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Post by fawnmarie on Apr 26, 2005 8:02:10 GMT -5
Wahaika,
If you REALLY need anyone to remind you about your posts calling dowsers "witches" and saying that "Christian Women Should Know Better" and about such diving methods being banned by the Old Testament, then you obviously have memory problems.
(You know, you never DID get back and tell us if you also followed other commands in the Old Testament about not cutting your hair around your face, eating cheese and drinking milk with meat and not sleeping in the same bed as your wife when she is on her period.)
You could not conceive that you were rude when you wrote them. In your egotistical and condesending religious certitude (that reads more like a DSM-VI definition than a philosophy), you couldn't see how incredible rude you were then.
You won't see it now. So I won't waste my time searching to find your posts. And quite frankly, I don't care to have to read them again.
Fawn
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Post by Wahaika on Apr 26, 2005 10:04:00 GMT -5
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Post by Wenonae on Apr 26, 2005 12:04:36 GMT -5
Hey!! This was my gripe No other pissing contests alllowed..lol??? Seriously Wahaika, how's your wife's breast development growing? Also, have you done any further research or reading on dowsing since your first posts? Do you still think dowsing is just 'fake' and completely a mental delusion?
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Post by flatandgreen on Apr 26, 2005 19:51:12 GMT -5
Yowza. This rift has been going on for longer than I knew. I clicked on a few of Wahaika's links and was overwhelmed with how ANGRY people are about this. Since I'm a new member and skeptical even though I dowse (after all, I don't have boobs yet), I guess I can tell you what I've found on this board and what I've been looking for on this board. There are a lot of dowsers who are just so excited that they want you trying it too. However, a far too common response is that people don't have to do their homework to find out what an herb does, because they can just dowse. This may be true, but it leaves the person who was asking for advice feeling as though their question wasn't valid because she wasn't dowsing correctly. Perhaps, suggesting to a dowser that she ask about "such and such an herb because that had a positive effect for others" would be a more welcoming and informative response, especially when she may not be sure where to start. I mean, who wants to run down the ENTIRE list of herbs, minerals, and essential fatty acids or possibly bovine ovary out there when she can be guided to check in a historically more promising and scientifically backed direction instead? If the person asking the guestion is not a dowser, of course you could always recommend dowsing. If it's clear that she's not interested in dowsing, then you can just suggest things that have been known to work, always cautioning that everyone's body responds differently. Either way, "just dowse" seems an insufficient response that writes off the poster's concerns. The people who aren't dowsing do seem to be a minority, but at least in my time here (just under a year, including lurking) they haven't seemed too opposed to dowsers. Their voices deserve to be heard, especially because they can help newcomers who aren't sure they want to try dowsing. I think most of us have agreed to disagree on this issue and have called an [uneasy] truce. I'm really glad that nobody's left this board because of this rift. I find this a really helpful, supportive community. Who else can I talk with about wanting to cultivate some fatty tissue on my chest in aesthetically pleasing lumps? People would think I was psycho for worrying about my chest that much and ridicule me for taking herbs that haven't been backed by scientific proof that can be replicated again and again in clinical trials. Thank goodness there's somewhere I can discuss this. No matter how skeptical any of us are, we're still here trying something that science hasn't so far been able to back. Otherwise, we'd have a single multi-vitamin on shelves already and there'd be some new billionaire in the world. Also, whatever Wahaika's reasons for being on this board he provides incredibly detailed information that I've found valuable. Clearly, I'm a pinko-commi-queer lesbian who dowses -- I'm certain he and I have a few things we could argue about -- but I appreciate his research. Wahaika, is your wife "Madre de siete?" Does that mean she REALLY has SEVEN children . Childbirth terrifies me. If so, congrats to you both for being able to commit to your life you and your wife have made.
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Post by Wenonae on Apr 26, 2005 20:52:30 GMT -5
There are a lot of dowsers who are just so excited that they want you trying it too. However, a far too common response is that people don't have to do their homework to find out what an herb does, because they can just dowse. This may be true, but it leaves the person who was asking for advice feeling as though their question wasn't valid because she wasn't dowsing correctly. Perhaps, suggesting to a dowser that she ask about "such and such an herb because that had a positive effect for others" would be a more welcoming and informative response, especially when she may not be sure where to start. I mean, who wants to run down the ENTIRE list of herbs, minerals, and essential fatty acids or possibly bovine ovary out there when she can be guided to check in a historically more promising and scientifically backed direction instead? Love your suggestion and discussions, but... The reality is, people should do more of their own homework. If they are whining that someone did not bother to bring an explanation to them on a platter, then too bad, too sad. This is a collective forum where folks volunteer information. No one is entitled to anything. In fact, its mostly the same folks posting the responses anyways. Most of the same ones have paid a ton of 'posting and responding' dues, so if we're tired of repeating; this should be understandable because we're only human. I was part of the group that helped to evaluate a move specifically to this forum BECAUSE it had search functions that MSN didn't offer so people could be enabled. So we're here, and still many of the same questions are being asked, so I've GOT to assume that 1.) they read it and want another suggestion (dowse )or 2.) they didn't bother to look it up at all to which, eh, not my major concern. I really encourage all who have concern about someone posting the response 'dowse', to indeed start posting in those same threads to those repeat questions & definitions all the time...you'll see soon how old it gets- fast. Be sure you copy and paste links with added explanations and your opinions..the whole nine yards- not some half done job, mind you, and every single time. I'll give you about 6 months before you're like... . For those who do NOT know, there's an awesome search engine called 'Google' www.google.com which provides excellent results for looking up basic things. The others are good info too (Yahoo, MSN), but Google exceeds as far as content by far. I found half of my information there and the rest I literally copied and pasted from Fawn's comments, collated them and memorized them. Yes, took time, but worth the effort. Others can easily do the same. On MSN I had to open each link, and read all the threads. Here, at least you just use the search option. So before "entitlement of response" becomes the subject of this thread, let's just remember it's voluntary information offered that's not written in stone anyways and people can really search up the definitions what they need if they really want it. Wen'
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Post by Wenonae on Apr 26, 2005 21:02:08 GMT -5
The people who aren't dowsing do seem to be a minority, but at least in my time here (just under a year, including lurking) they haven't seemed too opposed to dowsers. Their voices deserve to be heard, especially because they can help newcomers who aren't sure they want to try dowsing. Must be a lotta closet dowsers who don't post.... I don't really see that dowers are a majority here. Yes, there seems to be 10 folks in the last month post abt trying it out, but maybe MAX 30 outta 850+ members isn't most of the board...I'm thinking. Sure has been some DARN interesting fussings and discussions of recent again...that's for sure. Dowsing taking over all of the board members..nah. Better success ratios for sensations and growth...o, yeah..will put my name on the dotted line for that one. Wen'
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Post by flatandgreen on Apr 26, 2005 22:40:00 GMT -5
Maybe we're just more vocal. ;D At any rate, it seems to be that the people who post most often and regularly dowse. I could be off-base, perhaps just noticing the "dowse" posts more since I started dowsing...dunno. Also, I do get that repeat questions can be extremely irritating. With a little digging, I've found everything I thought to look for on this forum. When people don't bother to do that before they ask (even though I've done that before too ), it makes me wanna scream sometimes. I didn't mean devise a regimen for them, I just meant respond somewhat more flexibly to questions as you are able.
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Post by Wahaika on Apr 27, 2005 0:20:58 GMT -5
>>Seriously Wahaika, how's your wife's breast development growing? Hi Wen, My wife is into her second month of an extended break to lose some of the squishies. She's asked that I not give measurements and such, but I will say that she has been doing extremely well. We found something that works and are going to stay on the same track except for one addition. >>Also, have you done any further research or reading on dowsing since your first posts? Do you still think dowsing is just 'fake' and completely a mental delusion? No further research. My opinion on the practice has not changed. I still think that dowsing is a variation of cycling. I definitely do not buy into the pseudoscience surrounding some of the discussions on how it works. I think it makes anyone practicing it to the point of replacing the skill of trial and error, become dependent on it. Whether dowsing works or not seems a mute point. I don't remember ever questioning that, only that I disagreed with the method, ethically. There are some having success with it. Who can argue with that? I don't see that dowsing is any better than "trial and error" and I do miss the unified effort of trying to figure the whole thing out. If others are interested in this, I think that would be some good discussion, dowsing or not, repetitive or not. I'm waiting until someone finally reaches their final goal, walks away, and one year later has not lost more than 1/2 inch. That's the real test for any method. We need to start another thread on mass vs. measurement. I think there are many on the board who may not think that they have not been successful but in reality, they have. It goes back to the "number of receptors" theory in madredesiete's routine and proportions. Maybe we call it the discussion of similar triangles. Whaddya think? Wahaika
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Post by Wahaika on Apr 27, 2005 0:22:41 GMT -5
Hi flatandgreen, Howdy. My reasons for being on this board, and the previous MSN board, and Melo's board, and BOB's board before that, are to try and figure out this puzzle. I enjoy the research, the discussion, and the potential benefits. I have learned a BUNCH of stuff in other areas because of this subject and all of the tangential subjects to it found when doing the research. Yep, seven children. What a zoo it is! You definitely stay on your toes. I highly recommend it to anyone. (If you don't mind constantly bordering on insanity) Wahaika
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Post by Wenonae on Apr 27, 2005 15:22:42 GMT -5
I'm waiting until someone finally reaches their final goal, walks away, and one year later has not lost more than 1/2 inch. That's the real test for any method. We need to start another thread on mass vs. measurement. I think there are many on the board who may not think that they have not been successful but in reality, they have. It goes back to the "number of receptors" theory in madredesiete's routine and proportions. Maybe we call it the discussion of similar triangles. Whaddya think? Wahaika A boob scale...now that'd be an interesting contraption!!! . Also I totally agree. The real final test is 3, 6, 12+ months after stopping the routine, is the breast growth still there? Also, I think the general science part has been figured out as far as the ramping concept as many dowsers report similar ramps as you detailed in madre's routine and as Fawn postulated on the old MSN board. The rest of what needs to be scientifically determined is how to know which herbs will actually work towards growing permanent breast growth without side effects (or even with side effects) for each genetic make-up....that's the missing key, in my opinion. Without a ton of lab equipment, financial backing, and ready subjects, it's a task too humugous for me to even THINK about too hard. It'd be interesting if someone else does, though.
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Post by blueangel on Dec 6, 2005 22:17:56 GMT -5
i think that since everybody is unique,so is thier routine.it would be impossible for for anybody or everybody to have the exact routine and results.
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Post by HoneeBee on Dec 7, 2005 12:42:42 GMT -5
i dont dowse anymore but i do believe that it can work and i totally agree with wen. you cant knock what you havnt tried. i was on Eve's board giving some ladies heck about bashing dowsing, dowsers and this forum to the point where i got a whole post dedicated to lil ol' me. lol.
i can understand where the non-believers come from. but most of them dont even give it a try first. it may not work for everyone but maybe at least 1 person may find it successful. i also tried to offer alternatives as to how dowsing may work but they aint having it either.
they think its about contacting spirits and other supernatural stuff. i personally believe its the subconscience at work and if you totally believe in what you are doing then you have the greatest chance of success.
i even hate it when a member offers dowsing as a suggestion then all of a sudden other members start criticising them and just plain being mean when it was only a suggestion.
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Post by blueangel on Dec 8, 2005 23:58:35 GMT -5
wow!this is one of the most interesting places !!
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