jessie's Program

[jessie]

Im34 years old,married and have 3 children.Never breastfed
I do smoke and do drink beer and have some wine every now and then.I havent drank much alcohol since I started BE in March.
Im about 5'5'' about 128 lbs.
This is what Ive been taking:
I started off taking Fenugreek 610 mg--Saw Palmetto 450mg--Wild Yam 405 mg--Fennel Seed 480 mg and taking EPO 500mg.Centum,multivitamin
I quit taking Fenugreek because I was having bad headaches and always felt tired all the time.so Now all Im taking is S P ,WY,Fennel Seed ,EPO and the multivitamin.Im taking these herbs 2 pills each 3 times a day.I slowly ramped up to this amount by the way.
I just added Enhanement Blend Extract from Greenbush in some juice 2 times a day.
I havent seen much of a difference since starting this.
Oh I forgot to mention about massage-I use cocoa butter and vitamin E oil.I try to get in as many massages as I can.I deffinately try to at night.Sometimes I dont get to every day,though.Sometimes I use Olive Oil and Enhancement Blend Extract for massage and If time allows I will use plastic wrap and a heating pad at least once or twice a week.but definately use just the heating pad after massage.
I would like any input about my program, if I should add or subtract anything that might help give my boobs an extra boost.
Thanks in advance!

[jessie]

I really like your input most of all.You seem so knowledgeable about this subject.Sorry to bother you,but your input would mean the world to me!
Thank You Very Much!

[Wahaika]

Hello Jessie,

I have some questions. Let's see if I have this right so far.

Stats (A stats page would be good for this)

Female
Age 34
5' 5"
128 lbs
Children: 3 (never breastfed)

Questions: Still need to know band and cup size before kids and after. Waist and hip measurements would help to know what basic body type you are, which tells where fat tends to accumulate, along with general health, general exercise and eating habits.


Routine

Internals:
Saw Palmetto 450mg 2 ea X 3 per day = 2700mg/day total
Wild Yam 405 mg 2 ea X 3 per day = 2430mg/day total
Fennel Seed 480 mg 2 ea X 3 per day = 2880mg/day total
Greenbush Enhancement Blend 2 times per day in juice. ?ml?
EPO 500mg. 2 ea X 3 per day = 3000mg/day total
Centrum, multivitamin


Questions:
Is a B complex part of your multivitamin?
How much Zinc is in your multivitamin?
How long have you been doing this?
How did you determine what to ramp up to?


Externals:
Cocoa butter and vitamin E oil massaged in every few days?

Sometimes Olive Oil and Enhancement Blend Extract for massage and If time allows you use plastic wrap and a heating pad - At least once or twice a week.

Questions:
And whenever you do massage, you always follow up with a heating pad?
This is every few days?
For how long?
Heating pad set to low?

Thanks for your patience with all the questions,

Wahaika

[jessie]

First of all THANK YOU SO MUCH for taking your time in helping me-your a sweetheart!
I wear a 34 B bra but dont quite fill it right.When I was pregnant-I did get Real big but cant remember the size I got to when pregnant though
I dont know what my body type is,but what little fat I do have is on my upper thigh area.Im skinny-kinda petite.
I am 34 around bust area
29 around waist area
and 36 around hip area
I do smoke, which I was trying to quit,its very hard.My eating habits are so-so.I try to eat healthier.I buy whaet and multigrain bread started to add honey to my diet here and there.I dont eat much meat,very picky when it comes to that,but not a vegetarian,I WILL NOT eat any kind of seafood.I do try to add more protein foods to my diet like kidney beans,peanut butter and so on.But I dont think its enough.Was considering on buying protein shakes for an extra boost.
As far as exercise goes,I dont do any kind of real exercises. I go up and down stairs alot during the days.sometimes I take the kids for a walk every now and then,or play with them at the park.But as far as real exercise goes-not really.
Even though I smoke- I feel pretty good about my general health-Really
As far as the multivitami goes Im Taking Centrum A-Zinc.
Tablet contains - % DV

Vit.B6 2mg - 100%
VIT.B12 6mg - 100%
Zinc 15 mg -100%

I just started taking a multivamin about 2 weeks ago.
The reason I ramped up(slowly ramped up) is because in the beginning I felt tingles all the time but I havent lately so I decided to go up.I was only taking I pill each a day but now I went up to 2 pills of each a day.
As far as massage goes-I would use cocoa butter and vitimin E oil during the day,no heating pad during the day.Im currently out of cocoa butter so I was just using Shea butter and Vitamin E Oil until I buy more cocoa butter.I massage whenever I get a chance to during the day.I spend less than 5 minutes in the bathroom massaging because Im home all day with the kids,and I watch another kid as well so I dont get to disappear for very long to massage during the day.I try to massage when I can every day.As far as night massages goes .I spend more time doing this.I use Olive Oil and Enhancement Blend Extract at night.When Im finished with massing I use the heating pad on medium setting because on the low setting,I cant feel much heat coming from this at all.I only wrap with plastic only once maybe twice a week when I do night massages.I dont get to do night massages every night as well.By the time the kids are asleep I tend to be "knocked out" as well.LOL. If I get up in the middle of the night,and if I feel like it,then I will massage.
All I can say about the massage thing is I try to do it everyday,when I can.I am not consitant like alot of other people.So thats probably a mistake right there,RIGHT?
Anyway- I hope this kinda answers your questions.
I would like to take Flaxseed oil as well, but as far as what else to add Im not sure.I havent seen much results with what Im doing.Im very consitant on taking my herbs everyday though,Its just the massage thing .
I know I was doing this long at all and I know all this takes time-
OH I forgot to mention,SMALL BOOBS RUN IN THE FAMILY!! : (
Its just that since the tingles went away,I wasnt sure if I stalled on such low doses or I just needed to ramp up.I just went ahead and slowly ramped up,before I asked for any kind of opinion.
Anyway-Thanks for any input you throw my way.I really admire you,I guess I could say,because you are Very knowledgeable on this subject.Once Again_THANK YOU!!!!!

[Wahaika]

Jessie,

It looks to me like you may have stalled. But your size seems to match the dosages that you are on, other than it would be better to be on Fenugreek than Fennel.

The reason you felt bad all the time on fenugreek is because it lowers blood sugar. If you want to, you can try ramping up fenugreek, ramping down fennel, but use fennel in a "tea." You can deal with the fenugreek intake by eating some hard candy or drinking soda and the rise in blood sugar will take away the headache pretty fast - like in 2 minutes. Longer term, up your carb intake and you should be OK.

Another thing to do is to completely throw out your entire massage routine and replace it with fenugreek extract (Greenbush is really good) and some aloe vera gel. Rub it in for about 5 minutes. Follow it with 20 minutes of low heat - or medium as long as the heat is very mild, - and leave it on all night if you can. You can do the same in the morning but without the heat if you don't have the time. A drop of peppermint oil or some peppermint extract will hide the smell.

Do not use the Enhancement Blend as a topical. I am not a fan of the enhancement blend at all, whether internal or external. But if you wanted to use it but not waste your money by throwing it out, you could get kit #3 which is the separate extracts, and use the enhancement blend as a base and use the spearate extracts to adjust with. I have never been a fan of the enhancement blend simply because it lowers your ability to adjust individual herbs, and it is totally useless as a topical because of the Saw Palmetto.

Try this for a month or two. You may have to adjust the dosages a bit depending on how you feel. It may be that by doing these things the growing pains will also return. It just takes time to do it all.

Good luck!

Wahaika

[jessie]

Wahaika
Looks like I dont have to change much-cool!But I will definately try your advice!Now as far as the aloe vera gel goes,it doesnt really matter what kind you get ,does it?Can you use cream or is gel better?I will try the Fenugreek again and try the candy thing,but if I start to feel 'weird' like I did before,then I will stop taking it and just stick with Fennel.But I will let you know down the road how its going!
Once Again-Thank You!

[Wahaika]

Great! I would be interested to know if the fenugreek headaches cannot be removed easily with simple sugars.

Madredesiete uses aloe vera gel. It works great. I'm not sure about cream. Maybe others have used aloe vera cream. If it absorbs as easily as the gel then it is probably good.

Wahaika

[jessie]

I noticed that you recommend some use DMSO for massage as well.Do you think I should add some DMSO to the Fenugreek and Aloe Vera Gel that you recommeded for me or just leave it at that?
Also how come Saw Palmetto isnt good for breast massage?I never heard of this before.The guy from Greenbush(Joel,I think his name is) said Enhancement Blend Extract is the better choice,thats what he said to me anyway.

[Wahaika]

Aloe vera gel is pretty good stuff. Try it without the DMSO first and see how things go.

Joel and I will have to disagree on this one. I would be curious to know what his reasoning is.

My reasoning is that the value of Saw Palmetto is in its use as an internal since one of the primary functions is to block the conversion of testosterone to DHT, thus leaving the testosterone more available to be aromatized into extrogen. This is not an external function. It is an internal one. Fenugreek or Fennel, on the other hand, are both. The phytoestrogen itself is what fills estrogen receptors so you want it coming in from both directions. Saw Palmetto is not a phytoestrogen so it does not work from the outside in for NBE. Now if you are going bald......

Anyway, not that SP is bad as an external, just inert. BTW, Madredesiete tried SP extract for massage and the result was that there was no growth whatsoever for that time (couple of months?).

[jessie]

Thanks so much for all the information!
Like I said,I will try what you suggested and will let you know in a month or two.

[jessie]

I just wanted to let you all know that I will be giving up smoking in a few days.I know that I have been slow in my progress in BE,and think smoking has alot to do with it.I know some girls on this forum who smoked and still had great results,Pammy, I think was one of them.So wish me luck,CUZ" Im gonna need it!
As far as my progress is going,its still going kinda slow.I havent measured yet,thats because I dont know the right way to measure.But anyway,I hope with me quiting smoking, it will help move things along with BE.I will keep you updated.

[Wahaika]

Jessie,

What is your current routine?

Are you still using cocoa butter and vit E, or Enhancement blend in your massage?

Wahaika

[jessie]

What is your current routine?

As of right now,Im taking 2 pills of each 3 times a day- 610 mg Fenugreek, 480mg fennel, 405mg wild yam and 450mg saw palmetto,1000mg of flaxseed oil .500mg of vitamin C once a day and Im still taking the multivitami every day.
I was thinking about adding omega 3 6 9 because of the borage oil,but not sure.


Are you still using cocoa butter and vit E, or Enhancement blend in your massage?

I am using the Wonderup cream during the day and using Fenugreek extract in olive oil at night with the heating pad.I will buying aloe vera gel this weekend to use with the fenugreek extract.

Im just not sure if I need to add or subtract anything.I havent been doing good this past month keeping up with my routine because it is so frustrating so I dont really know if I had any kind of changes.Im done done with feeling down about this whole BE thing and ready to get back into a regular schedule again.I want the month of August to be a good month for me.It will be 6 months for me at the end of August
Thanks for asking!