lots of questions

[dafodil]

Hello. At the risk of being redundant, I need to ask some of the same questions that I've asked in the past again because I keep getting conflictiong reports and am more confused than ever To begin with,.I think that I must be progesterone deficient . All my life I have had very very heavy clotting periods that last for ten days and when I went on SBS for BE for the first time in my life I had regular periods with no PMS ..After six months , however , I did not grow ..only had fullness and thats all..So after lots of reading on this forum , i orderd the GB enhancement blend..I began it on the first day of my period and oh my gosh what a nightmare..I had migraine headaches and horrible cramps (never experienced cramps like that even in my teen years) and heavy flooding) Also I felt dizzy all the time..yuck..So I asked questions several BEer's said to add RC and it would eliminate the problems..Then wahaika said that RC would keep you from keeping your growth..Then there was talk about using progesterone cream but then I read that RC was a progesterone blocker( or was it some other herb ) anyway, If I am in fact estrogen dominant , don't I want to not block progesterone?? I then e-mailed Joel at Greenbush and he said to first only take one pill of the enhancement blend a day as I had taken too much and also to not take it on the first day of my period..this was also the opposite of the BEer's advice..So now I quit everything and my small amount of swelling after six months on SBS has gone and my breasts are really tiny and saggy(after breastfeeding for five years),..Yes I have tried dowsing..I would like to get an answer other than "have you dowsed for the answer" because even though I really believe in dowsing (my grandfather had dowsers on his farm and they always found water sourses) I still need something more tangible i.e.;the advice of BEer's that have had the same experience..Don't know what to do next..Also I orderd the e-book from Fawn and I don't know how I am supposed to get it ,..It'has been two days and I'm a little anxious ..afraid I did the wrong thing although I did actually pay for it ..and I also e-mailed Fawn and so far have gotten no response..maybe someone knows what to do as I know many of you have also gotten the e-book..Help and sorry for such a long post>>DAFODIL>

[Jewelz]

The ebook comes to your email box, you just download it and save it on your computer.

[Islandgirl]

I use RC in my routine and am growing. I have yet to take a break, so do not know if I will lose any growth. Another lady on this board used RC and has been on a break for quite a while and has not lost anything. So I think that depends on the individual.

Cheers,
Lisa

[dafodil]

Thanks Jewelz and Islandgirl for responding..I actually did finally figure out how to get the e-book and am still trying to process the information in my head..It's alot..but I'm going to try dowsing tonight ..Here is a crazy and radical question: has anyone been diagnosed with breast or ovarian cancer while attempting to grow boobs?? Is there a risk that this is what could be happening to our bodies as a result of taking herbs and other things?? Does anyone have a comment on this subject..Radical question and probably uncomfortabel but what have I got to loose by asking? thanks ..Dafodil

[Wahaika]

Hello dafodil,

Your headaches are from taking everything all at once. Like Joel said, start slow and work up. I would go a step further and start slow with one herb then work up another then another. (You will need the 90 day kit of individual herbs to do this.)

Here is my wife's routine. See if it makes sense:
beboard.proboards107.com/index.cgi?board=Routines&action=display&thread=1074738958

For the famous Fenugreek Headaches, Red Clover is one thing that helps but you can also use hard tack candy like Jolly Rancher candy. The headache is from lowered blood sugar levels. That is why Fenugreek is good for athrosclerosis, diebetes, and a bunch of other things.

The theory with cancer and phytoestrogens is that they protect against estrogen dependent cancers (like breast cancer) by filling estrogen receptors, thus keeping the real molecule from entering, therefore starving the cell.

Another thing about cancer is that there are many causes. One thing that appears to be consistent is that cancer is fungal in nature. That is, it is anerobic. It does well in low oxygen levels by creating its energy from glucose (another good use for Fenugreek as it lowers glucose levels). Further, as oxygen levels go up, it diminishes. So, you want to keep your body in a state where it is high oxygen. The way to do this is to keep blood pH levels up in the alkaline range. There are many ways to do this. You start by eating things that are alkalizing. It goes on from there.

Did you know that pomegranate seed oil causes breast cancer cells to self destruct? It is very interesting. Go to Google.com and enter
apoptosis pomegranate
as your search criteria. Be sure to read this:
www.ats.org/news.php?id=32

Some very broad subjects here which I have only touched on. But avoiding cancer is looking very possible now that current research is validating research done as far back as the 20's and 30's on the foundational principles of cancer. It all goes back to good diet and proper exercise. Simple.

Hope this helps,

Wahaika

[dafodil]

Thank you Wahaika..I am so curious ..Do you have a background in Biology??I am actually a Biology major myself with a forte in physiology but never applied any of my knowledge to the breasts!!How interesting and intriguing..Basically, when we incorporate our NBE routines it may be likely that we're actually helping out our breasts health wise..I wish you would consider as well that there is a place where science and the paranormal meet (did you see the movie What The Bleep??) /Anyway, this dowsing thing is not at all as bizzare as you may think,,..,I am actually giving it a try and today my breasts feel very soar as a result of taking the correct amount(very small amount ) of the Greenbush herbs..My question is , has any one else experienced breast soarness after only one day on herbs??Am I loosing my mind..Dafodil

[Islandgirl]

Well now! Isn't that something............I for one shall be picking up a pomegranite or 10 on my next trip to the grocery store. ;D

Thanks,
Lisa

[Wahaika]

Hi Dafodil,

I have no background in Biology other than the reading I have done. I have not seen "What The Bleep".

I do agree that all truth can be encompassed into one, therefore science and the "paranormal" do go together in that God knows everything and we have been introduced to a limited subset.

As for dowsing, well, I still oppose dowsing. My opinion is that it is a placebo at best, and something else at worst. Dowsing seems to provide "Dumbo's Feather" effect - that is something I never explained until now. Here it goes:

The Dumbo's Feather Effect refers to using a little gimmick to trick the practitioner into doing what they were supposed to have been doing all along - usually taking that first leap of faith and taking the first step.

Those on herbal routines like Greenbush's need to have a lot of self control. It takes a lot of time to:
* Make and drink Fennel Tea
* Do a nightly massage and apply heat for 30 additional minutes (total = 45 min)
* Take a bunch of pills without fail and on an empty stomach
* Ramp up the dosages slowly
* Learn about the science behind the growth so that other experimentation can have a greater chance for success

... but most women are impatient. They do little of the above and then complain that they tried "herbs" but it didn't work.

There are no guarantees, and for almost everyone, the first routine does not always work. It takes attention to detail and being in tune with your body. It takes dedication and a resolve to be successful.

Enter the pendulum.

* Women stay in touch with their bodies - now need a device to do that - did not before.
* Women now pay close attention during dowsing when they were supposed to be paying close attention all along.
* Dowsing provides a reason to be constant and consistent but they were supposed to be consistent all along.
* Dowsing gives false sense of security - they give the pendulum the credit but if there are problems, then it is their problem, not that the pendulum is not working.
* Dowsing is cycling - keeping the body guessing. We were just begining to develop this and another ramp up method when Dowsing came along.

Now they try anything their own mind comes up with. If it is not successful, they did it wrong. It if is successful, the pendulum gets all the credit.

Are dowsers communicating with evil spirits? Proabably not. But they are training their minds to turn over control - just like the ouija board. I think this is most unwise. Others probably disagree. That's Ok. This is just my opinion.

Does it work?

Yep. And for the same reasons that anything else worked. The pendulum just gives them confidence in what they are doing enough to actually carry it through and be patient and positive.

That's most of my take on Dowsing. The rest of my take is that it is an evil practice and those practicing it, while perhaps not being evil, are most definitely deceived and are into something that they do not understand.

The other uses of herbs that are used in BE routines have a lot of peripheral uses that are really useful in other areas like addressing cancer. I was thinking of starting a page in the medical section and listing some of them.

Wahaika

[fawnmarie]

Will love to go into other issues but about receiving the book.

1) checking out at Paypal leads you to the page where you can download the book.

2) you also received a confirmation/welcome email that gives you the URL of where to download the book, the address for the support forum, etc.

Recheck that confirmation mail. Also be aware that your email program might have dumped it into your junk mail folder or otherwise filtered out the welcome mail.

If you did not receive it, or your email protection program deleted it, etc, email me at [e-mail] and I will resend the letter.

Fawn

[fawnmarie]

Daffodil,

So far we have had one woman get a nasty case of endometriosis, but she had added synthetic prescription estrogen to her routine.

No cases of breast cancer, however BE can exacerbate symptoms of benign fibrocystic breasts, and has been known to increase pre-menstrual lumpiness in some women. This premenstrual lumpiness is common in some women naturally, and can be a side effect of a BE program. In both the naturally occuring lumps and in the BE stimulated lumps, they lumpiness is reduced by the end of the actual period.

Fawn

[LadyR]

I agree with Wahaika about dowsing. When someone asks about perhaps seeing a doctor regarding a problem or to obtain some info and she is told to "just dowse", it frightens me. Yes, we must be in tune with our bodies and dowsing can be a fine way to do that, but we should not substitue dowsing for medical attention or common sense or accept it as absolute. This is not a critisism, just my opinion.

[dafodil]

thank your Fawn and Wahaika for responding ..I must say , in all due respect, Wahaika, that as women we have been programed all of our lives to not listen to our bodies and if there is a tool that helps us gain confidence in the ability to listen to ourselves, then it can only be positive. Throughout history people have used "tools" in order to connect themselves
to their "higher conciousness" ..In fact , wihtout knowing it , Wahaika, you actually validated dowsing by saying that it just causes women to pay attention to things that they should already have been paying attention to..If you read all the literature on dowsing you will see that it is just that ..a "tool" to help the user to "hear " what their subconcious and their bodies already know deep inside..It just gives them the confidence they need to believe what they hear from within..So you see , the answers that one comes to with dowsing actually come form oneself..If Dumbo needs a feather to show him that he can fly, there's certainly nothing wrong with that.. And after he gains the confidence by using that feather, later he'll be able to fly without it'....It's all good , Dafodil

[dafodil]

Wahaika, to be fair I forgot to add that It really does kind of bother me when I get the response "just dowse for it" because when I ask questions on this board, i really am looking for solid answers that came form past experience..I do think , as I said above , that dowsing can be an effective tool when used the right way combined with all the other solid knowledge that all of you have worked so hard to figure out ..enough said..Peace..Dafodil

[pixiedust]

dafodil said:

Wahaika, to be fair I forgot to add that It really does kind of bother me when I get the response "just dowse for it" because when I ask questions on this board, i really am looking for solid answers that came form past experience..I do think , as I said above , that dowsing can be an effective tool when used the right way combined with all the other solid knowledge that all of you have worked so hard to figure out ..enough said..Peace..Dafodil

I agree with you dafofil, i have recently started dowsing and whislst trying to work things out i was just constantly told to dowse it which bothers me because id rarther have information and facts about things before i dowse. Its all confusing for a lil while ;D

[lilsx1]

Ladies, when you ask specific questions about what worked for other people, are you not asking because you want to try it? What works for one woman might not work for another... Look at the routines section - so many different routines because we are all so different! Some are estrogen or progesterone deficient in which case 2 very extremely opposite routines are needed. Say you are estrogen dominant and you ask another lady who is progesterone dominant for advice - most likely you will not see results and may even harm your body with that info. If you know your body and are researching info. there is tons of it out there... Dowsing is just a tool that connects you on a higher and better level then you already know yourself. Yes, we are in tune with our bodies to a degree but this tool better utilizes our energies and targets certain areas. I disagree that it is "Dumbo's feather". I have always been in tune and done MUCH research based on my body type and tried for years and stuck with routines to get results and nothing happened. Yes, I was confident in myself and yes, I was in tune with my body and yes, I stuck with the routine that I CAREFULLY researched using websites and information from other BE'ers (so to speak) and not once did I see ANY growth UNTIL I started dowsing. There are people on here that have grown without dowsing - perhaps if you want to find out how they did it you can use whatever they utilized according to your body type and needs. Do whatever works for you! If you don't want to dowse talk to people who don't dowse. Just for the record though - the percentage of people that have succeeded is larger among dowsers. So I guess I am just sick and tired of both sides arguing and I am sick of people saying it doesn't work. I went from an A to a C - pushing a D now, and it is BECAUSE of dowsing. I have been doing this for years and dowsing is what helped me the most. So don't diss it - if it isn't for you that's fine but don't go and say it doesn't work! It does work for a lot of people. I don't push dowsing but I don't want to hear the negative things people say about it just like I don't say you all are wasting time and money on your endeavors. Wahaiki - what has your success been? Have you or your wife or whoever gained a couple cup sizes yet? If so, great, sounds like you know a TON about everything so I am sure you will be a great asset to everyone on this board that doesn't want to dowse. For those that want to dowse there are others happy to help and who have grown 1-3 or so sizes that would show you how you can do it too. Just pick one and do it!