Thank you!

[cath]

I am in awe of the amount of information and kind, supportive advice on offer on this site. At last I now know that I am not alone in the quest for larger, fuller breasts. Thank you to everyone who has contributed!

I have been using the Greenbush Enhancement Blend (575mg of SP, WY & F - 3 capsules now, 3 times a day) for 8 weeks, and in the last fortnight have added FG and RC (the latter to counteract any bloating and fuzziness) at 3 capsules each (575mg) with the others. I also massage every night (with a blend of fennel essential oil and 2 droppers of the Enhancement Blend extract) and drink either Fennel or Bustea tea at least 3 times a day. I swim (1 mile) once a week and do approx 30 mins aerobic exercise in a gym twice a week. I weigh 9 stone and am a 34A. My husband has taken photos every week, but I see no change and do not experience any tingling, soreness etc..

I have read in one of the posts that one can 'stall' with too much (perhaps I am 'overdosing' with the FG above?). But I am reluctant to pull back given that I haven't felt any changes yet ( & the Greenbush site said to increase and supplement with other herbs until I start to feel and see a difference).

I guess I am eager to progress and 8 weeks isn't very long, so I need to be patient! But I would welcome any advice if there is something that seems radically wrong with my regime that I should change.

Look forward to contributing in the future.

cath

[Wenonae]

Nothing radically wrong, in fact, it looks pretty good.
You simply may not be on the right NBE combination.

I did a 'perfect' regimine using BO and oregano for a whole year. No progress. Winds up that would never get it for me. Using p-method, made and fet progress in the first 2 months using 2 phytos, vitamins and minerals, and never looked back.

[Wahaika]

Hello Cath,

Here is my two cents (probably not worth that much):

The stall level seems to be 5000 mg of any herb except SP.

>>"Greenbush Enhancement Blend (575mg of SP, WY & F - 3 capsules now, 3 times a day)"

575 / 3 X 3 = 575 per dosage, X 3 times per day = 1725 mg per day
FG 1725 mg per day
SP 1725 mg per day
WY 1725 mg per day

plus

"3 capsules each (575mg) FG = 1725 mg 3 times per day" = 5175 mg per day
"3 capsules each (575mg) RC = 1725 mg 3 times per day" = 5175 mg per day

equals

FG = 6900 mg
WY= 5175
SP = 6900 mg
RC = 5175 mg

Every one of these levels is way too high. I would say that you are stalled.

>>"I also massage every night (with a blend of fennel essential oil and 2 droppers of the Enhancement Blend extract)"
Good.

>>"drink either Fennel or Bustea tea at least 3 times a day. "
Good. You might consider limiting it to 2 to 3 times per day.

>>"I swim (1 mile) once a week and do approx 30 mins aerobic exercise in a gym twice a week."
Potential problem with some women. These exercises burn fat. Fat tends to accumulate on organs last and be removed from organs first. Another few variables are whether or not you have had any children, breastfed them, and your age.

Stop for a week or two. See if you feel any sensations as your body metabolizes the herbs out. Start again (on day 1) but this time, ramp up your dosages of one herb at a time starting with one capsule of one herb, one time per day. Do not exceed 5000mg of any one herb. An example is here:

Madredesiete's Routine (my wife)
beboard.proboards23.com/index.cgi?board=Routines&action=display&thread=1074738958
Her current routine is at reply #7.

Another routine that is very well done is Ruderico's routine.
Ruderico's Routine:
beboard.proboards23.com/index.cgi?board=Routines&action=display&thread=1102440254

Whatever you decide, the ramp up is very important. You can also use the ramp up to guage how much of each herb to do. You can ramp up one herb at a time to a given level such as one [575 mg] capsule 3 times per day. Be aware of any growth signs (aches/itchies) as you go. Do the same with each herb, then start over again and go to 2 capsules per day of each herb. And so on, always evaluating. When you start feeling sensations, stop ramping and use those dosages.

On the massage, be sure and use heat. With Greenbush, do not allow your total to reach 3 capsules 3 times per day. Give any herbal routine (there are many) 6 months before you evaluate in terms of trying something else. Keep at it. It takes a lot of patience and is a long process. It is two steps forward, one step back all the way.

Best wishes,

Wahaika

[Wenonae]

Wahaika said:

Hello Cath,

Here is my two cents (probably not worth that much):

The stall level seems to be 5000 mg of any herb except SP.

>>"Greenbush Enhancement Blend (575mg of SP, WY & F - 3 capsules now, 3 times a day)"

575 / 3 X 3 = 575 per dosage, X 3 times per day = 1725 mg per day
FG 1725 mg per day
SP 1725 mg per day
WY 1725 mg per day

plus

"3 capsules each (575mg) FG = 1725 mg 3 times per day" = 5175 mg per day
"3 capsules each (575mg) RC = 1725 mg 3 times per day" = 5175 mg per day

equals

FG = 6900 mg
WY= 5175
SP = 6900 mg
RC = 5175 mg

Every one of these levels is way too high. I would say that you are stalled.

>>"I also massage every night (with a blend of fennel essential oil and 2 droppers of the Enhancement Blend extract)"
Good.

>>"drink either Fennel or Bustea tea at least 3 times a day. "
Good. You might consider limiting it to 2 to 3 times per day.

>>"I swim (1 mile) once a week and do approx 30 mins aerobic exercise in a gym twice a week."
Potential problem with some women. These exercises burn fat. Fat tends to accumulate on organs last and be removed from organs first. Another few variables are whether or not you have had any children, breastfed them, and your age.

Stop for a week or two. See if you feel any sensations as your body metabolizes the herbs out. Start again (on day 1) but this time, ramp up your dosages of one herb at a time starting with one capsule of one herb, one time per day. Do not exceed 5000mg of any one herb. An example is here:

Madredesiete's Routine (my wife)
beboard.proboards23.com/index.cgi?board=Routines&action=display&thread=1074738958
Her current routine is at reply #7.

Another routine that is very well done is Ruderico's routine.
Ruderico's Routine:
beboard.proboards23.com/index.cgi?board=Routines&action=display&thread=1102440254

Whatever you decide, the ramp up is very important. You can also use the ramp up to guage how much of each herb to do. You can ramp up one herb at a time to a given level such as one [575 mg] capsule 3 times per day. Be aware of any growth signs (aches/itchies) as you go. Do the same with each herb, then start over again and go to 2 capsules per day of each herb. And so on, always evaluating. When you start feeling sensations, stop ramping and use those dosages.

On the massage, be sure and use heat. With Greenbush, do not allow your total to reach 3 capsules 3 times per day. Give any herbal routine (there are many) 6 months before you evaluate in terms of trying something else. Keep at it. It takes a lot of patience and is a long process. It is two steps forward, one step back all the way.

Best wishes,

Wahaika

Errr, Cath, W' may be onto something if you're taking 9 capsules a day. I read yuor post to be that you were taking 3 capsules total, 3 times a day.

Please clarify! If you were on 5g's of fenugreek, and not about sick to your stomach..that's a big WOW!

Wen'

[cath]

Wenowae & Wahaika

Wow! Thank you for taking the time today to reply. I am obviously trying too hard! Anticipating this I actually cut back the additional F & RC today (before I read your replies) to 1 capsule with the 3 EBs. Strangely, I have felt some 'pangs' and itchiness from doing this - not sure what this means?

I can't say that I fully understand the science behind all this - which you have clearly thoroughly researched - & feel a little anxious at how complicated it looks to set up a regime in tune with my body. I think I will take some time out over this next Xmas week to 'digest' and perhaps give my body a break.

To fill in the gaps to your queries - I have 2 children (aged 13 and 15) and breast-fed them both... and I am 40!

What is the reason behind not allowing oneself to get to 3 x 3 Greenbush capsules? - for the EB the total is still only 1725mg per day of each herb. I am also curious as to the idea of keeping the body guessing! (cycles) - it seems oddly illicit to take a break when I have kept up my pill-taking so religiously for the last 8 weeks!!

No doubt I will be back with an update and questions on reactions this week.

Many thanks again,

kind regards

cath

[gigi]

Cath,
You remind me of myself when I first began NBE, also with Greenbush products. The dosages were too much and I was doing this for about 18 months. When I decided to take a break I noticed tingling etc. Eventually through trial and error and now dowsing I take MUCH less. Check out Wahaika's chart on ramping up slowly-it makes a lot of sense. However, consider also that you may not necessarily require red clover or some of the other herbs you are currently taking. In my case I don't use wild yam or red clover. I do use fennel, fenugreek, saw palmetto, yellow dock, and ginger root. I also massage without heat and use a subliminal CD. I'm over 50 and am finally getting a bit of growth so take heart it is possible. Good Luck.

[gigi]

Oops, forgot something-
When you take a break, make it coincide with your period.