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Post by Moderator on Nov 9, 2003 13:09:25 GMT -5
From: georgiapeach (Original Message) Sent: 9/14/2003 7:24 AM
Does anyone know what causes mid-cycle spotting? This is my 3rd month on herbs, and I'm questioning what's happening! I was previously on BO for 5 months, and did not experience this, but since on herbs, I've barely made it to day 28 - actually was 5 days early the previous month AND now this month I'm spotting (on day 14). I realize some experts say this is normal to have mid-cycle bleeding due to ovulation, but this is the first time I've had it while on BE.
Does this mean I'm not getting enough estrogen, or is the way the herbs are reacting in my body?? I've just purchased another 4 month supply from Greenbush herbs. I'm celebrating my 15th weddning anniversary next month with a trip to the Mayan Rivieria, and certainly don't want to be having hormonal problems with break through bleeding! Help!
Any advise! I'm taking 3000 of Fennugreek, Saw Palmetto, Wild Yam. In the last few days have added about 1500 of Fennel (just because it came free with my order) and also added 300 mg. of BO just because I started cramping around day 9 and thought I might be low in estrogen.
This stuff can be so complicated and confusing!! Any suggestions?
Thanks!
Melissa
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Post by Moderator on Nov 9, 2003 13:09:43 GMT -5
From: Mominator5 Sent: 9/14/2003 11:12 AM
Hi GAPeach,
Geeez! I had the same thing happen, but it was when I started reducing my herbs. Fawn recommended that I continue at full herbs, but the heavy spotting continued all the way through my luteal phase, until my full blown period. I have a sneakin' suspicion that you should NOT have added the BO. I can't give you exact reasoning, but I know that Fawn has warned BO and herbs should not be mixed, with the exception of non phyto-estrogen herbs.
I continued with herbs, until Day 1 of period, then dropped everything at once. Period was very normal and ended on Day 5. However, I continued with the Maca and threw some SP in there. I started spotting again...dropped the SP, and the spotting stopped. So my thinking is...the SP and Maca were conflicting in my body. Which could be very well what is happening with the BO and herb mixture.
Are you on anything else besides what you mentioned? Did you take a break between the BO and herbs? How long have you been doing BE?
Sorry for the all the questions...we need FAWN!
Momi'
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Post by Moderator on Nov 9, 2003 13:10:04 GMT -5
From: georgiapeach Sent: 9/14/2003 8:02 PM
Momi,
I did not take a break from BO to herbs. This is my 3rd month, and I did run out of SP for about 2 weeks. Finally got my Greenbush again, and began taking the SP again ( few days ago) . I am only adding about 300 mg. of BO, but will stop it. The funny thing is, since I've been on herbs my periods are shorter. Doesn't that mean less estrogen??? Also, had some cramping prior to spotting. No fun!!
The spotting was light and so far has tapered off, only lasting for a day! I'm beginning to wonder if the herbs are decreasing my progesterone enough to cause this. I do have low progesterone and take 50 mg. daily.
Do you think it's o.k. to add the fennel along with the other herbs? It came free. I guess I could massage only with the fennel. I did purchase the extracts, and you're right, the taste really makes your mouth pucker! It's hard to measure just from the dropper, so it's a little more complicated to calculate without using a measuring spoon!
Also, Momi, did you flucuate considerably after your period? I had gained soo much fullness, and then deflated about 70%. I've already gained a good bit of the fullness back, but what a bummer! I had also run out of SP at this time, and was freaking a little. But 30% increase every month doesn't sound too bad..... Yes, I know, patience, my dear, right? This BE stuff takes time, money, and a LOT of dedication and endurance!
Thanks for your reply!
Melissa
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Post by Moderator on Nov 9, 2003 13:10:23 GMT -5
From: Mominator5 Sent: 9/14/2003 9:50 PM
Hi GAPeach,
Yep it sounds like the SP may have caused the spotting. It took me quite some time before I figured it out. But I started adding things slowly...like we are supposed to doand found out the SP was causing the spotting for me. Stopped the SP and the spotting stopped too!
If your boobs are swelling that much in the luteal phase, chances are you are low on progesterone. While on BE the "girls" would start hurting as soon as I ovulated. And my boobs would hurt increasingly as the month went on. Me tellin' ya', massagin' would bring tears to my eyes. But I persevered...30% a month...nuttin' to complain about at all! One thing I found I would swell so much before AF, then loose the water, and about day 3-5 I would gain a little bit of what I had lost. Anywhere from 1/4-3/4. So...don't be totally disheartened, you may grow during AF. My periods got shorter too with the herbs anywhere from 26-28 days. Once in a while 23 days. It's just your body adjusting hormones. I could not handle the extracts so I use them for boobie batter. And take the pills.
Well...now I feel better that you are going to drop the BO. It is prolly not wise to mix them. Yes you were on low levels, but still...let the herbs do their job. It does sound like you are responding to them. Since you are low on progesterone you may want to consider the 3 month on....1 month off, for a routine. This is my plan when I return in late December/January.
BTW, how the hirsutism doing with the SP? How much SP are you on?
Bust of Luck, keep of abreast of any further developments
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Post by Moderator on Nov 9, 2003 13:10:42 GMT -5
From: georgiapeach Sent: 9/15/2003 8:14 AM
Momi,
Regarding the SP, I started spotting and cramping when I STOPPED taking it - I probably didn't make that clear I am taking about 4700 of SP daily. I ran out around my period time, and really decreased the amount for about a week, while I was waiting to receive my Greenbush order - Maybe the flucuation in hormones with my SP decrease is what triggered my body to spot. Who knows!!
My hiritism has gotten better, but I don't know if it is from the BO I had taken for 5 months or the SP. I would think that the herbs would not really show any benefits for at least 2 - 3 months?
I didn't have early periods with BO - sometimes late! I realize that herbs are more complex than BO, and hopefully benefiting us more, right? I'll know more at the end of this cycle, as to how my body reacts. I have one month to get my cycle straight before our anniversary vacation
And yes, I probably am not helping matters with my progesterone deficiency by taking progesterone blocking herbs - I hope to figure out the best routine for me real soon!
Have a great day
Melissa
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Post by Moderator on Nov 9, 2003 13:10:57 GMT -5
From: Venus0897 Sent: 9/15/2003 9:30 AM
Hi Georgiapeach,
I too experienced spotting. Sometimes it would happen around day 9 or 10 and then sometimes, even within the same month, I would start to spot again around day 15 or so. Sometimes the spotting would last all the way until my actual period started. I noticed that the spotting would occur each time I tweaked my routine a bit (adding more SP, decreasing EPO, etc.). So, maybe it's just our bodies adjusting to the changes. I have not changed anything the past 2 months and I had no spotting at all this month. I don't know for sure, but maybe that could be what it is.
Venus
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Post by Moderator on Nov 9, 2003 13:11:12 GMT -5
From: Mansi Sent: 9/15/2003 9:36 AM
Hi Georgiapeach,
I was getting spotting after my periods when I stopped taking wild yam.
But when I started taking wild yam again, the problem went away and I never got it after that.
Fawn told me that I was gettign spotting because of lack of progestrone in my body and it seems wild yam is working as a source of natural progestrone in my body.
Just my 2 cents
Mansi
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Post by Moderator on Nov 9, 2003 13:11:28 GMT -5
From: Mominator5 Sent: 9/15/2003 10:09 AM
Hi GAPeach,
Yep...sounds like the loss of SP might have set off the spotting! Good call! You may want to look at some of the posts on Discoveries Links regarding low progesterone. It is a positive for BE, however, can be hell on the body. Low progesterone is a short time natural state. So the theory is for short times, to be low progesterone is not AWFUL for the body. When you started puberty you had spurts of progesterone, pregnancy progesterone is also very low, along with nursing. So the female body can be "low" progesterone for short time spans. That's why breaks from BE and getting body balanced it important.
Glad your comfortable with figuring out what happened, what caused the spotting. That is important, and sounds like you have a good knowlege of your own hormones and body.
Bust of Luck, GAPeach!
Momi'
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Post by Moderator on Nov 9, 2003 13:11:49 GMT -5
From: moomoomama Sent: 9/16/2003 1:02 PM
okay, i read all your posts about the spotting, SP, WY etc. my experience is this. started herbs in early july. got my depo shot end of july. started spotting 8/28 and still am! okay, maybe have had 1-2 days without. it could be the depo but now that i am reading all this maybe not! i am soon due for my shot and am opting not to as depo has been known to cause such problems. Wen, do you spot at all since changeing BC?
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Post by Moderator on Nov 9, 2003 13:12:06 GMT -5
From: Wenonae_ Sent: 9/16/2003 2:07 PM
The only spotting I've had so far since using Yasmin BCP has been about the size of a fingertip, one day. That's pretty good, and I only have 5 days until I take 'break' pills
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Post by Moderator on Nov 9, 2003 13:12:27 GMT -5
From: moomoomama Sent: 9/18/2003 10:31 AM
so Wen, do you think my spotiing is due to depo? reading all this info on SP is getting me confused. then to see Mansis use of WY helped her not to. i still have WY and also have progesterone cream. wonder if i should give it a go. or i could end SP or the depo and see what occurs. being on the depo sight is a little intimidating. have you been there?
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Post by Moderator on Nov 9, 2003 13:12:44 GMT -5
From: Wenonae_ Sent: 9/18/2003 5:28 PM
Moo'ma,
For me, Depo was a PIA to get used to, however, when it finally did happen, I got spoiled by only needing a shot every 3 mos.
I can't say if SP's part of your prob, but I'd be
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Post by Moderator on Nov 9, 2003 13:12:57 GMT -5
From: lilsx1 Sent: 9/20/2003 2:25 PM
hey georgiapeach, did you increase in size with BO??? I am really interested in figuring out if i want to take it or not... thanks for any input!
lilsx1
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Post by Moderator on Nov 9, 2003 13:13:09 GMT -5
From: georgiapeach Sent: 9/20/2003 4:55 PM
lilsx1,
I really didn't having any lasting size change with BO. I did have tingles initially, but nothing of significance happened. I tried BO for about 5 months. I have been on herbs going on my 3rd month, and have had a good bit of swelling, etc. Am looking forward to seeing if it really stays after my period in a couple of weeks!
I think I may be having some side effects with herbs, which I'm going to discuss with a new thread, but I have been losing more hair lately, and that certainly concerns me!
Melissa
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Post by Moderator on Nov 9, 2003 13:13:22 GMT -5
From: lilsx1 Sent: 9/21/2003 5:19 PM
Thanks for the info! Congrats on the swelling, I'll cross my fingers that it will stay for ya and grow more on that! Good luck on figuring out the hair loss thing - looks like a couple other ladies had the same issues and can help you out on that one!
lilsx1
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