Vickies routine

[Glasskulan]

...is obviously not a very good one !?! I've been trying different herbs to get fuller breasts but the results are poor. I'm an A-cup. My bodytype is nurturer and I'm 5'6''. Weight:about 70 kg. My bloodtype is 0-.

I started using Breast control, almost the same as for example Bloussant, about six or even seven months ago. After having no sensations at all I added Greenbush enhancement blend extract (14/6). I felt soreness from time to time, but there was no visible growth. Then when I ran out of Greenbush herbs I decided to take individual herbs (16/7)(FG, F, WY and lately RC and Turmeric) I also switched from Breast control to QB about a month ago.

Seeing no difference, I started dowsing. That was about a couple of months ago now. I got pretty clear answers at first, but that has changed. At the moment I take about 2,5g of FG, 1,5g of F, 2g of WY, 2ml of Tu, 1,5-2g of RC and 3 QB-pills a day. I also take about 500mg of EPO and 30mg of CoQ10.

I think that I should have been able to see some difference by now, even though I've changed my routines a couple of times. The herbs have been about the same all the time, in different amounts, except for RC and Turmeric. Maybe the amounts that I take aren't enough. I would be very greatful for any advice...

[Wahaika]

Anna,

Please accept my apology for getting off on the wrong foot earlier.

I think that your dosages are too low on some things and others are not doing anything for you.

Ramp down slowly and take a 3 month break.
You might also do a liver cleanse. This will help get more benefit from the CoQ10 when you start again.

Go to www.greenbush.net/hargirbrease.html and get the 90 day kit. Instructions come with it. It is based on the four staple herbs Fenugreek, Fennel, Wild Yam, and Saw Palmetto.

Additionally, take 1 gram each of EPO and Flax Seed Oil three times per day.
Take a good multi vitamin with zinc and a preferably one that contains a B complex - whatever the recommended dosage is on the bottle.

Some good instructions are also < HERE. >:
(see message 5 of 7)

Infusion twice per day:
Try 1/2 tablespoon of Fenugreek and 1/2 tablespoon of Fennel, wraped in something like a coffee filter, steeped for 20 minutes.

Massage:
1/2 cup Olive Oil + 1/2 cup Fenugreek + 24 Borage Oil (one gram) caps. Steep for one week minimum before first use. (The longer the better) We now use Borage oil instead of EPO in this mixture. Borage has a higher concentration of GLA - 23-25% vs. about 8% for EPO. EPO is still used internally.

Get 2 (at least) 8oz empty containers such as dark glass bottles or empty hand lotion bottles. Steep with one while using the other.

Shake well. Massage in using the example found < HERE. > at least once per day:

On circular rotations, go in circles where the rotation goes down on the inside, up on the outside. I think Lucy has a more clear illustration somewhere on the direction of rotation on those techniques that are circular in motion.

Apply heat for 30 min. (Don't forget the plastic wrap) My wife uses heated blanket set on the lowest setting for 20-30 minutes. If you can, leave it on all night and wash it off in the morning.

Keep good records of your progress. Take measurements at mid cycle and record them. We keep records in an Excel spreadsheet. Don't measure every day. You'll go crazy.

Start on day one of your cycle. The best way to take the herbs is to ramp them up very slowly. Be aware of aches and itchy feelings. These are signs of growth.

When you start to feel those then you have found the beginning of levels that work for you. If you continue to ramp up, do so slowly from there to a maximum of 5 grams per day of any particular herb. (two to three capsules, 3 times per day) Watch out for stalling. Do not exceed a total of 5 grams per day of any internal herb. Saw Palmetto is an exception.

If you stop feeling sensations for a week. Just record that level and back off to the beginning level and slowly go up from there. It is a lot of adjustment. Another way to do this is to take a one week break. You will probably feel sensations as your blood levels clear. When you feel them, start again at a significantly lower level and continue the ramp up but not as far. My personal belief is that 3450 mg total per day is a good level to be at. Other factors affect that though.

To complicate things, Greenbush herbs are not 500 mg capsules anymore. They are 575. Be aware of this or your total mgs will make you stall when you get to higher levels of herbs. If you take 3 of these three times per day you will stall.
My wife's ramp up goes like this: The following is in either 500mg or 575mg capsules. If you use Greenbush's 575 mg capsules, watch out for the total daily amount of each herb!

1 = one per day at breakfast.
2 = two per day, one at breakfast, one at lunch.
3 = three per day, one at breakfast, one at lunch, one at dinner or before retiring.
4 = two at breakfast, one at lunch, one at dinner or before retiring.
5 = two at breakfast, two at lunch, one at dinner or before retiring.
etc.
For Greenbush capsules, I would say that 5 per day is a good stopping point for estrogenic herbs.


Here is the method of ramping up.

Day...FG...SP...WY
1.......1.....0.....0
2.......2.....0.....0
3.......3.....0.....0
4.......3.....0.....0
5.......3.....1.....0
6.......3.....2.....0
7.......3.....3.....0
8.......3.....3.....0
9.......3.....3.....1
10.....3.....3.....2
11.....3.....3.....3
12.....3.....3.....3
13.....3.....3.....3 Stay at this level for a week or so and see if you have any feelings of growth.
14.....3.....3.....3
15.....3.....3.....3
16.....3.....3.....3
17.....3.....3.....3
18 Skip one day. This is just an example. I'll explain it below.
19.....3.....3.....3 If no signs of growth, resume. If signs of growth, resume ramp up slowly.
20.....4.....3.....3
21.....5.....3.....3
22.....6.....3.....3
etc.

(The routine is < HERE. >)

Regarding "day 18." Skipping this day is to facilitate the LH spike and to clear receptors. It is not always day 18 for everyone but it's the best guess because it is really more of a prediction. This day is calculated from the total number of days from the previous cycle minus 14 days. So, if you have a 28 day cycle, 28 - 14 is 14. You would take nothing on day 14 in this case. I always wonder if 14 is a little too early. It could be that subtracting 10 days is better for some. Whatever works for you is best.

There are no guarantees and it takes a lot of discipline. The growing is two steps forward and one step back all the way. You will need to do whatever routine you do for at least 6 months to give it a chance. If you start "deflating" in the first month, this is an indication that it is working. Just keep pushing on and it will all fill in, probably by the next month.

Good luck. I hope that this is helpful.

Wahaika

[Glasskulan]

Hi Wahaika!

We might have our differences of opinion, but I don't think that anyone of us really has the intention of making enemies on this board. That's not why we're here, is it?

So, thanks for trying to help. Following your advice would really take a lot of discipline, sure. I'm one of those dowsing ladies, and as a matter of fact, after having read your post I was astonished at the similarities of the indications of my p and your suggestions! You said that 3450 mg total per day was a good level, and this morning, before I read your post, my p indicated that I should take about 3400 mg of for example FG. I thought that I must have been getting the wrong answers since I usually take less... How about that!!! Now wait a minute, you aren't saying that I should only take about 3450 mg total, counting in all herbs, are you? That would be nothing, not to this girl. Almost like the first five months on Breast control No you couldn't mean that, because then you wouldn't have written that you think that some of my dosages sre too low

I believe in the dowsing method, but I don't think that I'm always relaxed enough to practice it correctly (although today perhaps I was...). So I'll consider your suggestions. I just don't know if I have enough patience left.

Anyway, what if I have just started deflating, without any sensations of pain or itching (oh yes, on my arms, maybe they'll start growing Just kidding) Could that be a sign that I'm starting to grow anyway? Even without the sensations, I mean. I have been tweaking my routine since June, I think. I have also felt soreness in my breasts several times during theese months on NBE, without any growth at all.

One more thing, is Saw palmetto generally regarded as an absolutely necessary item for NBE? I don't take it any longer. It didn't seam to make any difference, but I don't know...

[Wahaika]

Hi Anna!

Yep, 3450 mg total was total per day per herb. The purpose of going on a break was to clear your system from everything you had been using for the last 6-7 months starting with Breast Control and ending with dowsing.

Saw Palmetto is a DHT inhibitor. The hope there is that DHT will decrease, leaving more free testosterone to aromatize with. It is one of those things that doesn't do any harm and might do a lot of good.

You're right. This routine takes unrelenting dedication. But what worthwhile goal does not take some amount of disclipline to accomplish?

The real key in Greenbush's routine is a slow ramp up and attention to the body signals. It takes patience, and attention to detail because you have a lot to do all at once. But everything you have done to this point takes patience also. You can do it!

Wahaika

[Glasskulan]

An update of my routine.

I have added RC and CoQ10 to my routine. I also take more of the herbs that I used to take. My dosages at the moment are the following: FG 3000mg, RC 3000mg, WY 2000mg and CoQ10 40mg. I sometimes take Fennel and Turmeric too, but the doses are low, about 500-1000mg a day.

I started this new routine about a week ago and I have started to get sensations of pain again, that is soreness in my breasts now and then. I haven't felt anything in a couple of days now, but I hope the pain will be back! ;D

We'll see how it goes. I'm so greatful for the support I have gotten from some of you, especially you Warriorqueen and you Wen

I'll be back

[Glasskulan]

Time for an update. I don't take Turmeric, neither do I take Fennel any longer, except for that, my routine is almost the same as before. I have added Black cohosh (about 1600 mg) though. Ever since I started taking the Black cohosh I have had tingles and pains more often, especially one week before and during my period!

I sometimes feel vibrations in my breasts. I'm almost afraid that they will show (the vibrations I mean...) Hope not. Anyway, I can feel that there's something going on and I really hope it's got something to do with the BE!

[Glasskulan]

It's time for an update! I took a break from NBE for almost a year. Now I'm back

My routine is completely different from the ones I've tried before. Actually I haven't heard about anyone on this board taking the same pills as I do at the moment...

I have started dowsing again and I feel more comfortable about it now than last year. With help from one of the wonderful dowsing ladies on this board I've found something that's hopefully going to work for me. It's called VIP for women. Ingredients are among others: Damiana, Dong quai, Avena sativa, Wild yam, ginseng, Maca, Black cohosh and Niacin. I have dowsed that I will gain almost one cup size in about two months using those pills

I'm currently an A-cup (bandwidth is 36 but I don't fill a 36-A cup, but according to my p I will in about a month from now!). This is really exciting to me. Yesterday I felt the shapest pain in my breasts (no in one of my breasts to be exact) that I've ever felt. Hope it was growth pain. It only lasted for some minutes... So we'll see. I've only just started.

Anyway I dowsed that within two months from now I will become a 36 B!!! The dowsing "session" was "only" 95% accurate, but yet. This is really going to be interesting to me! Wonder if such a growth in such a short time really is possible