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Post by Chickydee on Dec 9, 2003 21:22:36 GMT -5
I have a question for Fawn, I'm on break from BE and have been for quite some time due to excess hair loss......my hair is improving, however still losing some but not to the extreme that I had been. Anyway right now while on break from BE I'm concentrating on my skin and toning. After my last child I have this pooch and it's mainly due to excess skin. Right now I'm using strivectin to help with those major stretchies! I'm also going to start excercising routinely to improve my tummy and rear ( that seems to be a headin south  ) I'm also taking l tyrosine. Sooo.....my question is......do u think it would be a good idea to take a pituitary glandular for my skin? I don' t know much about this. What do u think? Thanks for your time!  |
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Post by Wenonae on Dec 9, 2003 21:59:20 GMT -5
And what's the general recommended dosage, for BE and otherwise? ;D
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Post by fawnmarie on Dec 10, 2003 13:40:12 GMT -5
Chicky - depends on how old you are. Make sure you're eating right, doing the right kind of exercise first, etc. You need adequate protein (80+ grams per day), lower carbohydrate and omega 3 oils for skin, hair & muscles. Pituitary glandular is an option, but not the first best choice. Precursors like arginine & ornithine are probably better.
Wen - since there is absolutely NO data on pituitary glandular for BE, I can't really answer your question about recommended dosage for BE. I will have to look up the standard dose for general purposes. Unlike BO for BE, I would not recommend loading up on it.
There really IS no "recommended" dose, because it's beyond the standard protocols and experimental at this point. Unlike some of these other supplements, where there have been enough women using it for long enough that we have some idea which dose is ideal.
Because of this, manufacturer's standard dose is recommended.
I use Solaray brand right now, and have been using it so long, I don't even remember how much is in it. I'm off BE til January, because I'm already having trouble fitting into a dress I need to wear to a wedding, because my boobs are too big for it. So... when I start again in Jan, I'll be the VP brand and will do some experimenting.
Right now, Wen, your guess is as good as mine.
Personally, I don't think it should be used by anyone under 30, though. At least not on any kind of regular basis.
Fawn
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Post by Wenonae on Dec 10, 2003 13:54:16 GMT -5
Okey, dokey, Fawn-
So, then, how much of the L'orth and L-arg are recomended? So far, I've seen studies talk about huge amounts like 3g's and such.
I'm thinking that 500mg of each should be the best starting point..with a max of 1g each. What's ur experience, if any?
Have you heard of 'maxing' out on precursors? I've also run into discussions saying that using precursors for more than 3 months at a time is not recommended for ur body to continue to respond to it.
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Post by fawnmarie on Dec 10, 2003 17:06:58 GMT -5
Three months sounds about right, or even running shorter cycles than that - three weeks on, one week off. Okay - possible sides... Arginine can indeed cause flare-ups of cold sores and herpes. Use lysine with it. When taken properly (empty stomach), arginine can cause some diarrhea. My personal limit is about 2500 mgs before I get that. Arginine can stimulate too much nitric oxide and cause more pain in patients with chronically painful muscles. (I've found MSM alleviates this). Arginine is good for muscle building and for male sexual response. Start with 500 mgs and titrate up 500 mgs every 3-4 days. Three grams should be perfectly safe, though there have been some concerns about the mega doses being used by some folks (15 grams +). Personally, I get the trots long before I get that high.  But 1500-3000 mgs should be perfectly safe and okay and you can split it up and take it whenever your stomach is empty. And like most things, should be cycled as you suggested. I think most people naturally cycle their supplements just from running out, forgetting, being too busy, etc. On another note - Tyrosine - is not an hgh precursor, but there are a lot of people using it here. I did want to point out that tyrosine can cause panic attacks, nervousness and anxiety - and other symptoms of hyperthyroid. Tyrosine should be titrated slowly and carefully. Start with 500 in the am, then after a 4-5 days, add one in the early afternoon. If you titrate up to 2,000 mgs and still get no relief in energy or body temperature, you need to approach it differently. Add iodine or kelp, etc. Going over 2,000 mgs is not recommended. Fawn |
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Post by Wenonae on Dec 11, 2003 14:31:24 GMT -5
Wouldn't also at least 1g of Vitamin C be of benefit to help the skin heal/regenerate well?
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Post by fawnmarie on Dec 12, 2003 10:10:31 GMT -5
Sure would - but isn't part of "HGH" protocol - which covers more than skin regeneration.
Vitamin C is always good.
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Post by Venus on Dec 12, 2003 10:28:39 GMT -5
I just want to make sure I got this right. Even though the pituitary glandular is like BO (also a glandular), it should be taken on an empty stomach, right before bed....not with food like BO?
I attempted to try the arginine/ornithine combo, along with Lysine, but 2 days later I got a cold sore...haven't had one in well over a year. So, that's out for me. I'd like to try the pit glandular and see if that helps any, but just wanted to make sure I take it right.
Thanks,
Venus
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Post by Suze on Dec 12, 2003 10:36:47 GMT -5
Correct me if I'm wrong, but given the peptidic nature of most interesting substances found in the pituitary, I'd think it doesn't make much sense to swallow an extract, only to have those broken down. Taking it it through injection or the sublingual way would seem more logical.
Of course, I'd avoid taking any kind of animal visceral extract these days as developping CJD isn't a pleasant thought.
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Post by mommabean on Dec 12, 2003 10:54:38 GMT -5
Hi Suze,
Now I wish I hadn't recently deleted my links to CJD info and other interesting mad cow stuff. I have to say I agree with you concerning the pituitary glandular. I didn't feel that way about BO. In cows infected with the disease the ovaries are not considered an infective. But the brain, including the pituitary is on the list of high infectivity. I'm not about to trust the companies who market these products to screen all cows for disease. Therefore, I'd not consider taking pituitary glandular. The site I had was interesting though. All the body parts and glands were rated in 4 levels of possible infectivity. I'm sure interested people could find the same info with a little digging.
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Post by mommabean on Dec 12, 2003 10:58:20 GMT -5
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Post by Suze on Dec 12, 2003 18:18:29 GMT -5
I was mentioning cjd about pituitary, yes. Besides, unlike steroids and most neuro-transmitters, lots of peptidic hormones have quite a high inter-species variability in structure. Bio-reactor made recombinant products would be much better: safer, more efficient, and probably cheaper when considering the low amount of interesting substances in raw glandular extracts.
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Post by mommabean on Dec 30, 2003 17:50:31 GMT -5
How is everyone feeling about ingesting pituitary glandular at the moment? I know it was just one cow...found anyway...but with the emphasis on the disease being harbored in the brain and spinal column I was wondering if the users will continue using so to speak. ?
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Post by Wenonae on Dec 30, 2003 21:01:06 GMT -5
How is everyone feeling about ingesting pituitary glandular at the moment? I know it was just one cow...found anyway...but with the emphasis on the disease being harbored in the brain and spinal column I was wondering if the users will continue using so to speak. ? Honestly, I'm still interested, even though I'm exploring other avenues first. Trying to get past this 'stall' thing. The 'girls' are recovered...now the trick is to keep moving forward. Here's to 'progress'. |
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Post by fawnmarie on Dec 31, 2003 11:18:45 GMT -5
Suze - generally sublingual or injectible is more effective, but most of us are limited to what products are available and what form.
I find it interesting that glandular therapy has become standard Veterinary practice, as well as standard practice for thyroid glandular support, but otherwise is consider "hooey".
Ah well - in the words of "Evil Roy Slade" - you can't cure everything at once.
As for CJD - the source of the animal as well as their diet, is the determining factor for infection. Apparently CJD is passed from cow to cow (and to humans) through the consumption (by the cows, mind you) of infected brains and nerve tissue of other cows.
So - what are cows doing eating other cows?
I dunno - it's disgustin', I know that much. I also know I'm going to have to start looking at organic beef from here on out.
Apparently byproducts of slaughter are integrated into commercial feed for other cows.
So, logically, consuming only grass fed or grain fed cows would avoid the whole CJD issue. I do know that the glandulars from VP are taken from Argetinian or New Zealand cattle, only grass fed with no pesticides or hormones used on the feed.
But as I stated - I think a good first start for HGH production is lifestyle/eating changes and the inclusion of the right amino acids - arginine/ornithine - or glutamine.
HGH precursor sublingual sprays are also available, but usually pretty expensive.
Fawn
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