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Post by Moderator on Nov 9, 2003 13:03:55 GMT -5
From: Herbett1 (Original Message) Sent: 9/22/2003 8:07 PM
If I desensitized and deregulated my receptors when I quickly increased all of my dosages for about a week does it take awhile for the receptors to get back to what they were? Since I’ve cut down I’m still not getting any tingles or anything. But not sure if it’s been long enough to tell the difference yet.
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Post by Moderator on Nov 9, 2003 13:04:16 GMT -5
From: Wenonae_ Sent: 9/22/2003 8:25 PM
Herbett,
You've only been on herbs a little over a month...usually, that kind of sensatization happens after being on for more than 6-9 months at a time, at a high dosage...from input on BEB.
Tough it out for another week at 'weaker' dosages...i'm really thinking due to ur type of BC, it'll really help ur cause to add PR-blockers internally. So that's fenugreek, RC, Expansive, and either oregano or damiana...or combo of both. I'd just try a bottle of one or other to see if there's ANY affect.
That's next week's tweek!
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Post by Moderator on Nov 9, 2003 13:04:36 GMT -5
From: Mominator5 Sent: 9/22/2003 8:41 PM Hi Herbett, Wen is correct, it does take some time for receptor's to get "numb". You could try not taking anything for 1 weekend, including massages. But I doubt your receptors are clogged (so to speak) But one thing I noticed...when I wasn't getting sensations...I typically grew. It's like the tingles, aches, fullness, are preparation for the fat to be dropped! groups.msn.com/BEBoard/general.msnw?action=get_message&mview=0&ID_Message=5945&LastModified=4675425261323209350have a look at this thread. May help you a bit. Not to worry there Herbett, stillness is not necessarily a BAD thing! Let's hope it is a WONDERFUL thing! Momi' |
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Post by Moderator on Nov 9, 2003 13:04:53 GMT -5
From: Herbett1 Sent: 9/24/2003 1:54 PM
Hi there,
Wen, I’m on the OrhoNovum777 bcp. Is that why you think adding more PR’s would be helpful? I think that’s what you’re saying but just want to make sure. right now I am already taking Fenugreek and RC, do you still think I would benefit from adding maybe Damiana everyday or from days 15 - 28?
Thanks Momi for that thread. I understand a bit better now.
I feel so much better knowing it takes awhile to clog your receptors. I was really thinking that I must have messed everything up. So hopefully I’ll be good to go!
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Post by Moderator on Nov 9, 2003 13:05:08 GMT -5
From: Wenonae_ Sent: 9/24/2003 3:38 PM
Herbett,
The short answer is yes. However, Ortho7/7/7 is a mix of estrogen AND progestin, so it's not near as bad as being on just a progestin BC.
Do u feel tingles already and some size change, then lose it after ur cycle comes, if so, ur a prime candidate for PR-blockers either daily or during Days 15-28.
Being on BCP should make things a little easier for u as far as the quantity of pills u need to take to increase ur estrogen levels.
Sorry if it's been asked b4, but what's ur current quantity of fenugreek and RC? If ur already at 1.5-2g's of fengureek, and 2-3g's of RC, then either adding more phtyos is in order, or adding a PR-blocker to see if u can lower the prog. more in your breast recptors (and also other receptors).
Do u cramp or have bad PMS, or are things uncomplicated in that area. That'll help figure out which way to go.
Get back to us
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Post by Moderator on Nov 9, 2003 13:05:25 GMT -5
From: Herbett1 Sent: 9/25/2003 9:53 AM
Hi Wen,
Last month I never felt anything but did grow close to 1 inch, probably more within about 5 weeks I think. Then things settled down with growth and I messed with the dosages of my pills then not much since then. I maybe filling in way up high, higher then where my boobs are now but probably close to where they used to be, but there is no size difference so not sure if I’m right or not. I have also firmed up a bit to since i’ve started. I think maybe I’m getting some slight tingles or real slight pains for the first time but they are not strong at all so I’m not sure if it’s just my imagination. I haven’t lost any size or firmness since I started and not after AF either. I bloat in my belly and waist before AF but didn’t notice anything different with my boobs size, firmness, or soreness. I have never had any soreness there since I’ve been on BC, pregnant, or breastfed, I think I use to get a little sore before AF before I started BC but not since. No I don’t really cramp at all before or during AF, every now and then (and last AF) I cramped a tiny bit but it wasn’t near enough to taking any kind of pain meds for it, barely noticed it really. Right now here’s what I’m taking..
SP - 3000 - 3500
Fenugreek - I changed brands which has different mg. but I think it’s right around 1500 - 2000
Fennel - 1500
RC - 2400
WildYam - 1500
I also massage 2X a day with Fenugreek extract.
I have EPO but haven't added that internally yet, just with the massages sometimes.
I hope this all made since. By the way...is it okay to drink decaf coffee shortly before or after taking BE pills? I know you shouldn’t eat or drink carbonated stuff but just wondering about the coffee? Thanks for everything!
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Post by Moderator on Nov 9, 2003 13:05:41 GMT -5
From: Mominator5 Sent: 9/25/2003 10:59 AM
Hi Herbett,
An inch in 5 weeks! How awesome is that! Sounds like you are a fast responder. I am the same way, then I stalled out for 4 months...switched products and grew a lot more. The stall was prolly more lifting...I did lift quite a bit.
Coffee is caffiene same as soda's. I followed this rule and got some pretty great results. I did not drink any caffiene 1 hour before or 1 hour after taking my supplements. I was very true to this rule! I am terribly addicted to Pepsi, so I would literally watch the clock at times...how bad is that! So according to my theory...pop, coffee, caffiene in general is okay as long as it's timed. Also I personally checked all the sites on the "products" page, more and more BE companies are stating basically the same thing...timing your caffiene.
Congrats!
Momi'
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Post by Moderator on Nov 9, 2003 13:06:02 GMT -5
From: Herbett1 Sent: 9/25/2003 2:42 PM
Hey Momi,
Thanks for the congrats. I’m not positive it was 5 weeks but around there, is was right about when I joined the board. BUT there hasn’t been any growth since then so that’s why I keep thinking I may have done something when I messed with my doses or switched brands of herbs.
Oppps... I meant decaffeinated coffee, is that going to be the same rule since it doesn’t have caffeine? I mean as long as it's not carbonated or has caffeine can you drink whenever you want? When I started BE or shortly after, I have since given up my sodas and my ‘good’ coffee. If we go out to dinner I will usually still get a soda though. but other then that it’s just water. I drink coffee throughout the day but it’s always decaf. but I do put cream in it.
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Post by Moderator on Nov 9, 2003 13:06:18 GMT -5
From: Wenonae_ Sent: 9/25/2003 4:03 PM
Herbett,
A few tweeking possibilities.
-Reduce W/Y since u don't have problems with PMS. W/Y has 3 components, in order, phyto-progesterone, phyto-estrogen, and small amount of PR blockers. Most of the times, it tends mostly show in most ladies as phyto-prog. properties. You could do 1 mos W/Y and 3 mos off. Progesterone blocks prolactin buildup, which helps store fats in boobies with increased estrogen levels. When u drop, drop Day 1 of cycle, or else u could trick ur body into thinking it's really dropping, and cause spotting.
-Add PR blockers. You could see what happens with removal of W/Y first (wait a cycle), however, this is prolly something ur really going to need given ur current 'state' now. If u add, take during whole mos. Damiana leaves 1500mg. To be safe, BEB's going with cycling PR-blockers to keep the glands happy. So that's 3 mos PR-blockers, and 1 mos none or use of prog. cream. Seems like naturally, ur prog. is ok..see what happens when u don't take W/Y and that'll say if u should use W/Y or prog. cream during 'off' mos.
-Add dry massages (quickies 1-3X's a day, when go to b-room or have a 'moment'). However, all the massaging in the world won't help when ur prog levels are higher...and this is prolly the case since u barely cramp.
Hope that helps...ur phyto-estrogen levels look about right, so don't change those for now.
Happy Growing!
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Post by Moderator on Nov 9, 2003 13:06:39 GMT -5
From: Herbett1 Sent: 9/25/2003 4:15 PM
Okay, I gotcha!
So add the Damiania (1500 mg a day) and stop the WY again right? Can I start the Damiania tomorrow?
One thing though, since I'm on bcp would it be possible to have cramps? Probably a silly quest
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Post by Moderator on Nov 9, 2003 13:06:53 GMT -5
From: Wenonae_ Sent: 9/25/2003 4:20 PM
Well, I'm suggesting a 'safer' route...drop W/Y on Day 1 of ur next period. See if tingles and such happen within those first two weeks, at least.
If nothing (no itchies, no aches, no swelling), then add damiana either by next cycle or at start of luteal, like Day 15-28. I think u should plan to be on damiana in general, and not just cycle on luteal only.
Hope that helps even more!
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Post by Moderator on Nov 9, 2003 13:07:07 GMT -5
From: Wenonae_ Sent: 9/25/2003 4:41 PM
O, yeah, Herbett,
If you were progesterone deficient before u started BCP (severe cramps and PMS are good indicators), then u may cramp still, however, in general BCP 'rite' hormonal levels, so u shouldn't be 'uncomfortable'
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