Greenbush Ramp-Up

[Wahaika]

Sarah80,

If the multi is 15mg, that is a bare bones minimum. 30 mg is probably a good average.

Here are some optimal amounts of different things:

Once per day:

Vitamin:
A 5000 IU
C 250 mg
D 400 IU
E 200 IU

Bs:
Thiamin 80 mg
Riboflavin 80 mg
Niacin 80 mg
B6 80 mg
Folic Acid 400 mcg
B12 80 mcg
Biotin 300 mcg

Calcium 500mg
Iron 18 mg
Phosphorus 30 mg
Iodine 225 mcg
Magnesium 250 mg
Zinc 15 mg
etc.

Wahaika

[plum]

Hi-
Right now I'm just starting- but I wanted to know if you had any tips on how much to take every day of fenugreek, wild yam, and saw palmetto?
I get a little overwhelmed reading everyone's routines- they can be confusing....
Thanks!!
plum

[Wahaika]

Hello Plum,

The best place to start is to post a stats page. You can look through those and devise one of your own. The newest one up there is from caroline2000. She did a great job at a stats page. Typical information that goes on a stats page is:
* Sex: Female
* Age:
* Number of Children :
* How many breastfed:
* Height:
* Weight:
* Bust:
* underbust:
* Cup Size:
* Width measurement. (outer edge to sternum)
* Other info that you think is helpful.

Once you have that posted, be sure to read the Current Routine and Theory page on page one of this thread. How much of each herb is determined by how you feel as you ramp up dosages to a predefined maximum according to your general size.

Components of a successful routine are:
* Internal herbs
* External herbs in a massage routine
* Vitamins
* Oils
* Mild Exercise for health and good blood flow.
* Patience and persistence.

When your stats page is posted, I'll make some recommendations there. Maybe other people will too. You then make a decision on what you are going to do and post it on a routine page in the routines section.

Good luck!

Wahaika

[kimgold]

Hi Wahaika

Do you know about Vitex? Do you have any suggestion of using Vitex for NBE?

Cheers,

[Wahaika]

kimgold,

It depends on whether you need it or not. I would say that it could be helpful for those in perimenopause or menopause, or other low progesterone situations, otherwise the natural progesterone levels are enough for current practices.

Wahaika

[adryx]

Wahaika:

i'm almost 20 years old; do you really think I should not ramp up more than 1500 mg of each herb?
I have a stats page if you would like more information.

Thank-you
adry

[Wahaika]

Answered in your stats thread.

[lafonda]

Hi Wahaika, I have been reading this forum for a while now and I'm really impressed with your knowledge. I was wondering if you could help me with my program. First of all I'll give you a little info. about myself. I'm 36 yrs. old, 5', and weigh around 113 lbs. I have 3 boys, nursed 2 of them, which left me completely flat. I've done nbe before with good results. I went from nothing to 34B. Before my kids I was a 34 full B, now 34 small B. I've never done anything long enough to see if I could get bigger. Now I would like to see if I could reach a C. On Oct. 6th I started taking Fenugreek, Saw Palmetto, and Wild Yam, ramping up untill I was at 3 pills a day of each. My totals are 1725mg. Fenu, 1740mg. Saw, & 1725mg. Wild Yam. I also take 1000mg. a day of evening primrose. I have had problems with endometriosis over the years, but when I'm doing nbe I notice my symptoms get a lot better. I have been feeling a little bit of aching and soreness for the past maybe 4 days. I would like to know if I should continue what I'm doing or should I ramp up? Also, would you sugges anything else. I would really appreciate your help. Thanks!

[Wahaika]

Hello lafonda,

I would be happy to help!

The endometriosis is of extreme concern. Rule #1 in BE is to start out healthy. If the herbs are helping, then that is great. But keep an eye on this because the herbs can also make endometriosis and ovarian cysts worse! I am very serious. I don't know of a more plain way to put it. Please be careful. You need to find a way to evaluate this on a daily basis and determine the effects, the risk, and what action to take for yourself. I highly recommend that you get a gynocologist involved if you have not done so already. Disclaimer: My recommendation is to discontinue BE. Continue at your own risk.

Having said that, I think that depending on what type of endometriosis you have and how severe/mild your case is that there may be herbs that are beneficial, and that BE is still a possibility, but I would perhaps put more of an emphasis on building through massage first, then turn to internals to bring the levels up. As you already have a good start, I would say that adding massage would be the smartest thing to do.

I never recommend the use of Red Clover except in cases where a woman is starting out as AA or AAA depending on other things also. However, I think in your case it may be a good extract to consider to help diminish the endometriosis. As I remember, the genistein in RC stops the formation of blood vessels in tumors. I'll get back to you on that. In the long run, it would probably be a good idea to take a few months out and take one herb at a time and observe the effect on the endometriosis to see which ones are best for that condition and which ones might tend to aggravate it. My first guess that that the combination as a whole is balancing you out, but that the Wild Yam and Saw Palmetto are probably the best of what you are taking for the endometriosis, whichever type you have. Just a guess at this point.


If you have already read this thread, then you have read the "Timing of routines!" thread in reply #2. Since you have already started, we may get some momentum for a few more weeks, but depending on where you live, it may not get anywhere for the next few months simply because of the time of year. The exception is if you live below the equator. Whatever my opinion is, always remember that I consider November through January to be months that are going to be potentially ineffective.

The best thing at this point is to start a routines page, transfer the previous message to there. I'll move this reply to there once I see it.

You are pretty much right on the money with your current dosages. I see no reason to do further ramping. If you have been feeling aches for the last 4 days (as of the date of the message) on what cycle days do those days fall?

One thing that you are missing is a massage component in your routine. Getting the herbs transdermally (through the skin) is a very direct way of getting the phytoestrogens to the target cells. My recommendation for a "booby batter" and some instructions is now in Reply #4 "Transdermal Considerations" in this thread. I just put it there.

What do you think so far? Do you have any questions?

Wahaika

[lafonda]

Wahaika, I now have a routines page. My response is there. How do I move my previous message to that page?
Thanks, Lafonda

[Wahaika]

Hello Lafonda,

Easily done. (well, kinda)

1. Go to your routine thread. Copy & Paste your first message in your routine as Reply #2 after the page that I added called "Temporary Placeholder 1." Your reply, which is your current first message in your routine thread will end up as Reply #2.
2. Go up to your Reply #157 above, in madredesiete's routine, and hit the Edit button: Select all the text, and then paste it into your first post (Reply #0) in your routine section. Then delete it from here if you wish.

3. I will copy my reply above to Reply #1 in your routine and then delete it from here if you have deleted yours. That would do it. I would then reply to your message in your routine section.

On the other hand, if you think it might be easier, we can keep everything as it is. But if you want everything in one place, the above steps would do it.

BTW, what regimen (herbal?) did you go on to get rid on your endometriosis??

Wahaika

[flatmama]

Hi Wahaika...nice seeing you back.

I have a question about the timing of routines. Do you think it's possible to get good growth during the winter if you spend more time outside than you do during the summer?

FM

[Wahaika]

Hello FlatMama!

How's the growing going?

That is an interesting question. One of the problems that comes to mind is that the amount of Vitamin C that is used up in the first 20 minutes of being in the sun depletes the supply in the skin pretty fast. Also, it is not the sunlight hitting the skin, it is the sunlight that stimulates the pineal gland. So, it's not whether you are outside or inside per se, just that you have access to direct sunlight.

I suppose if you lived in a basement during daylight hours in the summer and spent all winter working on a tan then it may work out better. (just kidding) It is always worth a try. The key is definitely sunlight. You want to make sure to take Vitamin C pretty much all the time. Ester C is the best form. Also find a good suppliment with Coral Calcium (or calcium citrate if you are more acidic), Magnesium, Vitamin D (D3 specifically) and a trace mineral called Boron. Take these and get plenty of daylight hours, not necessarily direct sunlight and it could work.

But remember that it is the length of the daylight hours that diminishes and because of that, no matter how long you spend in direct sunlight, it is not as long as in the summer unless you spend your summers completely removed from direct sunlight. Even then, the biological clock still works. Late Fall/Winter is a natural time to bulk up in preparation to survive the winter. That will be hard to counter.

You could look into 5HTP or taking oral serotonin, but I definitely do not recommend it. Messing with brain chemicals is not something that I think is a good idea even if others have successfully avoided side effects.

It's not to say that no one can grow in the Winter. But in the cases I have seen, it is either an exception to the rule or is due to previous momentum that was had earlier in the year.

Small maintenance dosages are good preparation for the spring.

Well, there's my2 cents on the issue.

Wahaika

[flatmama]

Growing still hasn't been as good as when I first started. Still working on it. Just finishing up a short break so I could work out some of the stressful things in my life first.

Well, maybe I'll try all those supplements, although sure sounds like a lot more work then just taking the herbs. Maybe I'll just try lower maintenance doses then. That sounds pretty good actually. I don't exactly want to bulk up in the winter time. I'll probably play it by ear.....see how my body does with the 'maintenace' doses and maybe increase them later.

Thanks!

FM

[missbuttons]

Wahaika

I live in Shetland Islands above scotland, and we never seem to get good weather, nor much sunlight here so I expect slower growth rate, especially in Winter. (and my office has no windows )

So to combat this problem I am planning on investing in a SAD light, (Seasonal Affective Disorder - to those who don't know what it is) which can provide me with more natural light, therefore reducing the amount of melatonin my body would produce.

And so technically I should be able to start my program over winter (i have no patience, I know!)

What do you think?

missbuttons