Firming-Cream.
  
  
• If you do high dose BC like planned right now- you'll have migraines. The low-dose Premarin- no migraines.
  

So..wth did I get f,h fennel rite now given state of ur tummy and I usually indicate cleanses and other stuff b4??! Maybe God is going to let someone else read this thread and maybe figure out that's their problem too and they'll go off and fix it- long after we're gone.

BTW, I wouldn't consider BE internals until stomach thing fixed. A good test would be to eat a little more meat for a few days and see how you feel. So, what do you think abt the above?

Wen'

[flatmama]

You might like this--
Interestingly I already started probiotics yesterday. Didn't like that I was feeling like I over ate after hardly eating anything. I had some from before and just had the thought that maybe I should take those-started feeling a bit better today-still taking it. Bought some pomegrante juice earlier today already. I like the stuff.
I've already decided not to take the high-dose BC. Just waiting to see. I really want to get on BC but am considering waiting. I'm going to see how the GYN appt. goes.
As far back as I can remember I've had a highly acidic stomach....it has seemed to be better these last few years, didn't notice it getting worse these last few months.

Well, anyways...I'm exhausted....g'nite!

[flatmama]

Forgot to mention last night, the brand of probiotics that I'm using I have been planning on using for 2 weeks....just thought I'd add that.

[lisab]

Hi Flatmama! I am new here and couldn't help but notice one of your comments - that you have wide ribs. I, too, have wide ribs, after giving birth to four kids and nursing for almost ten years!!! I am 5'4" and 114 pounds and it is just weird looking! I wish there was a way to get back to normal. Did this happen to you after pregnancy?

FYI - I am a 34/36 A. Really, I'm a 34/36 AA, but I am experiencing a huge difference after starting massage a few weeks ago! Yea, it might be swelling, but who cares when you're that small, eh?

I am only doing massage and exercising, as I just started progesterone cream a week ago for estrogen dominance (took the saliva test and have tons of the symptoms). For now, I am more interested in taking care of that. I hope the progesterone doesn't shrink my boobs!

Anyway, I just had to give you a shout out!

Good luck with your program!

Lisa