Greenbush Ramp-Up

[Wahaika]

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wahaika said:

4) Another thing to try is to cycle your internals based on the estrogen cycle. I would not do this unless you are at least in month 6 (latter half) and nothing is working.

Beginning of week 4 of cycle:
Lower the dosages by half. Continue at this level until cycle day one. Then work out a ramp up to be at full dosages (2875mg each) by mid cycle. Remain at full dosages until week 4. Don't forget to skip "last day minus 2 weeks" cycle day, or mid cycle day.

Yep, I blew it. "Continue at this level until cycle day one." should read: Continue at this level until cycle day 21 or beginning of week 4."

Every Cycle:
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Remain at full dosages until cycle week 4 (day 21 of a 28 day cycle) then lower the dosages by half.

Continue at this level (half dosages) until cycle day one.

Skip dosages on cycle day 1.

At cycle day two, do a ramp up to be at full dosages (2875mg each) by mid cycle.

Skip dosages on mid cycle day. (calculated by last cycle day minus 2 weeks for a 28 day cycle. 28-14=14)

Continue at this level (full dosages) until cycle week 4 (day 21 of a 28 day cycle) then drop to half dosages.

(over and over - every cycle)

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...remembering that this has never been tried and is just an option to try if nothing else is working after 6 months.

2. Next cycle.

Good luck!

[baylee]

I saw a product on Fawn's Botanical site called Mirifem. Has anybody out there tried it with any success? Thanks!

[Avena]

Hello, I read all through and I would like to know what is DMSO for?

I will begin my routin today, and I have a pill, it is similar to All natural Curves, it contains 1145 mg Saw palmetto, 50 mg fenugreek, black cohos, 75 mg hops and fennel. I thought to begin with it, and take more fenugreek (ramp up with it to 2000 mg, I'm AA cup), EPO 1000 mgx2, and massage.
what do you think? should I take more Saw Palmetto? or Wild Yam?
thanks

[Wahaika]

Avena,

I need more information before I can tell you what I think. Read though several of the stats pages and then make one of your own with the information listed.

My standard answer for Black Cohosh, Hops, and Red Clover (with a possible exception in your case) is don't use them.

The reason a stats page is so important is because everyone is different and each case needs to do things a little differently. You will find that I use the Greenbush individual herbs and routine as a baseline. My wife used Pammy's routine as a foundation when she started the first time and very good success with it, so that is why I refer to it so often. You have much greater control with individual herbs than with a prepackaged pill that has herbs that conflict with each other and not enough of any one herb to do the job.

I'll be watching for the stats page and post here as soon as it is up.

Wahaika

[Wahaika]

DMSO is a carrier, but you only use a couple of drops. It needs to be 99% strength or close. It can be obtained from health food stores.

I could not find anything on Dream Breast, but if it is like All Natural Curves, you might want to stop that immediately. The Black Cohosh has got to go.

Option #1:
Here is Lucy's Routine with a few changes:

HERBS: One capsule of each, 3x per day
Fenugreek 610
Fennel 480
Saw Palmetto 540
Wild Yam 500
Red Clover 430

Hippychick's Boobie Batter (moddified):

Red Clover Extract (2 ml)
Virgin Olive Oil (enough to cover area)
2 drops DMSO (one drop each side after massage but before heat)

Rub in nightly (300+ rotations or 5 minutes) before bed and apply heat from a heated blanket set on low for 15 minutes. Do once during the day if possible.

Rotations should be circular. Direction of rotation is down in the middle, up on the outside.

Internals - ramp up slowly. See the chart on madredesiete's routine.

Option #2:
madredesiete's routine, and massage w/batter and DMSO. Ramp up slowly feeling for signs of growth. When you hit those, go a little further and sustain those dosages. The amounts for the internals will probably not exceed about 2000mg per day because of your size.

Both Options: Good multi vitamin that contains a B Complex and zinc. 1 gram of Borage oil per day along with the other suppliments. Use good potent herbs!

Make a stats page and put whatever you want to start with on it and we can take it up there.

My personal preference is really toward madredesiete's routine but still use DMSO in a batter with a fenugreek base rather than red clover. I have 0% confidence in Red Clover as an internal. Red Clover as an external may be OK. Maybe use both.

What do you think?

Wahaika

[shakira8]

Hey Wahaika!
How many mg's of zinc should a multi-V have?

[Wahaika]

30 mg.

Do not exceed 80 in one day.

[shakira8]

Aaah,I'll check mine as soon I get home!Thanx Wahaika!

[Avena]

Thanks Wahaika
Ok, I will stop using this Dream Breast ( I think it is the same as All Natural Curves only has a new name in my country, but the same ingredients, they got blank bottles so they can put a new one on it.)

I think I prefer Madtedesiete's routine, that's why I wrote here first, so I will get Fenugreek and Saw Palmetto and Wild Yam, DMSO.
I have a multivitamin, but it has only 5 mg Zink so I will looking for another one...

recently I use this for massage: 1/2 cup Olive Oil+1/2 cup Fenugreek+ 24 g EPO, the original receipe had Borage Oil, but I didn't find it in the shop

Is it ok to take EPO instead of Borage Oil?

And I will modify my stat when I got everything, but till then can I use fenugreek-fennel tea, or it is useless without the others?

thankx again
Avena

[shakira8]

My multivitamin has 15mgs of zinc,do I have to try another one?I got this one coz it has minerals and amino-acids too,no other has so many extra stuff!

[Avena]

Oh, just one more question: what is the matter with black cohosh? I saw it as one of the ingredients of many pills...

[joyce]

I've heard black cohosh causes liver problems, but you should let someone else imput.

[Wahaika]

I did some fairly detailed research on Black Cohosh a while back (like a year or two ago) and found a lot of undesirable things about it. I did not save any of it. At that time all I wanted to know was a simple "is it good for BE" or "is it bad for BE" status. If you are really curious about it then we can look into it further, but here it is in a nutshell:

Black Cohosh is an LH inhibitor. As such, I do not believe it is useful for BE as an herb that you just take every day. The LH spike is needed for the menstral cycle. I also believe that the LH spike is needed for BE due to a chain reaction of other events that I will not go into right now.

Bottom line: If you are menopausal then Black Cohosh may be useful if you are having hot flashes.

If you are not menopausal, the only use for this is in a routine that specifically targets the LH spike for modification or removal.

I have never seen anyone grow while using this herb. In other words, if anyone was using Black Cohosh in a pill, they did not grow no matter what else they took/did.

If there are any exceptions out there then please chime in.

Just doing a quick Google search shows Black Cohosh as a cause of liver damage. One more reason not to use this herb for BE - unless it is done under some very specific circumstances. Attention to liver health is now on the list.

[Avena]

Wahaika, thank you very much

yes I found what you mean: my.webmd.com/content/article/75/89785.htm

I am pleased to find this forum because I took this pill (Dream Breast/All Natural Curves) for 3 month, than I read here I need liver cleanse so I stopped the pill and got 1 month break and took Milk Thistle - I hope it provides a good basic for me to grow than

I drop this pill certainly.

and one more I found while tracking Black Cohoch, it is about progesteron cream, I read that some women use: www.mercola.com/article/progesterone/cream.htm#

[shakira8]

Wahaika,could you pleez tell me if I must change my multi-V?I liked this one coz of the added amino-acids!