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Post by dale on Nov 2, 2005 23:59:29 GMT -5
OK, i have a friend who was ready to try BE. One day, she could not stand up without vomitting so she had to stay in bed. When she went to see the doctor, she was told that she has a tumor (not sure if malignant or what) and that she has high levels of prolaction in her blood. My question is this. To be successful at BE you try to increase your prolactin. Would this be dangerous then? Especially for those of us who are using extracts and as we know extracts go straight to your bloodstream so this surely increases your prolactin level in your blood. I'm just a bit concerned.
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Post by Wenonae on Nov 3, 2005 19:15:27 GMT -5
I wouldn't say you're tumor-prone for high prolactin levels- but you could have a leaky chest. Wen'  |
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Post by Wahaika on Nov 3, 2005 20:43:17 GMT -5
Do you know what her blood pH level is?
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Post by dale on Nov 4, 2005 14:45:12 GMT -5
No, i don't know her blood's ph level and i don't want to ask and get into details because i feel that she's a bit uncomfortable talking about this latest happening. But i'm thinking that maybe it has something to do with her pituitary gland? Because how on earth can a tumor be linked somehow with prolactin?  ? Now what about those taking precursors like tyrosine? Should this be taken into consideration? |
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Post by hydeandseek on Nov 4, 2005 19:19:16 GMT -5
was she taking anything for be? has she ever taken anything recently for be? also, didn't it take the doctor longer than one visit to diagnose a tumor? i thought they have to do cat scans or x-rays to determine those.
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Post by dale on Nov 5, 2005 21:10:48 GMT -5
She was about ready to start BE when the vomitting incident happened and which led her to the finding of this tumor. I think she did all the procedures like xrays ct scans, etc my story was just shortcut. But should this be a concern for those of us who are on liquid internals?
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Post by Cassandra on Nov 10, 2005 21:17:15 GMT -5
Was your friend taking any herbs to increase breast size? If so what was she taking?
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Post by Cassandra on Feb 3, 2006 23:19:07 GMT -5
Oh ok oops I didn't see your last post before I posted that last question  oopsy. |
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Post by twilightsrose on Feb 8, 2006 1:28:09 GMT -5
There are several types of tumours which can be either caused by high levels of prolactin in the blood or which cause high levels of prolactin in the blood. All about prolactin: www.medic8.com/healthguide/articles/prolactin.html1. Putuitary Tumour: tumours of the pituitary gland (a small gland found at the base of the brain). a. Prolactinoma: is a condition in which a noncancerous tumor (adenoma) in the pituitary gland in your brain overproduces the hormone prolactin. It is one type of pituitary tumours. Take care! |
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Post by Ruderico on Apr 8, 2006 6:15:39 GMT -5
OMG..! Is this something we all need to be worried about?  Are we all taking a risk of getting a brain tumor for being on estrogenic herbs? |
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Post by sarasa on Apr 8, 2006 16:19:38 GMT -5
Hi you guys, since I'm currently about to take the medical boards next week, I can probably help you out since this might be on the exam!!
What I see written a few messages above is correct, what your friend most likely has is called a prolactinoma, which is when there is a tumor of cells in the pituitary which produce prolactin. We have these cells there normally but a tumor there causes local proliferation of prolactin-secreting cells and hence an inordinate production of prolactin. There are other cell types in our pituitary that produce other hormones, but for some reason, most pituitary tumors secrete prolactin.
This does not mean that the reverse is true however!! I see written in someone's post that high levels of prolactin in blood can cause a prolactinoma- that is not true. In fact, if anything, in the normal nonpregnant individual without a prolactinoma, high prolactin levels will cause feedback inhibition to those pituitary cells and decrease prolactin secretion, definitely not stimulating pituitary cell proliferation.
Hope this helps. Don't stop your NBE journey.
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Post by twilightsrose on Apr 8, 2006 22:25:13 GMT -5
Actually, that was my mistake, although when I made the statement I was not just talking about prolactinomas.
I'm curious about something actually, since you are in the medical field. I was wondering if you might have some insight into the most recent research about breast fibroadenomas (particularly the Giant form) and what the medical fields current research is showing. From everything I could find (research-wise) most women who have these giant fibroadenomas (me included - I had the giant form) they seem to form during a hormone increase/spike (pregnancy/puberty). Birth Control pills don't seem to be a cause given the rarity of the occurrence of these tumours, which causes me to believe that increased estrogen/progesterone aren't likely the culprit... I've kinda believed since then that too high prolactin levels might have been the cause in my case, since it happened while I was taking really high dosages of Fenugreek and other BE herbs... but that is just guessing... it could also have been a coincidence...
Take care!
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Post by sarasa on Apr 9, 2006 13:56:44 GMT -5
Hey twilightrose, well since you've been reading about it, you must know that the medical field right now does think that it is the estrogen/progesterone that causes the fibroadenomas... so that's what our profs taught us. It can be argued that the hormone levels are much less in oral contraceptives compared to the levels during pregnancy so perhaps that's why they don't occur with OCs... personally I don't think it was a coincidence that you were taking high levels of estrogenic herbs and got a fibroadenoma, but I do think that the risks of getting any cell proliferations are mutifactorial.... perhaps something in your constitution/genes makes you more at risk for developing fibroadenomas, and coupled with the herbs, pushed you over the edge.
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