JayG Newbie NBE Routine

[jayg]

Hi there ladies,
First, I am so happy to know I'm not strange for looking up natural breast enhancement on google lol. I'm surprised to see there was more info than just random breast pills and pushups.

I am 20 years old
Fairly healthy
Dont smoke
Dont drink...yet lol
Harldy drink coffee
Loves chocolate (was sad i might have to cut back )
Never been on any birth control
I havent done complete official measurements (im planning on doing that soon.)
Currently I am a droopy 36B
My Dream would be a perky 36D
My goal would really just be more fullness, firmness and some size increase.

After about a month of researching (also waiting for some cash to get some supplies) I have come up with this regime which I am quite optimistic about.
I am seriously thinking about purchasing the Flat2Flab guide though.

I really believe in massage and even if I couldnt take the herbs I would totally keep doing it. Even if i met my dream goal.
I have tried this lymphatic breast massage www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wq5ComJWr3Q
for only the past few days and I know its doing something special! I breasts have been feeling warm and tingling sensations and they feel slightly fuller...but not firmer. It does make sense. How could your breast grow if something like your lymphatic system which clears toxin is blocked!
I also have been masaging in small circular kneading motions around the breast counterclockwise for the left and clockwise for the right. I will try do do this 1-3 times a day but mainly at night and after I remove my bra.

Bustea has been suggested to take but I have came up with my own version using a mixture of these teas. I drink a cup morning and night.
Fenugreek,
fennel,
Ginger ( this helps my stomach in case something makes me queazy and I have learned that it increases the effectiveness of the other herbs used with it),
and spearmint ( I am slightly mildy hirsute and I have also learned that this reduces the male androgens which may cause this. Who knows, it may give my booby routine a boost )
The herbs I'll be taking in capsule form are
EDITED: not going to use red clover it seems wild yam in the combo have a a lot of success
fenugreek ,
saw palmetto
Wild yam

The booby batter I am making for my massage will include
EDITED: Ill be using a different one in the morning and at night to help with fenugreek smell in the day
Day
Evening Primrose
Borage
Wild Yam root
Fennel
ginger
Lavender co2
Lavender
Vita e

Night
Evening Primrose
Borage
fenugreek
hops -----> good? yes no?
ginger
Lavender co2
Lavender
Vita e

Some other things:
Maca (to balance hormones and increase the booty to go with the boobs)
Borage oil and flaxnon lignan seed oil to make sure i have enough fatty acids
Healthy diet with more protien less carbs and less chocolate(which i will miss both dearly:( )
ANd definitely more exercise especially for firming and toning but im not gonna over do it. I like my curves...what little I have.

Edited Routine

[Wahaika]

Hello jayg,

Take out the Red Clover, and the emu oil or replace it with aloe vera gel. Also see "Timing of Routines!" in madredesiete's routine.

These links might be a pretty good fit for you:

beboard.proboards107.com/index.cgi?board=Routines&action=display&thread=3114

beboard.proboards107.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=pictures&thread=2475&page=1

Good luck!!

Wahaika

[jayg]

Okay I have read the very in depth post reagrding madredesiete's routine. It summarized almost everything i read in reagard to research and even added much more! I have refined my routine a bit.

I have a few questions

1. In regards to timing, I really had my heart set on starting in
November/December so i can reach my goal of a D by June but unfortunately starting at this time it will hinder results.
Yet if I did start in the winter, in order to maximize results during this time would getting up earlier exposing myself to sunlight and exercising in the sunlight help?

2. I came up with a tea concoction..would adding this be too much if I drank it only at night. Would help with progress?

3 Cycling If I chose to massage maybe every other day instead of every day, could I take a break from herbs after 4 mons instead of three. Could I wait longer?

[Wahaika]

1. No, not if you rely solely on natural sunlight. The days in December are about 7 hours long while the days in March/April are 12 to 13.

What you can do is to take a small amount of fenugreek for november and December (like 500mg per day). You will want to break from it after that to clear your receptors. But I don't think that taking herbs during the winter is necessary. It's just that some women want to do something rather than nothing during these months and that is the best thing to do - keep the estrogenic herbs low. A break before starting is optional, but I think it would work better than just continuing the ramp up when you start.

You can take other suppliments, like a good multi with a B complex, calcium, magnesium, Vitamin D and Boron. (The latter 3 help with the calcium absorption and usage.) You could also take Vitamin C. Time in the direct sunlight depletes vitamin C levels in the skin fairly quickly so it is good to build up. The best form is Ester C.

2. I don't know what tea concoction that you have in mind, but fenugreek/fennel is an excellent one. A cup of this once or twice per day is a good addition to any routine. A cup of soy based protein powder or soy milk has also had good results. I think that there are problems with long term soy usage, but in low amounts during a temporary BE program should be OK.

But again, the optimal time for this is during the routine starting around Mid March.

3. Massage should be a part of the daily BE routine anyway. Breaks after 3 or 4 months is up to the individual. I think a break every 3 months is more effective than 4 months simply because it clears the receptors more often. But if you are experiencing growth, I would not interrupt it with a break unless it has been 9 to 11 months.

More is not necessarily better. Longer is not necessarily better. You are the ultimate judge of what works best for you. Just take it as it goes and when you feel it is time for a break, take one. In the long run, there is not a lot of difference in 3 or 4 months. Normally, if what you are doing is not working after 3 months, it's time to examine it anyway. And also remember that EnglishChick just took the suppliments and then forgot about it and just let it happen.

I don't know what your height/weight is but one of the problems with herbs is that they can go partly or fully to the back, stomach, thighs, butt, or arms. I think that by waiting until March you could more likely avoid a lot of that.

[jayg]

I already take a b complex , a multi, not sure if it contains boron and vitamin c.
Were you saying to increase this during winter months, or just to have these things in general?
I'm leaning toward taking a low dose up too one of each per day during winter along with massage a tea at night. Then keep doing That until March, break in April, start back up with the same and ramp up from there. Or....no herbs and just do massage until March. Ahh the decisions...

The tea I have came up with would contain a mix of fenugreek fennel ginger and spearmint teas( I read that it could help with mild hirsutism and it increases estradiol..would this benefit be as well) www.raysahelian.com/hirsutism.html

As far as my measurements i dont have any exact for my waist.
But I am 5'3 pounds
petite but not skinny skinny if that helps.
I wouldnt mind a increase in hipsize... I am currently working out not for weight loss just to keep toned its not intense. I don't want anything anywhere else though.

[Wahaika]

>>"I already take a b complex , a multi, not sure if it contains boron and vitamin c.
Were you saying to increase this during winter months, or just to have these things in general?"

Just to have them in general, winter or not.

>>"...Ahh the decisions..."

Break early enough so you can start in mid March. April is one of your most effective months. You don't want to break in April.

[jayg]

Thank you so much for all your help and advice. It really helped a lot.

One last thing and then I wont be a bother anymore... could I just massage with no herbs extracts or anything just plain borage oil/ coconut oil. Would that affect my beginning my full routine in March/April negatively?

[Wahaika]

I think that would be A-Ok. Just make sure to take a break from it a month before you start. I would say that the best choice is Borage. You might even add some Vitamin E.

Good luck!

[jayg]

Thanks a million again....I guess I will be a good girl and start in March with some greenbush supplements. I have plenty of other thing to keep me occupied until then.

[jayg]

So patiently waiting until March to start full blown routine...Depressed because money has not come for me to buy other vitamins and supplies yet. Just been doing plain old massages. Mostly dry massage, I dont have any borage oil just coconut. During end of last cycle i got all sorts of growth pains and itches...Now this is day five of current cycle. Havent noticed any pain or itches but fullness and actual stretch marks! So I guess those are good signs . In conclusion, massage alone totally works(for me at least). Optimistic about getting results even before I start herbs and everything in March! yay

[jayg]

Okay, in preparation for March should I stop taking maca and evening primrose which I take for other things. I only take a gram of the evening primrose and have the maca in a smoothie.
Also should I stop massage as well? I havent been that dedicated too these past two months.

Thanks in advance.

[Wahaika]

Yep. Stop for a month.

[jayg]

Okay I started my routine in March. That month I had sensations all the time. Then around Mid April they started slowing down. I ramped up 2480mg fenugreek, 1440 fennel, and 930 hops. I massage as often as I can but mainly at night with the batter. I'm hoping I haven't stalled. Do i need to add wild yam, red clover. I take an antidepressant so I hope its not interfering with anything. Any suggestions?

[minax]

I just wanted to ask if you have seen any effects you can atribute to Maca.

[jayg]

Minmax, it's really hard for me to say. I have been taking raw maca for a while and I haven't been able to notice any effects good or bad. I was taking a table spoon and I have increased to 2 tbs. So I'll keep track a little more to see if I notice something.