Steps 4 dowsing or muscle-testing a BE Routine

[Wenonae]

Dowsing references

• My own summary WHAT IS DOWSING?

[/li][li] Get Inuit You can buy the eBook or hard copy. [/li][/ul]
Please note:

• General instructions for how to dowse with a tool are near the bottom of this post.
• Muscle-testing uses the body only to read energy. Those steps are also near the end.

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[/li][li]Finally, here's a good discussion that lists concerns for dowsing from a Christian perspective: The whole discussion is at beboard.proboards107.com/index.cgi?board=Routines&action=display&thread=4021[/li][/ul]

May 19, 2008 14:45:42 GMT -5 Farmer's wife said:

I forgot to ask Wahaika, do you dowse? I know Wen is really big into dowsing. I guess I thought it was something that is not for religious people, but then I saw Wen say something about prayer, so I'm confused. If you look up dowsing online it almost sounds similar to wigi board stuff.

I'm not downing dowsing AT ALL, I'm just confused on it.

May 20, 2008 11:08:41 GMT -5 Wahaika said:

Howdy.
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I would have to say that I'm not confused at all about dowsing. I have had to do significant research on it because of very heated arguments (attacks) in prior times on this board.

Neither I nor my wife dowse on any subject whatsoever. Yes, it works on the same principles as an ouija board. At best it is intert. at worse it is an occult/satanic practice. I find it to be logically incompatible with prayer - depending on who one is praying to, that is.

Just wanted to be clear on that.

Wahaika

May 20, 2008 14:58:35 GMT -5 Wenonae said:

Hey Farmer's wife-

Dowsing is not 'occult'. I too did a ton of research into it before delving down the path. As a result, my spirituality is AMAZINGLY deepened as a result of my experiences and I truly have had amazing experiences including seeing angels, walking with Jesus, improved intuition, and many other powerful experiences. Also as a result of dowsing, praying has a whole other stronger meaning. life after Death has a whole other meaning, and so much more. I also learned why dowsing has gotten such a bad rap- it's because it DOES involve using your soul. So if your soul isn't correctly connected to God/Light, then really bad things can happen (like possessions, mis-direction, mis-information, etc.). Thus, not everyone can or should dowse. The latter is so key (who can or should) that I developed a way to figure out who has any business trying it even). Hope this helps clarify some.

BTW, when a ouija board does work- it's because someone(s) is channeling through their soul and if (again) they aren't grounded/Connected to God/Light- you just allow any negative or evil wayward soul to come through you. That's TROUBLE. Scary stuff.

May 20, 2008 15:01:57 GMT -5 Farmer's wife said:

Thanks Wahaika and Wen. I am editing this because I didn't see Wen's post.

It seems like the two of you have totally opposite views on the subject.

Growing up in church all my life (Pastor's kid) I know soooo many people who have been helped by angels in human form. And in all cases there is no other explanation due to the angel later disappearing or cases where the description of the particular "person" (angel) was never on the payroll and no one had ever heard of or seen them before-except the person they helped.

But the question remains.....why rely on a ouiji board or pendlum to hear from God and his angels? Is it just another way of communication for some? Or is it the devil making something bad look good for his evil ways (which he does a lot).

It reminds me of a scripture in Acts 16 verses 16-18...."And it came to pass as we went to prayer, a certain damsel possessed with a spirit of divination (fortune telling) met us, which brought her masters much gain by soothsaying. The same followed Paul and us, and cried, saying These men are servants of the most high God, which shew unto us the way of salvation. Ant this did she many days. But Paul being grieved, turned and said to the spirit, I command thee in the name of Jesus Christ to come out of her. And he came out the same hour."

I guess I'm trying to say is be careful of where you're getting your information. This woman was very useful and helpful to her masters because of the information she held, but it wasn't information from God, so therefore it was evil.

In any case, everyone is entitled to their own opinion and beliefs. Prayer seems to be the path for me, even thought I don't do it enough.

Just my two cents, or four cents, or ten cents. Maybe a little too much cents for everyone .

May 21, 2008 23:49:48 GMT -5 Farmer's wife said:

Wen,

So you're more into what I would call meditation, right? I know people who meditate that have good connections with God. My family has always had pretty good intuition. My mom has dreams that come true sometimes, and my dad knows when something has hit me deep within and will either call me or tell my mom. I really think that the reason I don't feel "free" or "at peace" is because I let bad spirits harass me. But when I'm doing the things I should be doing (reading bible, going to church, talking to God) I feel a lot better about myself and other people.

I definantly agree that you just have to keep your eyes on God when you're looking for answers. Which brings me to another question.....Why would God (through meditation or "dowsing") care and tell us which herbs a person should put in their body to make their boobs bigger?? Doesn't He have MUCH bigger issues to tend to-like people's souls? I'm anxious to hear other's opinions on this.

Thanks for putting up with all my questions and comments.

Have a great night.

May 22, 2008 9:30:41 GMT -5 Wenonae said:

May 21, 2008 23:49:48 GMT -5 Farmer's wife said:

Wen,

So you're more into what I would call meditation, right? I know people who meditate that have good connections with God. My family has always had pretty good intuition. My mom has dreams that come true sometimes, and my dad knows when something has hit me deep within and will either call me or tell my mom. I really think that the reason I don't feel "free" or "at peace" is because I let bad spirits harass me. But when I'm doing the things I should be doing (reading bible, going to church, talking to God) I feel a lot better about myself and other people.

I definantly agree that you just have to keep your eyes on God when you're looking for answers. Which brings me to another question.....Why would God (through meditation or "dowsing") care and tell us which herbs a person should put in their body to make their boobs bigger?? Doesn't He have MUCH bigger issues to tend to-like people's souls? I'm anxious to hear other's opinions on this.

Thanks for putting up with all my questions and comments.

Have a great night.

K, about your first part. Yes, it's more like meditation as far as how I execute it. But what it allows for me (like what your parents demonstrate) is heightened Awareness/intution for what's right or wrong for myself OR someone else as it relates to health or Purpose but done at will- not just in dreams or in threatening situations (when the hairs on your neck rise, for example).

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About your 2nd part- why would God care to provide information regarding growing boobs naturally when there's so many OTHER things to worry about? That's a goody I had to come to peace with myself. And actually, Flatmomma said it pretty well already, hee. ;d

May 22, 2008 8:22:01 GMT -5 @flatmama said:

Hey Famer's Wife!
My 2 cents...
I believe we're all children of God and He actually cares about us...and just as a parent cares not only about the big things going on in their children's lives, they also care about the little day to day things.
I also believe that we are given the ability to know what our body does and doesn't need and sometimes we just need to learn to listen to that. That 'gut feeling' is there for a reason.
Sorry, probably not worth much.....just my opinion.

In a simple sense, God cares about everything in our lives, from the very little to the very large. But no matter what it is, God wants to give it to us in the BEST, most supreme way possible. So if it’s within your Purpose of this life- God will help you to figure it out for what’s best for you. For this reason, many women are indeed able to be Guided to grow the biggest, healthiest rack possible ;d. However, some may have spiritual issues they have to address first which is part of the Lesson they are to learn on earth first. And this may mean no matter what herb, what massage, what tape you listen to, etc…it doesn’t happen (when the latter is the case, God’s saying- fix this first then I’ll help you with the ‘lesser’ thing. For me- it can make it difficult to help some when there’s spiritual blocks because I then have to explain a book's worth of info. So rather that..when I can just give a hand- I do.)

BTW, even though you can not dowse (which allows direct info from All-Knowing level), you can still Connect and get grounded. You’re doing kind of it by going to church, reading Bible, etc. However, instead of just focusing on external things, you can add some meditation (like for those days when you aren't at church, etc.). I can PM more information. Lemme know.


Wen’

May 22, 2008 9:51:51 GMT -5 @flatmama said:

I agree with Wen. I'm not into the dowsing thing but meditation is great(Although I guess in a way they can be similar). I believe that in order to hear what God wants to tell us we have to be able to clear our head of all the crazy things that are always going on and be able to listen to Him. It's especially a good thing to do after a prayer....just to sit there and clear our head and listen. Just look at a prayer as making a phone call.....after you've said what you've needed to, do you keep the line open to hear the reply or do you just hang up and go on your way?
I also agree with the part about sometimes needing to get other things taken care of first. I've tried BE before....years ago, products that had a great track record but nothing happened. As I look back on it I can see that it's good that it didn't work. Where I was back then with how I felt about myself was not a good place. Even if BE worked, I still would have ended up feeling bad about me and just finding something else that I felt needed to be fixed. Now, I feel good about myself, where I'm at, who I am, even the way my body looks. Yes, I would still love bigger breasts but it's not what we'll make me feel good about myelf like it used to be. I believe there's a reason that I started looking into NBE again after figuring it didn't work years before. I believe there's a reason I found this site when I did.
Thanks Wen, also....I'm glad what I said didn't sound too crazy!!
FM

May 22, 2008 10:33:36 GMT -5 Wenonae said:

May 22, 2008 9:51:51 GMT -5 @flatmama said:

I agree with Wen. I'm not into the dowsing thing but meditation is great(Although I guess in a way they can be similar).

Yep they are really the same..just different end results.

For those who have dowsing ability, meditation is interactive (listening and asking) where you can get immediate response to queries for concerns and questions. It happens at a very very fast pace (~3-15 secs).

For those who can't dowse, meditation is just listening, just being connected to the One. Also, it can take a little while longer to get centered (~3 - 25 minutes ).

Honestly, I think simple meditation (just listening) is needed by everyone with a soul I think. Just so you don't forget why you're here and to get much needed reassurance.

Wen'

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DOWSING/MUSCLE-TESTING INSTRUCTIONS
Before you start dowsing:[/u]

• Choose a pendulum of non-conductive materials. These no-no materials include glass, wood, and a gem, though in theory almost any type of object can make a pendulum. The best type is a personal item such as a necklace with a thin chain and a charm.

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PREPARING YOURSELF TO DOWSE:[/i]
In order to dowse consistently and accurately you'll need to do these things-

• Find your best body position (which hand, legs uncrossed, ankles crossed Indian-style, ankles crossed in chair. For crossed stances, make sure you check right over left vs left over right.
  
• Find your best p material. Chain materials to try- silver, gold, platinum, thread, fish line, steel, & bronze. P charms: rings, charms of gold, silver, platinum, plastic, glass, steel, bronze.
  
• Find a good location. You can dowse this later..but your rating for your location should be at least 7/10.

PREPARING YOURSELF TO MUSCLE-TEST:[/i]
[/li][li]Decide on a test (arm, fingers, etc.)
[/li][li]Find the best calming location in your house, etc.

You'll know your dowsing/muscle-testing basics are is in good order when your indications (yes, no, yes but, no but) respond with no hesitation and consistently. Also you can ask another experienced dowser to inform you of your best materials and body position to help things along.

EXECUTING DOWSING [/i]
[/li][li]Hold pendulum approximately a foot away from you body with least amount of force possible, with forearm bent to 90degrees. You can rest on arm of chair or hold out.[/li][li]Also insure your palm points to the floor while holding the pendulum between your first finger and thumb[/li][li]Establish "yes", "no", "I don't know", and "I don't want to answer" , "no, but..", and "yes, but" movements for your pendulum.by saying 'Show me yes (wait for indication), then show me no (wait for indication). ' Generally, yes is back and forth or no is side-to-side. Observe the rest of the indications.
[/li][/ul]Once you get your pendulum working, do NOT share or let it be handled by anyone else, else it could disturb the 'relationship' you've established. If you do, then you'll have to cleanse it and re-do it all. Just know that everyone has different energies. Keep it in a pouch or baggie so negative energies are not 'absorbed'.

To cleanse if it has been contaminated/handled, here are some tips on how to cleanse your pendulum:

• Place in direct sunlight for 24hrs
  
• Place in bowl of sea salt for 24hrs
  

This is a good idea to do if more than one person has touched your pendulum or dowsed with ur p (kids are quick to snatch )

For accurate dowsing:[/u]

• Always ask, "Am I in Tune with my Pure and High Self and/or the Great High Sprit (Energy)?" if not, repeat statment "I am in Tune with my Pure and High Self" a few times then check again. You also want to get in Tune with your Inner Self (your gut) AND the Holy Spirit/Universal Spirit/Spirit Most High. Getting in tune with this Trinity you will have Guidance from your soul, your gut, and All-Knowing spirit. The best of all worlds!! ;D
  
• Rate the accuracy of your indication. Perfect is 100%. Ask, is my indication at least 90% accurate?" "Is it 100% accurate?" Doing this builds your confidence. If you're not 90%, then you need to add detail or subtract detail to the quesiton you asked.
  

Before you buy anything at the store or online (HOW TO RATE)[/u]

• Rate the brand..give it a score from 1-10. Say "where 10 is perfectly suited for my system &1 is worst for you system, how does ___ rate?" (More than 1, more than 2, more than 5, etc.). Aim for at least 7/10. You could take something with a low brand rating and have nassy side effects...like if you were taking the wrong thing.

What if nothing happens?[/u]

• If you have done all the steps above, and your p doesn't move- you have a block(s). Contact a posting dowser so they can help you figure out what to do. The types of blocks you can have include: physical, mental, and spiritual. Don't worry if you have blocks. This is a skill- you simply need to straighten out a kink to move forward. Lots of times it isn't even that intensive- may just need to do some body bends to allow the energy to flow through you appropriately.
  
  HOWEVER, there are 3 types of people:

[/b]]People who can dowse/build up skill.(~75%)
[Group 2]People who can dowse sometimes, but can't do it all the time. This just has to do with your physical make-up. If you're in this group..maximize your hunches/gut feelings via dowsing, but don't rely on it 100%. .(~15%)
[Group 3] People who just don't have the ability, but still have good hunches. In this case, you need to practice relaxing so you can listen to what your body says, but you don't have ability to improve what you sense (~10%)[/ul]

Refer to this thread for more detail about this. Otherwise, have someone verify what Group you're in.[/li][/ul]

BE Dowsing/Muscle-testing Questions:[/u]
"Is it possible for me to safely execute a natural breast growing regimen now?"
if no-->are there any health issues preventing me from doing this? Can I address those then do NBE?
if yes-->if the regimen based on herbs, bovine ovary, pharmacueticals?

If herbs, then Is it extract or capsule form?
Now, it's time to make your NBE check-list. Start by saying "for the fastest, healthiest NBE, which items are absolutely necessary to be on my daily check-list?"
TRose provided an awesome link.** TRose link. **
Use tables 2&3..I've common ones below, too. You don't have to have the product on hand, but you may want to get a picture up on the 'Net to verify if a company's specific RC, for example, is right for your system.

Herbs
Black Cohosh
Damiana
Dong Quai
Fennel
Fenugreek
Gingko Biloboa (for blood-thinning capabilities on BC)
Greenbush Enhancements Caps
Hops
Kudzu root
Licorice (DGL or regular)
Mandrake
Maca
Marshmellow Root (aids in lactation)
QuickBust
Oregano
Red Clover
Saw palmetto
Sheep Sorrel
Thyme
Turmeric
Verbena Hastata
Yellow dock
Wild Yam

Supplements, Vitamins, Minerals
Bayer's asprin (for blood-thinning properties on BC)
Baby asprin not as strong as reg. asprin(for blood-thinning properties on BC)
birth control (Yasmin 28, Seasonale, Diane35, or Depo for examples)
Bovine Ovary (Vitamin Power, DNE)
Branched Amino acids
Cayenne (yes, the pepper)
Chemical estrogen (Premarin)
DHEA
Evening Primrose Oil (EPO)
Flax Seed
Vitamin B complex
Vitamin B6
Vitamin C
Vitamin D
Vitamin E
Vitmain K
Women's multi-vitamin
Hypnosis (for stress, or BE)
kelp
L-arginine
L-tyrosine
Maple nuts (CoQ10)
MSM
Nettle
Pituitary Glandular
pregnenolone
progesterone (USP wild yam root)
testosterone (per Fawn's provided link, Homeopathic Testosterone)
Teas (Green Tea, Fennel Tea)
Thyroid glandular
uva ursi (bearberry)

• Check Follicular vs. Luteal for reference and stocking purposes
  
• Check to see if caffeine will affect your regime (coffee, chocolate, soda, etc). If so, then find out the daily limit amounts.
• Check to see what if any affect smoking has on ur NBE (tobacco or other).
• Check to see what, if any affect your diet has on your NBE. (too much refined sugars, too startchy, lacking protein, etc.)
• Check to see how many times a day you should take a particular herb. Be specific about the times and the window you have to work with. Like if 3x's a day, then between 7-9a, 3-5p, and 10-12a.

Massage[/u]
Breast pump (Whittlestone, etc.)
Ask MIN # of rotations, which directions they should be (inward only, outward only, combination of inward only and ouward only, etc.) and how many times a day.
Regular, ask length of time
Also, ask with or without massage agent (usually u can only use one type of thing. If it's drops, ask the recommend # of drops..note that it usually doesn't vary too much)
Ask Heat, no heat--> what temp setting (on heating pad), on skin vs. over clothing.

Massage agents[/u]
EPO
olive oil
phyto-estrogen extracts (hops, thyme, fenugreek, red clover, fennel)
safflower oil
your body lotion
ylang-ylang oil
almond oil
geranium oil
Greenbush Enhancement drops (W/Y, SP, fenugreek)
HBA spray
dry (nothing)

Daily Checklist:[/u]

• If you can, buy all the items on your new 'approved' list.
• Initially, it may build your confidence to actually hold bottle in your hand to ask (or in front of your hand, like Charky does), but then try seeing if you can get same response for the daily, mid-day, or evening dose without the item in front of you.
• Once you get your pendulum 'calibrated' to respond to for example, 'is inward rotations only massage of benefit today'..you can ask about simply 'massage today', and it'll be assumed is inward rotations only of benefit. Be careful, as sometimes regular massage may better sometimes. I personally just keep to 'massage'..then I clarify which type. It'll get easier to figure out things as you see patterns form as time goes on.
• About massages, if your p indicates to use an agent, ask how many drops. If heat, what temperature and finally, the length of time.
• Always ask ranges (more than XX-XX?).
  You can dowse #of caps or drops instead of mgs for a given product
• If wishy/washy response, re-phrase question
  
• Be sure to ask if there are any items missing at least at the end or beginning of your cycle, this way you cover supplements and herbs. If no indication from the above list, dowse thru alphabet to spell it out. I ask does it begin with consonant or vowel, then is it between A-L? or M-Z?, and go from there
  
• Ask if you have any emotional, spiritual, or physical blocks preventing your progress

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How to dowse-ask about things:[/u]

[/b]]"When will I finish growing, filling, and migrating all fat cells for my maximum NBE size increase?" (more than 6 months, 7 months, etc)
[What to use for BE]"What actions and items do I need to use today (or this week) for the fastest and healthiest breast increase?[/ul] [/ul]


WHAT TO DO ABOUT BLOCKS [/i]
Emotional Blocks[/u]

• Listening to meditative music
  
• Listening to chants
  
• Listening to inspirational speeches

Mental Blocks[/u]

• Consuming drops of Holy Water or Filtered water with sea salt
  
• Making of the cross symbol across your person
  
• Saying a 'release' prayer. (While 'in Tune' say: "I release this spirit(s)/energy which is oppressing my Earthly progress in my _____ regimen.")
  
• Requests to archangels (or other types)for help
  
• See if another dowser would be best to help the situation.
  
• Donning a dowsed cross (silver, gold, etc) on your person (necklace, charm, etc.) immediately after you release the spirit/energy.

Physical Blocks[/u]

• Stretching (your back, your legs, your arms, etc.)
  
• Improving your chakra flow ( refer to this thread )
  
• Rotating your ankles
  
• Any other physical things you can do to your body

As I hear interesting things, I'll keep updating this post!

[Wenonae]

Here's text quoted from Charky, that started it all. Once again you can see the whole thing in Routines section.

"...Be VERY careful how you phrase your questions. As with all practices/devices involving energy, you should treat the whole process w/ respect and seriousness. Also, asking very "subjective" questions (like "Do I like this or that?" - questions that involve personal opinions, or that you already know the answers to) may elicit confusing responses. What the pendulum deals with is "objective" knowledge - knowledge that is true or false outside of personal opinion.

The pendulum will answer questions that your body already knows the answer to. Your body knows what's healthy and what isn't for you.

PAY CLOSE ATTENTION TO THE QUESTION AND HOW IT'S PHRASED. If you ask "Will BO work for me?" What does that mean? Work how?

Be specific: "Will BO increase my breast size if I take 1800 mg. per day?" YES, perhaps it will. But more importantly, ASK FIRST, "Is BO healthy for my body?" or "Will BO hurt my body or reduce my level of health?"

What we're looking for are substances that won't hurt us, or leave us with endometriosis, or destroy our livers, or make us depressed, or make our hair fall out, or take 10 years off our lives... There ARE substances out there for each of us that will make us healthy AND promote BE at the same time!

SO, HERE'S HOW TO START: Take whatever the substance is, place it on a table in front of you, place your left palm face down on the table, with the 4 fingers closed and thumb open. Place the substance (herbal extract, BO, etc.) a few inches in front of your middle fingertip. With your right hand holding the string, dangle the ring/pendulum in the air between your fingertip and the testing substance. Without asking anything specific, see if it moves YES or NO. If it moves YES, then it's healthy for you. If it moves NO, put it away and DON'T USE IT.

For those herbs/substances that showed a YES response, ask "Will this promote BE if used daily?"

For those that still showed YES, ask "Will this promote BE if taken internally?" For those that show NO, ask "Will this promote BE if applied externally?"

Once you've figure out if it's better to use it internally or externally, then use the same questioning method to find out how much to take. "For BE, should I take more than (10 drops/500mgs, etc.) daily?" And then reduce or increase the amount depending on the answer you get.

Ask the pendulum on a daily basis. Some days you may need more, some days less. Also, periodically ask questions like "Should I take a break from any of these herbs?" or "Is there another substance that I could use to improve my routine for BE and health?"

THEN, ALWAYS SAY "THANK YOU" AFTER EVERY QUESTIONS. IT MAY SOUND CORNY TO YOU, BUT IT COMMUNICATES RESPECT FOR THE ENERGY AND RESPECT FOR YOUR BODY. UNTIL WE HAVE RESPECT FOR OUR BODIES, WE WILL NEVER HAVE THE BODIES WE WANT....."[/b]

[bonnette]

hello Wenanoe

sorry if a stupid question but how/where to get the number like 7/10 with dowsing?

Bonnette

[sadiie]

" Generally, yes is back and forth or no is side-to-side. Observe the rest of the indications."

thats funny, mines is exactly the opposite...

Q: the website for cleansing the p is not on there...my lil sister touched mine, lol...i forgot to keep it safeguarded

[Wenonae]

Oct 9, 2008 23:23:51 GMT -5 sadiie said:

" Generally, yes is back and forth or no is side-to-side. Observe the rest of the indications."

thats funny, mines is exactly the opposite...

Q: the website for cleansing the p is not on there...my lil sister touched mine, lol...i forgot to keep it safeguarded

It's ok to be exactly opposite.
How to cleanse your pendulum:

• Place in direct sunlight for 24hrs
  
• Place in bowl of sea salt for 24hrs
  

See which one is supposed to help you

Wen'

[eureka]

the thing you linked to that is linked to the text "What Is Dowsing" is broken... But from what I read on the net, dowsing sounds similar to something that was used in the Old Testament. Most Christians wouldn't have any idea about it, because they don't read that part of the bible (not meaning to offend, just an observation).. Or unless they are Mormons... But that's a whole different can of worms...

I'm talking about the Urim & Thummim..

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urim_and_Thummim

They were used by priests to talk to God... Generally Yes/No Guilty/Innocent type things. Anyway.. Yeah. Wikipedia has the back story... lol