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Post by Moderator on Nov 15, 2003 22:58:25 GMT -5
From: 2meis Sent: 8/20/2003 7:01 PM Hi Momi and Wen,
I feel like Vic. I know exactly what she is going through. I really thought BO might work but I had to give it up. It made me feel like "S..." (sorry) all the time. I was yelling at my kids too often. If it was before AF I would try the Progesterone but NOOOOO! Anyways, thanks for the advice guys. Right now I am taking about 6g of Sp, 2x RC extract (15 drops) and 4 cups RC tea (hopefully not overdoing it), 1200mg Kudzu root, and doing hypnosis at bedtime (sometimes I fall asleep but I do wake up before the end). I am feeling some tightness in the boobies occasionally (makes me so happy!!!) but nothing yet. I know I have to give it more time but at least I don't feel as bad as when on BO. By the was I had tried fenugreek on its own (about 3g) before and the only thing I got out of it was constant BO (the other kind).
Thanks guys for the support. You guys are really great at making people feel better.
Truly hope everyone has success.
Maria
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Post by Moderator on Nov 15, 2003 22:58:55 GMT -5
From: Mominator5 Sent: 8/20/2003 7:17 PM Hey 2mies, You may wanna give the fenugreek another shot! 3g is too high! Most respond to the lower doses. I am only 1.5g and I have grown quite a bit and no BO (other kind). Sounds like you have a solid program running, and it does take time. Tightening....did you say tightening....OH YEAH! BE is the most frustrating, aggravating thing I have chosen to do. (including having kids) Glad to hear you are sticking with it. And we are here to offer tweakness, kindness, caring, and support. And Tightening is a very good sign! Try the fenugreek, go up slowly though. Bust of Luck Momi'
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Post by Moderator on Nov 15, 2003 22:59:17 GMT -5
From: 2meis Sent: 8/20/2003 7:25 PM Momi, you are so right. BE is extremely frustrating. The only experience I had that was even more frustrating and emotionally painful was trying to get pregnant with the first child. We tried 3 years before we had success and it happened when we weren't really trying. I keep thinking if I wasn't so obssessed with getting bigger it might work. Maybe hypnosis will help with that? ? I think I will have a beer tonight!!!! Maria
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Post by Moderator on Nov 15, 2003 22:59:34 GMT -5
From: Mominator5 Sent: 8/20/2003 7:33 PM
Hi 2 mies, Hey...I had trouble getting pregant with my first too! I had to have progesterone pills to finally get pregnant with him. (no...me not progesterone low). Then I got pregnant 7 months later with the next! Anyway...your routine looks pretty good there girl! Can you list exactly what you are taking and how much? See if we can get that tightness to a tingle or two! Have brewski...very good for boobies! Momi'
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Post by Moderator on Nov 15, 2003 22:59:49 GMT -5
From: Wenonae_ Sent: 8/20/2003 7:41 PM Maria, Seems like you're moving in the right direction. You've got pains now...so do a little more to 'push' them over the top....according to what you've written (1 dropperful 2X's a day), you're at about 1g's RC (is that what your bottle says?). That means you potentially have 'room' for a small increase, if this cycle, you don't notice size difference. Keep us 'abreast' of things!
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Post by Moderator on Nov 15, 2003 23:01:01 GMT -5
From: 2meis Sent: 8/21/2003 3:03 PM Hi Momi, We sure have a few things in common!!! Love caffeine also. Cannot give that up!!That's great. This is what a am taking:
500 mg L-tyrosine AM empty stomach 1800 mg Kudzu root 4 cups red clover tea and 15 drops of the extract twice/day. 6g SP 1500mg hops Pregnenolone 30mg every other day. Just added 1200 mg Fenugreek L-arginine/L-ornithine (before going to bed) I take the herbs 3x/day. Also hypnosis 3 to 4x/week.
Thanks Momi and Wenonae for your help.
Maria
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Post by Moderator on Nov 15, 2003 23:01:14 GMT -5
From: Wenonae_ Sent: 8/21/2003 3:25 PM 2mies, How long have u been doing the pregnenolone?...do u have severe PMS, if not, really consider not using it this cycle....it may be like 'progesterone' in your system. What does your RC extract say that dosage of 15 drops equals?
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Post by Moderator on Nov 15, 2003 23:01:30 GMT -5
From: 2meis Sent: 8/21/2003 5:42 PM
Wenonae, I don't know the equivalent of the drops in mg. I will do some research and let you know.
Thanks
Maria
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Post by Moderator on Nov 15, 2003 23:01:46 GMT -5
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Post by Moderator on Nov 15, 2003 23:02:06 GMT -5
From: Mominator5 Sent: 8/21/2003 6:10 PM Hi 2meis, I am in agreeance with Wen with the preglanone, if you don't need it now, wait until after BE. Why the L'orthinine/L'arginine, again, can this wait until after BE? My personal opinion is keep off everything uncessary for BE, except vitamins, things like that..until you get the growth you are trying to achieve! (just my 2 cents...cha ching) Okay...the caffiene addiction (sisters in caffiene) Do you pay attention to time frames when taking supplements and serving your addiction? I do not partake of my fix for 1 hour before or after taking supplements. And it has served me well! Be careful not to get too much phyto-estrogen. You could very well overdo phyto's and have a dump or worse effect your thyroid. Could also desensatize the breast receptors. We don't want that! YIKES! Just my 2 cents (hey that's 4 cents you made on this post!) Momi'
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Post by Moderator on Nov 15, 2003 23:02:21 GMT -5
From: 2meis Sent: 8/21/2003 6:59 PM Hi guys,
Wenonae, I get my extracts from this company here in Los Angeles called Herb products (very reasonable prices on herbs) and there is no equivalent in mg on the bottle. So if 30 drops = 1000mg, I am taking 1000mg worth of RC a day plus the tea. OK I will drop the Pregnenolone. About the caffeine, I do drink coffee in the morning after I take the pills (empty stomach) and that is BAD. I will try (so hard..can't function without caffeine in the morning..such an addict). I also think that I might overdo it with adding the fenugreek at this stage. I will wait on the Fenugreek and wait one cycle and see what happens. I started taking L-arginine-/L-ornithine after reading Fawn's Botanical lab thing about antiaging. It seems it would help rather than hurt BE. Fawn, what do you think? One benefit that I noticed about 2 weeks after taking L-arginine/L-ornithine is that my arthritis pain in the left hip has gotten much better and I don't have to take Alleve that often. And thanks for all the pennies, Momi. I will throw a few in a fountain and wish for some growth . Anything right?
Thanks guys for all this input. I will keep positive about this (so much easier since I quit BO) .
Maria
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Post by Moderator on Nov 15, 2003 23:02:34 GMT -5
From: Wenonae_ Sent: 8/21/2003 7:09 PM Honestly, Maria, If you're only at 1000mg RC and tea, 1200mg fenugreek, 1500mg hops...that's a solid regime. Stay on that....actually, u may have a little room to increase things a little. Sit tight this cycle....if the L'ar. helps ur arthritis, keep it in. The thing that could hurt the breast growth the most would be pregnolone, and ur dropping that already. Don't forget massages! Happy Growin'!
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Post by Moderator on Nov 15, 2003 23:02:49 GMT -5
From: Mominator5 Sent: 8/21/2003 8:54 PM Hey 2mies, I drink Pepsi first thing in the morning. I know how hard that is to give up...I think I started sweating...walking around with my hand cupped...bumping into walls. But I got used to it. On days off, I set my alarm get up take pills, go potty, go back to bed for another hour, so when I get up I can have my Sweet, Icy, Cold Pepsi! Yeah, I would wait with the fenugreek. Not sure the effect of the l'orthinine/l'arginine with BE, but if arthritis is a problem for you, you may want to look at MSM while on BE, then switch back. I know success is possible with MSM, I use it and have grown. Also MSM is known for it's effectiveness with arthritits. Okay..there's another 2 cents (you is gettin' rich off me) Momi'
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Post by Moderator on Nov 15, 2003 23:03:10 GMT -5
From: 7266Soul Sent: 8/22/2003 3:25 AM Hi guys, In my BE experience, if I have max luteal swelling I just don't keep any of it. Slight swelling seems to have more chance of staying. What I'm saying is that 'growth' spurts (which make me full and achey) never last with me. But I seem to have gradually filled out over a very long time. I was off BE for 3 months and held out at almost 8 1/2 inches during that time. I lost a tiny bit, but hadn't had any growth spurts (or noticeable growth) for about 4 months before my break. But then I'm slightly low on estrogen, an adrenal type, and low in cortisol. I'm making very slow progress now if any. No more tingles. This is my routine at the moment: 5,800 SP<o:p></o:p> 1300 RC<o:p></o:p> 1000 Kudzu<o:p></o:p> 3 x HBA spray<o:p></o:p> 2400mg damiana on day 15 (started this on 15th August). I've changed my attitude to BE. It's no longer do or die every month. I see it more as a very long term commitment! My plan is to cycle (3 mos on, 2 off). This way it won't be a constant factor that I obsess about. In around 2 years of BE (faithfully on BO and shakes) luteal swelling has been my biggest fear! The more I swell the more the tease - i.e. I think YIPEE!! then lose it. From what I've learned from the board, this could be due to too much progesterone - just started damiana which should help, although I haven't noticed anything yet - not feeling frisky yet either. I also noticed that if I have dramatic luteal swelling, it's around every 3 mos or so. I haven't kept a log, but thinking back, I seem to 'respond' to BE within the first week with aches and swelling & luteal swelling. After this, the luteal swelling seems to occur in cycles every 3 - 4 mos. I don't think I retain growth after these major swells but maybe something is happening (cell proliferation that fills with water, then empties? ) that still remains after AF although very hard to measure?. I have very regular periods with only a bit of cramping but nothing major (although once in a while it's heavier and more painful). Does anyone else recognise this pattern? WG
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Post by Moderator on Nov 15, 2003 23:03:24 GMT -5
From: Wenonae_ Sent: 8/22/2003 10:44 AM WG, Since being on Depo (progestin-based), those are my EXACT cycles in swelling and periods...hmmmm. I've got the damiana/oregano thing going on now, and it looks pretty good, getting some nice bounce and fullness...AND I'm throwing in a little hypnosis.....after I get my next cycle (prolly a mos from now)...I'll be reporting measured results
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