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Post by Jewelz on Apr 17, 2005 9:10:36 GMT -5
Next people will be saying we are some kind of evil occult group involved in witchcraft & human sacrifices. (sigh)
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Post by Wenonae on Apr 17, 2005 14:36:42 GMT -5
I'm not putting down dowsing. I'm not calling anyone a liar. I'm just saying that so far, I have not found any studies or credible sources that show that dowsing or natural breast enlargement really works. I will need to read up on it a bit more. [/color][/quote] Then do it. You've been posting the same sad song for going on years now about how flat-chested you are. Don't care if you 'convert' or not, but your 'lively discussion' posts are a drag. I can do a poll for that one too to prove a point if you'd like. It's really not us, but you by your very own actions who asks for condemnation and rolled eyes. Maybe you should start a "Everybody-hates-me-because-I'm-flat-chested-forum" since that's all you ever talk about.
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Post by Melo on Apr 17, 2005 15:17:08 GMT -5
Then do it. You've been posting the same sad song for going on years now about how flat-chested you are. Don't care if you 'convert' or not, but your 'lively discussion' posts are a drag. I can do a poll for that one too to prove a point if you'd like. It's really not us, but you by your very own actions who asks for condemnation and rolled eyes. Maybe you should start a "Everybody-hates-me-because-I'm-flat-chested-forum" since that's all you ever talk about. Maybe I will! So what if I sometimes post about feeling upset about my flat chest--I'm obviously not the only one since a lot of us are here because of our breasts. And what does THAT have to do with what we're talking about right now? I really don't give a #$%^ what you or your followers think about me. What I am more concerned about is how you guys gang up against people who have different opinions than you, the majority. Like I said, you guys have gone against both Wahaika and M97 at some points. I can't believe you would actually think of something as dumb as putting up a poll to see how many people hate ONE member. Gawdd@mn--ONE member? I think it's more about how you guys can't stand people who think differently than you do. By the way, I do NOT think that everyone hates me because I'm flat-chested--I think you and your herd hate me because I am skeptical about dowsing. Well, enough about that--why don't you guys act like the supportive board that Gigi says you are? Anyway, go ahead and hate all you want--I'm not returning it!
Get some peace for once!
Cya! ~Melody~
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Post by Wenonae on Apr 17, 2005 15:45:26 GMT -5
Sure Melo, whatever. You "Wen' ". Whether by choice or capability, you seem to have missed the general message in this thread by all who posted. Hmmm, I guess I can't fully blame you. Afterall, ignorance is bliss.....
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Post by lilsx1 on Apr 17, 2005 16:35:30 GMT -5
I think in general everyone supports everyone else on this board. However, when you make comments that people are lying or editing pics or straight out "dissing" someone, it no longer is a discussion or debate. It is fine to say things like "I don't agree or I don't think this or that would work for me" but don't bash what others do or complain consistantly without actually giving anything a try. Not only that but since you haven't tried everything you can not prove or make a statement that it doesn't work, because how would you know. That in itself is not supportive. It is really degrading to call us a herd or followers as well. Wen just introduced a new way to help people grow and she has helped many people attain cup sizes. That is like saying that everyone on here that uses herbs is a herd and everyone that uses something else is a herd and then the dowsers are a herd. WTF are you talking about?!! If anything we are all ecstatic to be able to go shopping and fill out bikinis this summer!!! So shoot if that's a herd than I would rather be following that then flat with you and wahaiki
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Post by fawnmarie on Apr 18, 2005 11:39:43 GMT -5
Well, this is Wen's rant, and that's okay - that's what this section is here for, afterall.
But in Melo's defense, she's pretty skeptical about ALL the NBE stuff, not just the dowsing routine, and she sort of has a right to be considering what's happened with her and NBE. But she is, in fact, pretty equally skeptical about every single product, formula or technique that is proposed as an NBE method.
Melo - it's wasn't so much a 'conspiracy' with Wahaika, he was being pretty rude and insulting. Even those of us who don't dowse (including me, BTW) was put off by his condenscending comments and his quoting of the Bible as a reason NOT to dowse.
Melo, you've been skeptical - and have every right to be. I don't see where you've been rude or insulting, and as a woman, you certainly at least have a say in the subject.
I think Wen is just tired of trying to help people and being labeled a fraud, when she isn't.
Fawn
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Post by Melo on Apr 19, 2005 3:52:49 GMT -5
However, when you make comments that people are lying or editing pics or straight out "dissing" someone, it no longer is a discussion or debate. It is fine to say things like "I don't agree or I don't think this or that would work for me" but don't bash what others do or complain consistantly without actually giving anything a try.*** ***** It is really degrading to call us a herd or followers as well. Wen just introduced a new way to help people grow and she has helped many people attain cup sizes. That is like saying that everyone on here that uses herbs is a herd and everyone that uses something else is a herd and then the dowsers are a herd. WTF are you talking about?!! Hi Lilsx (and anyone else concerned),
I'm really sorry if some of my comments seemed to go against you. I know you guys are a terrific group. Sometimes I felt like I would be hated if I did not do dowsing or if I was too skeptical. I hope that is not the case, but I will still be OK if it is.
I just wanted to let you know too that I do NOT think that everyone is a liar here. I'm just saying that to me, sometimes the success stories of natural breast enlargement seem to good to be true, and that it IS possible that someone could be lying about their success with natural breast enlargement--noticed that I used the word "possible," NOT the word "certain"!
I guess I used the word "herd" and "followers" for my strange way of seeing things (humor maybe?)--I mean, I felt that if I did not do what everyone else does, then maybe I would be excluded or frowned upon--I don't know for sure, but that's what it felt like. And I did see some things happen against Wahaika and M97 too, so maybe I'm seeing things (I'm probably wrong in how I'm seeing things though).
I know this is the gripes section, so we get a lot of flaming words here. I don't see how I complained too much about being flat-chested here though. I do more of that on general breast discussion boards that are not about breast enlargement, but about breasts in general. And I'll admit that being flat-chested makes me feel depressed sometimes (maybe by saying that, that counts as complaining to you, but I don't really think so). But if I mention it, I do NOT want anyone to feel "sorry" for me.
Even though I never really posted much in the Gripes section until now, I wouldn't want anyone to feel restricted from posting about how depressed they feel from being flat-chested or from any other matter. I've NEVER made a thread on this forum saying "Boo-hoo, being flat chested sucks" in the subject, but if someone did, I'd try to offer them some empathy at the very least!
But in Melo's defense, she's pretty skeptical about ALL the NBE stuff, not just the dowsing routine, and she sort of has a right to be considering what's happened with her and NBE. But she is, in fact, pretty equally skeptical about every single product, formula or technique that is proposed as an NBE method.
Yes, I am skeptical toward natural breast enlargement including dowsing. I haven't had success with natural breast enlargement. I've never met anyone in real like who has either. And I also have not read any scientific studies that prove that natural breast enlargement after puberty (without assistance of weight-gain or pregnancy) is possible. But I'm still here to learn. It just might take me a long time to understand everything, but I will try my best.
Melo - it's wasn't so much a 'conspiracy' with Wahaika, he was being pretty rude and insulting. Even those of us who don't dowse (including me, BTW) was put off by his condenscending comments and his quoting of the Bible as a reason NOT to dowse
I did not read everything that Wahaika said, but I understand that he is a Christian and has different views about dowsing. I'm not really religious myself (I hope I'm not discriminated for this!), but I thought that he had the right to his own views of dowsing. Maybe he was trying to warn and help other Christians on the forum. Of course, people who have the same religion may or may not share the same views on a certain subject.
Well, I just wanted to let you guys know that I'm not trying to start any fires by being skeptical. I'm also NOT calling anyone a "liar." I just find some things, such as natural breast enlargement, difficult for me to believe.
Because I tend to rely on clinical or scientific data, maybe one of the better "solutions for a skeptic" such as myself is to dowse an ingredients list and check the list with a doctor or herbalist. I hope I don't sound "goody-good" for feeling the need to check with a health care professional before trying something, but I don't trust myself--I ain't no doctor. And I don't want to put my health in danger.
That's all!
Cya! ~Melody~
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Post by flatandgreen on Apr 19, 2005 8:09:27 GMT -5
Melo, I understand about being skeptic. Most of my posts start with "Maybe I'll try this, but I'm so afraid it won't work!" I prectically beg for people to assuage my fears that I'll end up feeling foolish. I'm also so new to dowsing that I'm not among the group of loyal be-dowsers yet. If I were a successful dowser, I could see feeling irritated by the skeptics. However, I tend to like when other people post some of their worries or doubts because it makes me realize I'm not alone in feeling a little silly sometimes I bought the e-book out of a moment of crazy desperation and tried dowsing from the same. I kept it a secret from everyone (as well as the jars of embarrassing Mirifem under my sink). Once I was so excited because my P was swinging so strongly that I showed two friends. One of them said it was just a subconscious thing we do with our forearm muscles and it's far more exciting than it should be to us. I agonized for days if she was right and if it was safe for me to use a BE guage. I'm only 19 and could be harming my body. I decided to keep on with my routine and just did my own little experiment to see if dowsing works that I just posted in Alternative Methods. I'm glad I let that moment of desperation get the better of me that once, even though I felt extremely silly for a good while.
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Post by Wenonae on Apr 19, 2005 13:19:43 GMT -5
Honestly, I have NOT one problem with skepticism. In fact, that's very healthy. I'm in the technical industry and analyze a LOT of things, still do with my dowsing. I have no problem if you don't believe in dowsing because you haven't heard of it. I have no problem if you don't believe in dowsing after reading material. I DO have a problem if I say I grew and someone says your pictures are not proof or forums are just 'texts' and who's to know if anything is real- alluding to that. I DO have a problem if someone says they don't understand something, but then does nothing to rectify the situation (like read material to become more informed or talk to someone until some kind of understanding is had). <-- a pet peeve. While, I really feel for anyone trying to grow boobs who won't consider dowsing because so many who've tried dowsing for boobs are reaching their goals; it's STILL that's their perogative. Really though, I'm just saying don't post behind my testimonial all the time saying that I probably didn't grow and that dowsing is dangerous. . Honestly, I'm really calm for about a year's worth of posts. Just that I had one at the 366th day, and just .
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Post by LadyR on Apr 25, 2005 12:32:20 GMT -5
Wow! I don't post here often, but I do check in and read almost daily as I too am looking for information. What I am finding however, is one group of BE'rs pitted against another group of BE'rs as a result of their BE methods.
Look, I happen to be a very spiritual person, yet I'm here to get info. Proven facts. I can't tell you how it upsets me to see someone ask about something and be told to "just dowse" for the answer. I really don't think that is why any one of us came to this site to begin with.
There are those that believe that dowsing works for them and that's fine, but maybe they should have their own site to go to. I mean, imaging logging on to the IRS website to get info about how much you will owe in taxes this year and being told to "dowse" for the answer. Suppose a student asks his teacher to explain something to him and she tells him to close his eyes and meditate for the answer. Maybe they should just consult a Quija board. It's really the same thing, you know.
As stated, I am quite spiritual and have no doubt that dowsing is working for many of you, but again, I was led to believe that this site would provide info regarding the types of BE programs available; herbs, BO, vitamins, minerals, tangible things. I may decide to close my eyes at night and ask God if these things will help me, but I certainly don't want anyone telling me that this is how I should be doing it. See what I'm saying?
Those of you who have found some success with dowsing have become rather defensive about your method. You must understand that while it seems very normal to you it is not for many, many people. You can offer the option but if people poo poo it, why not just let them be? I've read posts from someone almost admonishing another poster because she didn't have time to dowse or wasn't sure if she was doing it right. Geez! Cool off. If it works for you, fine. Spread the word and let it go.
I think I'm really tired of coming to this site anyway.
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Post by Wenonae on Apr 25, 2005 13:55:23 GMT -5
Those of you who have found some success with dowsing have become rather defensive about your method. You must understand that while it seems very normal to you it is not for many, many people. You can offer the option but if people poo poo it, why not just let them be? I've read posts from someone almost admonishing another poster because she didn't have time to dowse or wasn't sure if she was doing it right. Geez! Cool off. If it works for you, fine. Spread the word and let it go. I think I'm really tired of coming to this site anyway. Nice comments. My personal gripe was that folks come behind me and other dowsers to say specifically that "who's to say we've grown or that the pictures are good not enough proof." That is a direct attack. To your point, when it comes to understanding how herbs react in a person's body and someone asks about it, it's GREAT to give a specific answer. This herb will always do 'this' in your body. But guess what? that's not always true. To my defense these days I feel much more confortable saying 'dowse= get to know yourself' versus telling someone advice that really may not be true. I mean come-on...How many times have we heard that fenugreek will help with milk lactaction or breast growth. Someone tries it and gets hypertension or headaches? This means it won't work without negative side effects. This goes for any herb or anything we consume. Scary to think some folks will take advice from someone they don't know. Working with numbers for your taxes or mixing concrete for building a house and many other 'dry' things, yes, explicit instructions can be given, and you will wind up with the same results if followed. Not true here and in health related issues. We can only speak about chances for something helping, but not abosulte end results stuff which I'd much rather, personally. Also, I've paid many a dues explaining what the chances are for something, only to come back and have someone say "my gosh, this didn't work..or I had this side effect", so I've stopped. However, my comments are still very very searchable here, if one cares to look. Anyways, I'm only touchy when someone says I'm a fake and that what I did to grow (dowsing) is dangerous, as in I made chemical explosions risky to the life of an individual. Yes, I'll take it personally if you directly and continually post that same thing behind any postitive testimony I have. Not only that, but they haven't even grown their own chest. So who are they to knock someone's results? Like I said, I have no problem with skepticism for dowsing. These forums are the best thing going for communicating with real people with real testimonies. just no need to bring someone's truthful share down and discourage others. Wen'
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Post by Dollie on Apr 25, 2005 19:16:27 GMT -5
Lady R, there is another BE board www.realhealthmethod.com/and it has tons of info on increasing breast, plus dowsing. I've learned a lot from this site but more from that site' After 4 years of trail and error and an 2 inch increase and then loosing it all. I'm dowsing and have gotten fuller and even on a 5 week break I didn't loose anything.
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Post by Wahaika on Apr 25, 2005 23:37:01 GMT -5
Dollie,
I'm glad you found Wen's site so informative.
What kind of routine are you on?
Wahaika
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Post by Wahaika on Apr 25, 2005 23:40:16 GMT -5
LadyR
Well said. Logic does get in way doesn't it! There are still a few here who post some good information.
What regimine are you following? Have you filled out a stats or routines page? I didn't see one and just thought I would ask.
Wahaika
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Post by Wahaika on Apr 25, 2005 23:41:08 GMT -5
Fawn,
You said I was rude. Please point me to the message.
Wahaika
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