Rhondahz's Routine

[rhondahz]

Started NBE on July 10th
Cycle day 11

Sex: Female
Age: 39
Number of Children: 4 Had first child at 17
How many breastfed: 0
Height: 5’6
Weight: 116
Bust: 33
Underbust: 30
Cup Size: A
Right breast: 6.50 – 7
Left breast: 7 – 7.5

Period is regular, 28 day cycle.

Diet consists of mainly fish and chicken, different rice’s and vegetables, lots of fruits, and diary products. I have a ½ cup of coffee in am, water and juice throughout day; and Busteau tea from Greenbush in am and pm. No chocolate usually maybe a drumstick once a week if that.

Exercise at least 3 times a week. Stair stepper for 20 minutes and weight machines for 20 minutes. I do mainly leg exercises and two exercises for arms with medium weights, high reps.

Tried Natureday for 6months with some results after the first 3months, then each month they would swell before period, and then deflate to original size afterwards. This time results were pretty much within a week and have stayed so far. I lost a little bit after 1st cycle but not all growth like before with Natureday.

Oh yea, I come from small breasted women on my fathers side and large breasted women on my mothers side. Great grandmother, grandmother, mother and sister have in between a D and DD size breasts.

Brand of herbs taken unless stated is “Natures Way”

Fenugreek 610mg 3/day
Fennel 480mg 3/day
Sam Palmento 585mg 3/day
Red Clover 500 mg 3/day
One a day multi vitamin

Breasts are fuller and very tender; increased dosage after 1 week:

Fenugreek 610mg 6/day
Fennel 480mg 6/day
Sam Palmento 585mg 6/day
Red Clover 500 mg 6/day
One a day multi vitamin

Massage oil: (Only massaging smaller breast)
Aveno lotion, Enhancement Blend Extract, 20 minutes with heating pad at night

I purchased Enhancement blend from Greenbush when I was running low on individual herbs.

Morning: 6 Enhancement Blend capsules, One a day multi vitamin
Lunch: 2 Fenugreek, 2 Fennel, 2 Saw Palmento, 2 Red Clover
Dinner: 6 Enhancement Blend capsules

No growth or growing pains, I believe that I am stalled. I had growing pains at first; nothing for last week.

Found BE Board!!! Change routine after reading posts on BE board. I’m going to quit taking the enhancement blend, will use for maintenance later on after I reach my goal. I am going to cut dosage in half, eliminate Red Clover, add Wild Yam and Borage Oil to oral and massage. I am steeping Borage Oil, Olive Oil and Fenugreek powder for 1 week. Will start over all herbs and ramp up on cycle day 1 if growing pains do not start back up before then.

New Routine
Aug 7th
Cycle Day 12

Fenugreek 610mg 3/day
Wild Yam 400mg 3/day
Sam Palmento 585mg 3/day
Borage Oil 1000mg 1/day bedtime
One a day multi vitamin

Massage oil: (Only massaging smaller breast)
(Day) Aveno lotion, Enhancement Blend Extract (until I use up mixture)
(Night) Borage Oil, Enhancement Blend Extract 2 drops of DSM with 20 minutes with heating pad at night

Aug 10th
Cycle Day 16

Breasts are real tender and sore.
Perhaps a 7 on a scale of 1-10.
Massaging both breasts now, smaller one has caught up enough for now.

Aug 11th
Cycle Day 17

Fenugreek 610mg 3/day
Wild Yam 400mg 3/day
Sam Palmento 585mg 3/day
Borage Oil 1000mg 1/day bedtime
One a day multi vitamin
Zinc 30mg
Vitamin C 500mg
Vitamin E 400 IU

Massage oil: (Massaging both breasts now)
Massage with Borage Oil, Enhancement Blend Extract morning and night, 2 drops of DSM with 20 minutes with heating pad at night

Breasts are still a little sore, perhaps a 3 or 4 definitely fuller and bigger, I didn’t measure at first. I believe growth to be at around 1 inch or more. They look a little fuller every day. Will post photos this evening.

[anastasia916]

Sounds like your off to a good start, hope the growth keeps coming for you, good luck!

[ShyBoobs]

You n00bs are doing so well lately! I can't help but get a lil jealous @ your progress. Atleast 1" in a lil over a month? It could be the DMSO that's helping your progress tho. I'm a lil cautious about that stuff to be honest, since it can transfer like anything into the bloodstream that happens to be on your skin. Even residue from soap/body wash. But I guess you're doing a good job of keeping the skin totally clean.

Your results from using a superb carrier in massages are making me seriously consider EVOO to use in mine, since it's also suppose to be a good carrier. Maybe I'll get faster growth. ...Maybe. ;D

[rhondahz]

I started with the borage oil and the DMSO the same evening. I decided to incorporate these into my routine after reviewing Madredesiete's routine. I definitely noticed a change from using these. I've had no side effects or strange things happen from using the DMSO, just be sure to start with clean breasts and hands. I would definitely try using borage oil in your massages.

I am on day 18 of my cycle, so we will see how much of this I retain after AF.

[rhondahz]

BTW is there a way to insert your photos in a quick reply message or new thread?

[ShyBoobs]

Well that's good to hear. I am using EPO in my massage, which is similar to borage oil. But I really think it's the EVOO (extra virgin olive oil in case you weren't sure) that I'm missing, to get better absorption.

anastasia had left a message for you in her thread about pics: I posted mine on photobucket, you can use any pic hosting site really, once you upload them on there, get the html code from each, [paste] the code where ever you want them to appear in your message on your posts

[rhondahz]

That is good to know about the EVOO. I have some that has been steeping over a week with borage oil and fenugreek powder. Now I'm a little more excited to try it, I haven't been looking forward to the powdery mess.

Do you know when luteral swelling usually occurs? (How many days before) My breasts have not swelled before my period or during since way back in the day. That is before I started this NBE journey.

[anastasia916]

I tried mixing fennel seed and fenugreek powder in EVOO but it was very exfoliating like, which was fine at first, but after a while it irritated my skin too much and I broke out, (I have psoriasis). Now I make my own lotion and mix in fennel and fenugreek extract in the liquid part of the lotion making. And I add in lavender essential oil to cover the FG smell. Some use peppermint. I might try peppermint next time I make the lotion. I have a full (8oz maybe?) bottle of lotion made, so it will last me a while. I only know how to make big quantities of lotion. I might start selling it, cause if I don't use a preservative I use alcohol made from fruit instead, so really it's an all natural lotion, no chemicals at all. I have to be careful what I use on my skin. But I've considered starting a site and selling the lotions I make and maybe start making and selling other things I know how to make and do. I know how to make natural make up too, including lipgloss, eyeshadow, blush, etc.

[ShyBoobs]

That's great news, anastasia! That would be a great way to earn some extra cash, especially in these tough times. Never hurts to try!

Rhonda, I would say that luteal swelling would be about a week before AF arrives. So if you still got almost 2 weeks remaining, then it prolly is growth, not just swelling. Oddly enough tho, in my case I grow late in the cycle and what I thought was luteal swelling last time was real growth lol. Kinda weird I would grow so close to AF, but I'll take what I can get.

[rhondahz]

I can't wait till the swelling then from AF. I may just stare at them in the mirror and do my positive thinking (wishing). LOL

I use to have a couple of black hairs that grew on my chin and a few around my nipples that I use to pluck. Since starting BE, I no longer get them. Does anyone think that perhaps I may have excess androgens?

Anastasia you should definitely try that. I've seen those oils at the health food store, I never thought of trying that. I could use the help masking the smell. Just this morning I was standing at a co-workers desk and another co-worker came over and said "it smells like syrup" I responded I had waffles this morning.

[anastasia916]

Yea, you can mix in essential oils or fragrance oils and it will mask the smell, many say peppermint works better, I used lavender because it helps calm me in the evenings before bed (I've had insomnia since I was about 6 so it helps get me to sleep faster). But I think I'd rather smell like peppermint than the FG smell lol. My hair already smells like peppermint because of the shampoo and conditioner I use. I switched from using Nexxus vitatress to using Nioxin for color treated hair and it smells like mint. Most my foot products smell like mint as well, so I'm pretty use to it as I do a pedicure once a week. Plus a mint smell would make you smell fresh.

[Wahaika]

Hello Rhonda,

You are doing everything right. Just stick with it. I have some suggestions.

* Given that you have probably read the "timing of routines" thread in madredesiete's routine, remember that this is the time of year that all the problems tend to begin to appear on a large scale. I think that I am seeing that now. Spring is the best time to start a routine.

* Stick with the lavender oil for massage. It has a good history of helping BE, where peppermint oil does not - aside from hiding the smell.

* I have never been impressed by the enhancement blend. I recognize the logic behind it but for some reason the track record is lacking. Not zero, but lacking. It could be that it is only 1/3 of the strength that people think that it is. For example, if you were taking one capsule each of fenugreek, saw palmetto, and wild yam, you would need three capsules of the enhancement blend to get the same amount of each herb. With extracts, it can be different if they are concentrated, but I do not think that it is. I think it is like the rest of the extracts where 1ml = 1000mg.

* You might consider trying GABA. I have seen it used quite a bit. The only dosage that I have seen stated so far was 1500mg at night before bedtime. You might ramp up to that, not start out at that.

Wahaika

[rhondahz]

Wahaika,

I have a high metabolism, my weight doesn't change much no matter what I eat or exercise.

This is what I found for GABA:
"What GABA ultimately does is produce Human Growth Hormones (HGH), an invaluable facilitator in speeding up metabolism (fat loss), boosting energy levels, and increasing muscle mass. "

If someone were to take it that has a high metabolism do you think it would hinder breast growth?

[Wahaika]

rhondahz,

Nope. GH will not hinder breast growth. It will help.

[rhondahz]

Still no growth pains since AF, I am on cycle day 5.
On cycle day I started over and starting ramping back up. I am up to 3/day FG and still no growing pains.

I added gelatine and MSM two days before AF as well.

This is frustrating I hope I am not one of the few that do not get true growing pains. Today I suppose I will ramp up my FG. I just don't want to stall out. I might even be stalled now who knows. I will be taking today:

FG 4/day
SP 3/day
1 1000mg borage oil
1 One a day womens' multi-vitamin
1 Zinc 30mg
Vitamin C 500mg
Vitamin E 400 IU
1 package of knox gelatine 7g taken with O.J
MSM 2 x 3/day

Does anyone think I should I increase my borage oil to 1000mg twice a day? I also noticed a couple of my black hairs that were on my chin came back, maybe I should up my SP too?

Oh yea, I measured last night 33'. At least I've kept a little of my gain from the beginning.