caligirl's routine

[caligirl]

update:
started elegance elixir on 11/18/06.

about me:
i have been on bo for about 3 years and i have gone from a 34b to a 34d with a 10-15 pound gain in weight. i decided to stop taking bo because i was tired of getting fat. i was 120 pounds when i was a b cup. if anyone would like to know my bo regimen, i can post it up.
i do plan on losing weight but i would like to try herbal be first. i took quickbust long ago and it did not work for me. i will be using individual herbs and a hybrid routine of flat to fab + pammy’s routine + wahaika’s routine (thanks for the info and and the permission ;D).

cycle 2: june 27, 2006
what i have:
-greenbush fenugreek: 575 mg/cap
-greenbush saw palmetto: 575 mg/cap
-greenbush wild yam: 575 mg/cap
-solaray red clover: 375 mg/cap (from previous cycle)
-the vitamin shoppe borage oil: 1000mg/cap (from previous cycle)

cycle 1: june 3, 2006
what i have:
-nature’s way fenugreek: 610 mg/cap
-solaray saw palmetto berries: 580 mg/cap
-the vitamin shoppe wild yam: 500 mg/cap
-solaray red clover: 375 mg/cap
-the vitamin shoppe borage oil: 1000mg/cap
total cost: $45.00 including tax

in addition to these products, i have been and will be taking vitamin e and royal jelly (for my skin).

general method:
-7 days prior to period: progesterone cream on wrists
-breast pump 15 min + 2x/day using cocoa butter + 360 Chi rotations with aloe vera gel, fenugreek extract and DMSO.
-take pills with milk water as follows, 30 minutes before a meal or 2-4 hours after, max 3000 mg/day (will need to recalculate # of pills):

(from Madredesiete’s Routine beboard.proboards107.com/index.cgi?board=Routines&action=display&thread=1074738958 – modified by me)
1 = one per day at breakfast.
2 = two per day, one at breakfast, one at lunch.
3 = three per day, one at breakfast, one at lunch, one at dinner or before retiring.
4 = two at breakfast, one at lunch, one at dinner or before retiring.
5 = two at breakfast, two at lunch, one at dinner or before retiring.

Cycle 2:

Day.......FG...SP...WY…RC…Borage Oil
1...........0.....0.....0...….0...….1
2...........4.....3.....3...….2...….1
3...........5.....3.....3…....2...….1
4...........5.....4.....3…....2...….1
5...........5.....4.....3…....2...….1
6...........5.....4.....3…....2...….1
7...........5.....4.....3....…2...….1
8...........5.....4.....4…....2...….1
9...........5.....4.....4.…...2...….1
10.........5.....4.....4.…...2...….1
11.........5.....4.....4…....2...….1
12.........5.....5.....4..…..2...….1
13.........0.....0.....0..…..0...….1
14.........5.....5.....4..…..2...….1
15.........5.....5.....4..…..2...….1
16.........5.....5.....4..…..2...….1
17.........5.....5.....5..…..2...….1
18.........5.....5.....5..…..2...….1
19.........5.....5.....5..…..2...….1
20.........5.....5.....5..…..2...….1
21.........5.....5.....5..…..2...….1
22.........5.....5.....5..…..2...….1
23.........5.....5.....5..…..2...….1
24.........5.....5.....5..…..2...….1

Cycle 1:

Day.......FG...SP...WY…RC…Borage Oil
1...........1.....0.....0...….1
2...........1.....0.....0...….1
3...........2.....0.....0…....1
4...........3.....0.....0…....1
5...........3.....0.....0…....1
6...........3.....1.....0…....1
7...........3.....2.....0....…1
8...........3.....3.....0…....1
9...........3.....3.....0.…...1
10.........3.....3.....1.…...1
11.........3.....3.....2…....1
12.........3.....3.....3..…..1 Stay at this level for a week or so and evaluate any feelings of growth.
13.........3.....3.....3..…..1
14.........3.....3.....3..…..1
15.........3.....3.....3..…..1
16.........3.....3.....3..…..1
17.........3.....3.....3..…..1
18 Skip
19.........3.....3.....3..…..1
20.........3.....3.....3..…..1 If no signs of growth, resume. If signs of growth, go only slightly further.
21.........4.....3.....3..…..1
22.........4.....3.....3..…..1
23.........4.....3.....3..…..1
24.........4.....3.....3..…..2

any feedback would be greatly appreciated. i will use this as my be diary.

[caligirl]

june 6, 2006
three days on herbs. i'm feeling pretty down because i'm afraid i won't notice or feel any growth. i'm supposed to look for signs of deep pains or itching but i'm scared i won't find this and therefore will not know which amount of pills will be right for me. with bo, i grew but i never felt it.

i wonder if it would be better to take my pills with water, milk, or fennel tea. there are so many what if's when it comes to be, especially herbal be - i hope i can find the right routine for me.

[Wahaika]

Just do the ramp up and you should be fine. If you get to 3000mg of fenugreek and do not feel anything, keep it at that level for each herb. Do not ramp any further.

Take the herbs on an empty stomach with water, not milk.

Wahaika

[caligirl]

june 7, 2006
thanks wahaika - water it is! i am on day 5 now and nothing yet but i am not expecting to feel much until (hopefully) another week or so.

i measured myself today since this would be the right time to do so:
30" underbust
38" bust

when i put my bra on, however,
30" underbust
36.5" bust

when i am braless, no matter which way i measure myself, i always get 38". i am going to measure both from now on to check for growth. i guess i am wide but when i wear the bra and everything comes together, i am smaller than when i am braless - i probably need more volume. but what size bra am i wearing right now? 34dd, says the SA at fredericks, even though she measured me at a 36c (too wide) and the 34d was too small (overflowing cups). my breasts are so frustrating and such a mystery to me

[caligirl]

june 8, 2006
day six. started feeling deep but quick and inconsistent pains. hard to tell if they're cramps or breast pains, but given the fact that i never get cramps in my arms/upper body, i'll give myself the benefit of the doubt.

ordered fenugreek extract from greenbush + bustea. took out the borage oil from my routine so i can save it for my booby batter (taken from Madredesiete’s Routine again). started saw palmetto berries today. wonder if it'll make a difference...

[caligirl]

june 10, 2006
i should really date my ramp up schedule since i keep losing track of which day i'm on. anyway, the pains have been becoming more frequent but still short and abrupt. i don't feel any soreness either - hopefully that will come in due time. my fenu extract and bustea have yet to come. i've been keeping off massaging for now until my products come. i have dmso (99%) and used some after i tried massaging with fenu powder (broke a capsule) and aloe vera gel (which did not work very well at all). i spilled some on my keyboard and it stained pure white! i'm surprised the product hasn't affected my boobs in the same/similar manner.

sometimes i feel as if i come off as not being very appreciative of my size and success with non-surgical be. i am happy with my size (even with tons of weight gain) and i am grateful that bo worked for me and that i am experiencing anything with current routine (especially so fast). i hope i don't sound too ungrateful. good luck to all!

[Wahaika]

caligirl,

If you are going to use fenugreek powder then you need to steep it in olive oil. That would be what to use when using DMSO, not aloe vera gel.

See the booby batter pages in the thread at the top of the routines section. I think that if you are going to use aloe vera gel, it is best to use extract, not powder.

Wahaika

[caligirl]

june 16, 2006
day 14 of my routine. thanks wahaika - extract + gel is great except that i haven't been massaging regularly lately - my fault!

i woke up yesterday (day 13) with swollen, sensitive breasts (not painfully sore but they are heavy and full). this happened all of a sudden. i can't even tell if i have pains from my pills anymore - the swelling is more apparent. what is going on? i am thinking this is luteal swelling, even though i've never experiened this much swelling before (except when i was on the pill, which i am not on anymore). is luteal swelling a good or bad or neither when it comes to be? i hope it's good!

[Wahaika]

Check your PMs. But to summarize, I think that your dosages must be a little low during the follicular phase. So stay at the dosages you are at so as to be the most effective during the Luteal Phase, and resume the rampup of fenugreek starting on day 2.

Wahaika

[caligirl]

june 21, 2006
well...the swelling is still here though it went down substantially. the nipples are sensitive though...almost painful. my breasts are larger but it's really hard to measure them accurately. will wait till next month sometime.

thanks wahaika for your much needed advice! i think i will ramp up a ittle more too, since the boob pains are now the same as before, infrequent and quick (but at least something is happening).

this cycle i kind of messed up, as i forgot to skip day 1 and day 13 (when the swelling occurred). hopefully i'll see some major, permanent changes next cycle. g'luck!

[Wahaika]

It looks like you have the right idea. But don't get too worried about losing most of what you gained. This is typically the way it goes. Two steps forward, one step back. You keep a little bit as a net gain every month. And even that can be too idealistic.

Good luck!

[caligirl]

june 26, 2006
day 24. without your encouragment and direction wahaika, i would've given up long ago! i see changes...i feel fuller and i do not believe i've gained any weight either. in fact, i may have been losing due to my exams and excessive studying. the pains have been more prominent. instead of ramping up to five, i am keeping level at 4 fg pils/day. i noticed that when i did go up to 5 fg pills/day, i did not feel pains. when i went down a pill, they came back. maybe i should ramp down to 3 and see what happens...i do not get soreness but lots of pains.

i've grown to love the bust tea and i honestly believe it helps. the massage has been helping too except i can't find the time or privacy to do it regularly! i am grateful i've been seeing results - it's a slow process but i believe it'll be worth it in the end.

i will try greenbush products cycle two and report back results.

[elusia]

caligirl,
congrats on your growing pains and swelling! You (with Wahaika's help!) are inspiring me to try herbs again...

Happy growing!

Elusia

[caligirl]

june 28, 2006
thanks elusia! i was doubtful that herbs would work for me but i was wrong!

cycle 2 day 1. my period has come back with a VENGEANCE. i feel awful and have unbearable cramps. it came about a week early too. i wonder what is going on! skipped day 1, just used progesterone cream on wrists.

breasts are still full. the swelling from last cycle, day 13, has subsided but i'm not sure exactly when. the pains are still not 24/7 pains and maybe they're not supposed to be...i can feel them when i'm in class or lying down - in other words, i feel them during my "quiet times" and they go unnoticed when i'm more active.

i got an itchy rash under my left boob. i think it's because of the heat and the fact that i sag just a little. the shape of my breasts have been better. they are starting to have that nice "dropped" breast look, not the "orange-in-sock" look, which i was very afraid of. measuring time is coming up. i don't expect a huge change but hopefully a little bit of a difference.

[Wahaika]

caligirl,

>>"the massage has been helping too except i can't find the time or privacy to do it regularly!"

See if you can find the privacy somehow.

>>"...it came about a week early too."

Did you skip day 14 also? Don't skip just day 1. Skip day 14 too! (normal last day of cycle minus 14 days)