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Post by Moderator on Nov 16, 2003 11:14:23 GMT -5
From: Mominator5 (Original Message) Sent: 9/19/2003 9:56 PM Here's a great Hormone Imbalance Test, very similar to Dr. Lee's, but a little more informative. Also has pages with some great information regarding PMS and other female issues. www.stenlake.com.au/testwomen.asp Please take the test and report your findings. Again, not scientific, but does lend some information for BE purposes! If you are attempting to correct an imbalance, this is also listed on the Links page, and so is Dr. Lee's. Also has a quiz for PMS symptoms! Happy Testing! Momi' |
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Post by Moderator on Nov 16, 2003 11:14:46 GMT -5
From: Hippychick555 Sent: 9/20/2003 2:05 AM
Hey Everyone:
According to the test I have Excess Estrogen and Androgen Deficiency.
Gee I don't know about the rest of you but I find the tests sooo hard to take. Anyway I checked off all the symptoms that I am experiencing right now.
I am on my luteal phase: 2500 BO, 5g SP and 1500 Damiana.
I feel yucky....was thinking that I am going to take a break for a month or so, but who knows. Might just take a break for 1 month and take only BO and progesterone.
I have a dinner date tomorrow nite, have only meet him once last Sunday for coffee.
I am sure nervous and this stupid PMS, bloating isn't helping. Vent, Vent, Vent, can't say I feel any better but it helps some to chat with you guys anyway.
Well as we all say "We shall see when AF comes along".
Seems to me from my experience and what I have read that on BO the growth seems to always come in the first few months and then stops, but remains. That is one of the reasons that I feel that I should take a break. I had noticed that back at the beginning of this year. Grew some on BO, stopped the started again then Grew some, now the growth remains.
I think if I do grow this cycle then I may continue (the yuckiness would be worth it for a few months if it gets more growth). If no growth then I think I should take a break.
Any suggestions: should I stop on Day 1 then if growth continues, or should I continue BO till about day 6 or so and if no growth stop. Think I just answered my own question- stop on day 1 and if growth continue and if no growth take my break.
Wish me luck on my date!!! I am confident that we like each other, but gee whiz this dating stuff is still for the birds.
Better go as I am tired and I think I am kind of talking to myself. (hmmmm)
Hippychick
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Post by Moderator on Nov 16, 2003 11:20:47 GMT -5
From: Mansi Sent: 9/20/2003 5:59 AM
Hi Momi,
According to the test I am androgen deficient.
Mansi
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Post by Moderator on Nov 16, 2003 11:21:10 GMT -5
From: Mominator5 Sent: 9/20/2003 7:24 AM
Hi Hippychick,
Stop everything at once on Day 1 of cycle! I tried going slowly, all I got of that was heavy spotting for 15 days, then my period for another 5. YUCK! I stopped all my herbs on the 1st day of what should have been my period, and everything went accordingly. I was on for 1 year though, prolly played more of a role, but I would still recommend stopping on Day 1 in my experience.
Hope AF leaves a present
Momi'
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Post by Moderator on Nov 16, 2003 11:21:29 GMT -5
From: chickydee390 Sent: 9/20/2003 11:53 AM
Great site Momi! I took both the Dr. Lee test and the link to the test above and both came out excess estrogen !
chicky
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Post by Moderator on Nov 16, 2003 11:35:44 GMT -5
From: Wenonae_ Sent: 9/20/2003 1:51 PM
Hippychick,
You're prolly using too much BO..u did fine at 1800 and cycling up to 2200, y'd u change? If growth continues, then keep going next cycle, at 1800mg BO, since ur using damiana; you're prolly really feeling estrogen . Stay on SP berries from 3-5g's. See what happens.
Good luck!
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Post by Moderator on Nov 16, 2003 11:36:32 GMT -5
From: MizzCharlie Sent: 9/20/2003 1:55 PM
Hello Everyone!
Haven't posted in a while but I have been reading every the posts everyday.....
I've been doing my own thing, trying not to get excited or disapointed unitl I reach my 3 months on BE (1/2 way there).
But anyways, Momi I just did the test and I came up a mix of different things! At the same time I am progesterone deficient, estrogen deficient, excess estrogen and hormonal imbalance...the only thing I'm NOT is androgen deficient.
Progesterone deficient and excess estrogen I understand. I just had my periods last week and I had the worst cramps of my life, I was total b*tch (I swear the slightest thing bothered me: my boyfriend BREATHING next to me in bed was enough for me to start complaining until he had to go sleep outside...I feel so bad now!) not to mention I've had a constant headache since about 1 week.
Estrogen deficient I don't understand, and hormonal imbalance, well, DUH!
So yeah, I've become a raving lunatic so I guess something is happening inside of me, though no boobage. I may have to add some progesterone if my headaches don't go away because I can't think straight anymore. Maybe I'll try a low dose of pregnenelone. Oh yeah, I also dropped my dose of SP from nearly 5g/day to 3.5g/day. I was getting tired of having no libido and wanted the damiana to have more of an effect on me. I think it was Wenonae that said she thought it contributed to BE to have a strong libido, and I agree 100%.
Well, that's it from me . It's great that we still have many discussions going on here. When I get to work in the afternoon this is always the first site that I check (don't have internet at home) and I always learn something new.
MzC
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Post by Moderator on Nov 16, 2003 11:37:04 GMT -5
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Post by Moderator on Nov 16, 2003 11:37:24 GMT -5
From: Hippychick555 Sent: 9/20/2003 2:06 PM
Wenonae:
Hi. Thanks for suggestion. The reason I changed is that I am using DNE BO now and it is 500mg per pill. Think that maybe 2000mg all cycle with my SP (5g) and 1500 Damiana during the luteal phase.
Yes you are soooo rite definately feeling way too much estrogen. Hopefully that is good though (for this month anyway).
But in the meantime, since I am getting ready for my dinner date I have to do some self-talk. I feel good today, I feel good today, I feel good today.
Does the above sound good? I think so, however I am very foggy in my thinking right now...
Hippychick
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Post by Moderator on Nov 16, 2003 11:37:42 GMT -5
From: lilsx1 Sent: 9/20/2003 2:14 PM
when did you start BO?
have fun on your dinner date!
lilsx1
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Post by Moderator on Nov 16, 2003 11:38:00 GMT -5
From: Mominator5 Sent: 9/20/2003 2:29 PM
Hi Charlie,
Long time no see! Glad you keep up with the board though! Did you test high in androgens in Dr. Lee's test? This test doesn't seem to stress the androgens so much or goes about it the opposite way. It showed low androgens for me too...and I know that is not TRUE! I wish they had a few more questions in that area.
You can have low estrogen and be estrogen dominant! Although it seems to be opposite of each other it's not. What it does mean is your progesterone is SUPER LOW! Obviously your progesterone is so low, that the low estrogen is dominating. There...did that make sense! So I would definately be adding progesterone cream at least 20mg daily. Possibly then counter act with topical progesterone blockers for the boobies....boobie batter with R/C extract. Or one of the other progesterone blockers, blocks progesterone from boobie receptors. But you gotta' get that progesterone up or be SINGLE! Guys do not like sleeping outside!
Do you have signs of high androgens, excess hair, popping cysts? If not you need to be down to 2-3g daily of SP. BTW, damiana is a progesterone blocker, prolly not a good idea for you right now...until you get your body to produce progesterone. Again topically is prolly okay!
Hope that helped clear things up for you!
Momi'
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Post by Moderator on Nov 16, 2003 11:38:43 GMT -5
From: Wenonae_ Sent: 9/20/2003 3:38 PM MizCharlie, My two cents, if u don't do prog. cream, then add W/Y or pregnelone (which makes prog as u need). Then in combination with R/C and fenugreek (is that what ur on?), you can raise your estrogen levels hich enough, with a sane amount of prog. in ur system, so u can grow boobies. Tweek ur regime a little for the next cycle...u don't have to wait...we see it's not quite rite. You should haven't to suffer that much, in fact, Momi' said she never felt better than during NBE, however, Pammy, felt more crappy during process. In any case, like Momi' says, ur BF shouldn't have to be sleeping outside. Raise prog. levels some. Try 1-1.5g W/Y or 30mg pregnelone 3-4Xs a week, if u don't want to bother with the cream, which u should use from Day 15 - Day 28. For that pregnelone recommendation, follow up with Fawn on that ( fawnmarie@hotmail.com), I'm not sure if it's not better to go every day or not, or just during luteal..it would seem like u need to get it into ur system well. There was a really handy diagram that Momi' posted, if u don't need prog, then the preg may increase DHEA, which darkens and increases hair..so be aware of any changes. Good luck, kiddo, and Happy Growin'! |
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Post by Moderator on Nov 16, 2003 11:38:59 GMT -5
From: Wenonae_ Sent: 9/20/2003 5:14 PM
MizCharlie,
Just want to make sure ur using RC and fenugreek, or is it BO? I know u did BO before this last bout, but I thought I rememebered your wanting to change to herbs. Yeah, RC is prolly best for now just topically, so use extract for that.
Get back to us!
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Post by Moderator on Nov 16, 2003 11:39:19 GMT -5
From: MizzCharlie Sent: 9/20/2003 6:21 PM
Hi Momi,
Thanks for your advice. I didn't know you could be both low and high in estrogen...that's a new one for me. I didn't want to add progesterone since it has such a bad rep over here (also cause last time I was on it I didn't grow at all so this time I decided to do without).
Concerning excess androgens...I don't know. I've always been pretty hairy (it's the Italian genes!), and I don't know what popping cysts are!
I'm already taking damiana (check out my routine "New and Improved" in Routine's section).
I think I will try adding pregnenolone, so if I am indeed low in progesterone, it should convert (right?).
Charlie
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Post by Moderator on Nov 16, 2003 11:39:38 GMT -5
From: MizzCharlie Sent: 9/20/2003 6:29 PM
Hi Wenonae,
Nope, I'm not on herbs, decided to stick with the BO since I am naturally skinny (visionary type) and I had tried herbs over a year ago with not much success (check out my routine "New and Improved" in Routine's section).
I'm so hesitant about using progesterone! After the research that Fawn did, and also since most girls who grew were not using it, I am wary of starting it. I still have some left over from the last time I tried BE, so maybe I will try again.....but what I really think I'm going to do is add 10mg/day of pregnenolone (which should convert to what my body is needing ie: progesterone if I understand correctly).
I'm wondering, aren't we supposed to be high in estrogen and low in progesterone to grow? Wasn't that the difference b/w this board and Bob's board, that we had decided over here not to use progesterone?
One question I've always wanted to ask: why can't I take RC with BO? Why is it such a big no-no?
Anyway, thank you for your advice
Charlie
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