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Post by jealkema on Jan 26, 2008 1:34:54 GMT -5
Well, I've spent countless hours on here...and keep changing my mind about where to start! My stats: Age: 29 Hight: 5'4" Weight: 105 lbs Kids: 2 Nursing: (I pumped for several months, but didnit nurse) (also, if this applies, I never grew during pregnancy  ) Starting size: 34 A...maybe AA (27.5 underbust and 31.5 bust) I'm planning to start this routine soon: Fenugreek: 500mg 3x daily (extract) (I don't swallow pills) Saw Palmetto: 500mg 3x daily (extract) Wild Yam: 500mg 3x daily (extract) Batter: Fenugreek extract, olive oil and peppermint So, I'm not sure about EPO vs Wild Yam, or both? Some posts said you don't need either...so any suggestions? Thanks! |
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Post by jealkema on Mar 12, 2008 1:42:44 GMT -5
Okay... so I'm nearly to AF again, and ending my first cycle on BE. I'm a little concerned because I have not had any growth, or any growth signs (itching, tinging, swelling etc.) So I'm wondering... should I be ramping up the herbs... or do I need to try something else? Half way through my cylcle I ramped everything up to 2000mg daily instead of 1500, but I'm still not feeling anything. I massage every night and have just started adding heat after. I am also drinking a protein shake every day since I eat very little meat. The shake gives me 26 grams, plus whatever I take in...so I think I'm okay there. Can anyone give me some suggestions on where to go with my second cycle? I'm getting ready to order herbs again, so I'd like to have an idea of what I need  I know BE is not an overnight thing, but I hate to keep the same routine if it's not working at all. Any help is greatly appreciated! |
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Post by Wenonae on Mar 12, 2008 8:49:49 GMT -5
Hiya. Wow..not even a tease of largeness during your pregnancy? Interesting. Means you're quite well-stocked in progesterone levels then. K, get your BE checklist should be: (NONE OF THE ITEMS YOU'RE USING NOW) Fennel, Red Clover and Damiana. Massage- sporadic (for relief from itchiness or aches using bare hands only and NO HEAT should be added). Ramp over 3 month period (approx doses): Fennel from 400mg-1500mg, Red Clover from 500mg - 2500mg, damiana from 300mg - 1500mg. First and 2nd- month take your dose in the evening after you've eaten your dinner meal. By 3rd month split pills evenly into 2 doses- take one in evening after meal and one in morning on empty stomach. You only need 26g protein a day. If you eat enough meat that day, the extra protein shakes aren't needed. Save some dollars..  Happy Shoppin' Wen' |
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Post by jealkema on Mar 12, 2008 11:40:38 GMT -5
Thanks for the quick reply Wen! I'm glad I didn't order any more herbs yet.
I knew I probably had an estrogen deficiency because my AF was always extremely irregular before I started BC pills, and my doc said I didn't have enough body fat % to make the estrogen needed for regulating AF. I never thought of high progesterone being the culprit for not gaining any growth in pregnancy (which I was really bummed about!).
I'll order the new herbs and start on them within the next week hopefully. Thanks again!
Jen
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Post by Wenonae on Mar 12, 2008 15:59:54 GMT -5
YW. Forgot to mention- 3 cups MAX possible an est. 9 months from now. You won't need to do a liver cleanse until after that time frame. You'd stay at the MAX dose for 6 months. Wen' |
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Post by jealkema on Mar 19, 2008 1:27:27 GMT -5
Okay, I got all of the new herbs (which came the next day!) and started on them three nights ago. So my question is... how often should I be ramping up to get to the max dose by three months? Is it every month... twice a month...I'm really not sure! Also... should I only be massaging to relieve itchies and so on... or have a regular daily massage routine? Thanks again! Jen |
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Post by Wenonae on Mar 19, 2008 10:42:46 GMT -5
Okay, I got all of the new herbs (which came the next day!) and started on them three nights ago. So my question is... how often should I be ramping up to get to the max dose by three months? Is it every month... twice a month...I'm really not sure! Figure out how many pills it takes to reach MAX dose from MIN dose. Then add an even amount each cycle. Also, change only one herb's dose each week. Take Red clover for example from 1 to five pills. Cycle 1 use one, Cycle 2 add 2 in week 1, Cycle 3 add 2 more in week 1. Fennel goes from 1 pill to 4 pills or something like. Cycle 1 use one pill, Cycle 2 add one pill in week 2. Cycle 3 add 2 pills in week 2. Damiana[/i] goes from 1 pill to 6 pills or something like. Cycle 1 use 1 pill, Cycle 2 add 2 pills in week 3, Cycle 3 add 3 pills in week 3Week 4 should not be any dose changes- it's the week before AF. Answered in reply #2 already Wen' |
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Post by jealkema on Apr 7, 2008 20:48:16 GMT -5
Well I'm three weeks into my new BE routine (red clover, fennel and damiana). Still no sensations, swelling or other signs of BE yet...maybe because of the low starting dose? Also... I have a question for Wen (or anybody else who may know!)...
I'm currently on Ortho Cyclen BC pills...does this affect my current routine? And to add to that, my husband had a vasectomy last month, so I'm planning to drop the BC pills after the next cycle...will that make a different in what I should be taking BE wise?
Thanks!
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Post by jealkema on Apr 13, 2008 0:00:10 GMT -5
Okay, end of 2nd cycle (1st with new routine). Actually, it should still be another three days, but somehow AF came early even though I still have more BC pills to take. Could the herbs be causing that? Anyway, no measured growth for this cycle, and I think I'm going to drop the BC pills...hopefully that helps! I'll be ramping up the red clover to 1500 soon too
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Post by Wenonae on Apr 13, 2008 19:06:02 GMT -5
Hey Jen- Dropping ortho, will allow your BE to speed up. Yep, the cycle change is due to the pills. You won't really feel any sensations until the next cycle (not this current one). Don't change your regimen, you're ramping up as appropriate and safe for your system. Wen' |
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Post by jealkema on May 11, 2008 18:15:30 GMT -5
End of cycle 3... and I just finished ramping up the last of the herbs this week. So, I'm now at the max dose for all three. I haven't measured yet, but I'm pretty sure there hasn't been any growth (which I wasn't expecting since I wasn't at the max dose). The only noticable change I've had this past week is some cramping (one really bad morning of it!), but AF still isn't here. And also, the last two days, a lot of nipple soreness. I'm not sure if this is due to ramping up, or due to upcoming AF (1st cycle off birth control pill in many years). I've never had soreness before, so I'm not sure which one is the culprit. Hoping to see some growth this month!
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Post by Wenonae on May 11, 2008 21:03:54 GMT -5
Hiya Jen-
Eeks about cramps. Midol is your fix if for your next cycle.
Anyways, you needed a little bit a spiritual help. Sent some your way so you can see the physical progress.
Nipple soreness= indicates glands growing. First part of BE progress. Keep things up!
Wen'
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Post by jealkema on May 30, 2008 20:11:11 GMT -5
Well AF came later than expected. I was so confused with all the funky cramping I kept getting! Anyway, just had it on the 20th, and I'm still at the max dose for the herbs. I haven't felt any senstaions since starting AF 10 days ago, and no growth yet. My left breast seems to be a bit larger than the right, but I can't tell if it's growing..or the right is shrinking! LOL
I'm getting ready to buy herbs again, and want to make sure I'm not needing to change anything. Should I be feeling more BE signs by now?
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Post by jealkema on Jun 10, 2008 14:17:41 GMT -5
Nearly the end of cycle 4. I'm still not having any growing pains/signs yet. had to stop the Red Clover for three days during this cycle when I ran out...but when I started back on it again, nothing changed as far as swelling/itching etc. Do I need to add/delete anything? Is it possible to grow without any signs (other than increased measurements of course...lol)
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Post by Wenonae on Jun 10, 2008 16:03:47 GMT -5
Hey Jen- Ooo, missed a post from ya. Funny abt don't know which way it's going (shrinking or other growing). Yeah, it's possible to have most sensations at night when you're sleep and just wake up with more. It seems you should change something in your regimen tho'. You'll mostly only have soreness as your sensation. The RC amount is fine, up fennel a little bit more (1 more pill), and your damiana dose is fine. Next cycle, you should be at the max amounts. Next cycle you should start seeing fullness/size increase. Hang in there. Wen' |
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