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Post by Moderator on Nov 9, 2003 12:52:53 GMT -5
From: pinkmimi (Original Message) Sent: 9/22/2003 11:22 PM
So I've heard that the carbs in starches and sugars can interfere with BE. Sweets I can live without, but I'm having a horrible time trying to stay away from pasta! I usually have it at least once a day in some form or other. I'm also having a hard time figuring out how to gain weight on a low carb diet! I definitely can't afford to lose any weight.
For those of you ladies who have grown, have you found that a low carb diet has been essential to your growth? About how much from the starch and/or sugar category have you permitted yourself to have on a daily basis without adverse effects on growth?
pinkmimi
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Post by Moderator on Nov 9, 2003 12:53:06 GMT -5
From: Vicky Sent: 9/23/2003 1:33 AM
Dear Pinkmimi,
Yes carbs can interfere with BE! And the moon is not made from rock as people think. It's actually one of those big round cheeses. The circles on the surface are not craters as people think, but places where a bite's been taken out of the cheese.
Vicky
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Post by Moderator on Nov 9, 2003 12:53:21 GMT -5
From: Mominator5 Sent: 9/23/2003 8:16 AM
Hi Pinkmimi,
Honesty, I never changed my diet. I LOVE meat, LOVE my carbs. I am not a big sweet eater, but cannot refuse chips. I have not seen anywhere that carbs are bad for BE, caffiene yes, carbonation yes, but not carbohydrates. I do know that high carbs do heighten androgens and can throw you off hormonally. Not that that stops me. Although, due to the androgens which I have plenty of...I have tried to cut back a bit....but not a lot by any means.
Hope this helps...there's my 2 cents!
Cha-ching
Momi'
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Post by Moderator on Nov 9, 2003 12:53:38 GMT -5
From: Mansi Sent: 9/23/2003 10:16 AM
Pink,
If u are on herbs and take them empty stomach, then carbs shold be no problem at all.
Low carbs is for people who do not want to gain weight on BE.
Mansi
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Post by Moderator on Nov 9, 2003 12:53:52 GMT -5
From: cinamiran Sent: 9/23/2003 4:09 PM
Pink,
Not that I have grown much but have grown a little and nope, never changed a thing about my diet... I love pasta, rice and occasionally sweets. If I am correct, I think Pammy ate whatever she wanted to and grew wonderfully and so did Momi.
Miran
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Post by Moderator on Nov 9, 2003 12:54:09 GMT -5
From: pinkmimi Sent: 9/24/2003 9:30 PM
Hi Fawn,
The reason that I thought starches and sugars would counteract BE was because you wrote this to me in your e-mail:
"Make sure you aren't taking too much zinc in your diet, and avoid
starches
and sugars. High carbohydrate diets tend to increase your levels of
SHBG,
which binds up sex hormones and keeps them from reaching their target
cells."
Nothing was mentioned about only avoiding the carbs two hours before bedtime, hence the confusion. But thanks for clearing it up for me. I feel relieved since I'm a big carb fan, and I suspect that I still need to gain a few more pounds!
I'm not sure if you got my return e-mail or just didn't have a chance to reply. I was hoping you (or someone else) could share with me how to calculate my body fat. Since I'm thin, I think it would be a useful fact to find out.
Thanks,
pinkmimi
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Post by Moderator on Nov 9, 2003 12:54:25 GMT -5
From: pinkmimi Sent: 9/24/2003 9:41 PM
Hi Momi', Mansi, and Miran,
Thanks for your replies. I'm glad to hear that people have had growth despite the carbs. I was really having a hard time trying to cut back. Even so many "healthy" foods have some sugary component for flavoring. It's almost impossible to eliminate them entirely. I don't know how Atkins dieters do it! So I'm breathing a sigh of relief that I don't have to totally forsake my pasta.
Thanks,
pinkmimi
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Post by Moderator on Nov 9, 2003 12:56:26 GMT -5
From: pinkmimi Sent: 9/24/2003 10:08 PM
Vicky,
I don't know why you felt the need to answer my post with a snide, sarcastic reply. I've never addressed you before in an impolite manner, and there is no reason for you to be rude to me. The nasty tone of your post is not appreciated.
pinkmimi
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Post by Moderator on Nov 9, 2003 12:57:04 GMT -5
From: kathio8477 Sent: 9/24/2003 10:36 PM
Did you see how she answered my post in the thread ordered mega bust? This is the second one of my posts she made fun of.
My mom used to say "Let an ugly comment just stand alone"(another words don't pay any attention to it). She obviously is looking for attention. Too bad there's not an ignore button to hit. I was interested in your question and it was a good one because I have been on a low carb diet...and I was interested in the replies that were helpful. Thanks for asking the "experts" and getting some good info. We can either let her scare us away from asking questions for fear of being made fun of or ignore her...I choose to ignore.
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Post by Moderator on Nov 9, 2003 12:58:12 GMT -5
From: pinkmimi Sent: 9/24/2003 11:00 PM
Hi Kathi,
I haven't been back at this board in a long time and therefore didn't realize that this Vicky was a known troublemaker. I didn't know why she had taken an obnoxious stance toward me, but I figured she had singled me out for no good reason (i.e. I didn't know this was her typical behavior). Thanks for the heads up!
pinkmimi
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Post by Moderator on Nov 9, 2003 12:58:40 GMT -5
From: fawnmarie42 Sent: 9/25/2003 1:34 PM
Hi Pink,
First of all - you shouldn't post private emails to a public forum without the person's permission - ALSO - it's confusing because what I write to you in a private email probably isn't applicable to anyone else and is very out of context.
In a lot of women, high amounts of sugar and starchy foods increases androgen levels. This has nothing to do with "low carb diets". And it isn't really the "norm". Something you wrote me might have made me think it was something that applied to you. It would interfere with BE though if that were the case. If you have a tendency towards high androgens (like in PCOS, ahem, Momi), high carbohydrate foods could interfere with BE. Better off sticking to lower GI foods.
And yes - diets high in carbohydrate do reduce SHBG (which is why they are recommended for the prevention of breast and prostate cancer).
And I think I posted something about prebedtime carbs and HGH and IGF somewhere on the forum - maybe just on the website. I have brain drain on where it's located.
Vicky's opinionated - not a trouble maker - though we could have done without the sarcasm - especially considering in some cases it can be true that low carb diets are better for some women.
Fawn
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Post by Moderator on Nov 9, 2003 12:59:26 GMT -5
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Post by Moderator on Nov 9, 2003 12:59:47 GMT -5
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Post by Moderator on Nov 9, 2003 13:00:07 GMT -5
From: pinkmimi Sent: 10/1/2003 10:55 PM
Hi Fawn,
I'm sorry that I apparently offended you by posting your e-mailed explanation to me. If it was a rule on this board that the contents of e-mails are not to be posted without asking the permission of the author, then I was not aware of that. I've been a member of many message boards before and have never heard of that as being a part of online etiquette, especially when the contents are a factual discussion and not personal information.
The reason that I quoted your commentary was because the last time I mentioned something that you had said (in a public forum), you told me that I had paraphrased you incorrectly. Now due to the fact that some of what you say is beyond my realm of general knowledge, I now and then become confused and do indeed use terminology that you would not have used. I wanted to avoid that situation by posting your exact comments.
I did ask for your help, and I do appreciate the time you took to answer, but I feel uncomfortable continuing to ask questions of you because it seems that whenever I do, if I don't word something in a very particular way, you take offense. For instance, I asked the ladies if anyone had tried out a "low carb diet" because cutting back on starches and sugars would entail eating less carbs (among other foods). From your post, it seems as though you resent my word choice. Perhaps I should have said "a diet low in starches and sugars"? I really am not trying to be offensive here, but I feel like unless I quote your exact word choice, you are upset, and if I paraphrase (even without mentioning your name), you're upset as well.
In any case, even though I don't feel comfortable continuing to ask for your advice, I want to thank you for the information you provided me with previously. It was very useful.
Thanks,
pinkmimi
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Post by fawnmarie on Nov 9, 2003 13:20:30 GMT -5
I'm not sure if I got a chance to respond to this when it was originally posted.
I was NOT offended about a private email being posted, because the content wasn't particularly personal.
It's just that sometimes people have confused something that was posted/emailed to another individual with something that would apply to them.
If my tone was bad, it was aimed at the snide comments made by Vicky - NOT by pinkmimi's post.
YES - a high carbohydrate diet can interfere with BE for SOME women, and Vicky's sarcastic tone was what I was responding to. And I didn't make that clear.
Sorry if it caused hurt to you pink - it was NOT aimed at you. (And hope you read this.)
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