Hello! :)

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Okay, so my intro to this board was posting that weird (and depressing) article on the health board in a state of major confusion. Well, I've come to this board to give herbs another shot (I tried La Femme for 6 months and it didn't do anything for me). I'm hoping that by creating my own routine that something will work for me *fingers crossed*. I just turned 20 (haven't breastfed), nurturer bodytype, *possibly* has too much estrogen (although I feel that I might not have enough)
and am planning to ramp up to the following daily dosage:
Fennugreek: 3000mg
Wild Yam: 3000mg
Flax Seed: 3000mg
EPO: 1000mg
2 cups of Fennel Tea
If anyone has any suggestions then please feel free to share them (please ;D). For example, do I need SP? I'm really not sure what it's benefits are and do I need more EPO?
I will record my progress and post anything on the board if anything works for me.

[HoneeBee]

hi stormy, welcome to the board .
i am some what new to the board also. i was wondering are you going to add massaging to your routine. i have read that its suppose to help out with BE.

[mominator]

[glow=teal,2,300]Welcome to the Board ;D[/glow]

Beware that 3g is HIGH, worked great for Pammy, but other's have responded at lower dosages. So...if you start getting sensations, don't be cut & dry on your set routine, stick where you are getting sensations. You may want to add red clover, equal dosage to fenugreek. And as HoneeBee said MASSAGE.

Bust of luck!

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Hey Ladies! To answer your question, I am doing dry massaging but I plan on doing a mixture of Virgin Olive Oil and EPO eventually (could that be effective)? Hmmmm...Red Clover might do the trick. I don't want to mess my hormones up so I'm sticking to the two herbs w/the FX and the one EPO for now. I also plan on sticking to 1500mg of FG and 1500mg WP for about 2 weeks to see what happens (just to ensure I'm not taking too much). ;D

[pammy]

That was my fave massaging stuff, olive oil and EPO. Think about adding some heat after massaging.

Fair warning: have an old tank top you don't wanna keep to sleep in, the stuff eventually stains. The positive of it is that the mixture keeps you skin very soft, it was always soaked in by morning on me, and it had really good consistency for massaging. I also had some fennel extract that I would put in there. You could also try different frangrances. Seems like I tried some but that good ole olive oil smell came through. You get used to it.

IMO this was the best massage stuff I found and had great results with. Would massage for bout 15 minutes then would lay in bed with some heat on for about an hour every night. It was my ritual, and believe me, my hubby sure got a lotta laughs outta the things I did. But, I've been off the second round of it more than a year now and still have the DD's. Something worked.

Good luck girlie!!
pammy

[fawnmarie]

It looks good to me, but if you need to "tweak" after a month, you may want to replace the flax seed with saw palmetto, or drop the wild yam to 2K and add 1K of red clover.

It sort of depends on your hormonal profile.

Some of the commercial blends don't seem to work all that well. I've used two of them, and they were "okay". Jeez - so long ago, I forgot the name of the first one I tried, but it only made me gain fat (it was a grain-based one, like Erdic).

Then I tried MegaBust, which I really, really liked.

I'm not sure if anyone knows this, but the grain-based BE pills, made from grains and hops, etc., are dependant on a fungus that grows on these grains.

Fusarium, I think it is. This is a fungus that attacks grain crops, and this is what causes the breast enlargement.

I had it all over my tomatos this summer, and didn't get much of a crop.

Anyway - the thing that concerns me is 1) possible allergic reactions 2) how are they SURE the plants are infected?

The grains themselves are slightly phytoestrogenic (particularly hops). But it's the fungus among us doing the job.

And I haven't checked, but I'm not sure it's considered a "permanent" side effect.

Edited to add this link:

Great article on NBE
www.acog.org/from_home/publications/green_journal/wrapper.cfm?document=2003/ong14477fla.htm

Shame they didn't test BO, though.

Fawn
www.botanicalbeautylab.com

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Hey everyone! I just wanted to thank you again for your help. I was trying to find this answer around the site but it was hard for me to catch really (either that or I just forgot that I read the responses somewhere) but, on average, how long does it normally take to feel the growth effect while using herbs (espeically if you're ramping up one tablet a day)?

It's Week 2: I'm up to 1(500mg)Fennugreek and 1(500)WY 3 times a day but feel nothing (still doing the dry messaging; I'm waiting for my schedule to stabalize a bit before I start my oils). I'm not expecting to feel anything at this point in the game (still going to add Flax soon and may add SP if nothing works after Week 4...possibly even just up the Fennugreek and WY) but I was just wondering how long it took for people to feel anything.

[Glasskulan]

I think that as we're all different we probably need different herbs and different amounts of each herb. I can only speak for myself but for me to get any sensations at all it took months of trial and error.

Then I came in contact with the dowsing ladies who dowsed different routines for me that were all better than the one I came up with myself (I think, since that was when I at least started to get sensations). I started dowsing myself... So far I haven't had any visible growth and I've been on NBE for about six months or so, perhaps longer . On the other hand as I said I never felt anything at all until I started dowsing and that was not that long ago. Before that I didn't take individual herbs, but commercial blends that probably didn't do anything to me.

I've learnt that patience is one important thing when it comes to NBE. I try real hard to be patient, but I know that sometimes it's not that easy though... Good luck and remember patience

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Hello again, everyone! I figured starting a new thread for this wouldn't be necessary since it's kind of a continuation of my intro to this site. Well, it's been about a month and I haven't experienced much change. I did have tingling and pains at one point but they left as soon as "Aunt Flow" visted. Well, I went on with my usual routine and didin't get the pains back so what I've done is cut the estrogen out of my routine for 5 days. Therefore, I'm just taking 2SP pills+1EPO+1FX three times daily*. I think I was on the ball with regards to this because as soon as I removed the phyto-estrogen (the Fennugreek and Fennel tea), I began feeling some pain/tingling again (but not much).
*For the last dose of the day, I remove the FX.

Now here's the odd thing: I was taking Fennugreek and SP (equal rations) before when I was experiencing pains yet two internet tests have shown that I'm estrogen-dominent and actually have excess estrogren. Any theories as to why it was working?

I'm pretty certain everything's kinda 'stalled' now due to an excess of estrogen (hence why I'm doing the 5 day 'detox', if you will) but I intend on replacing the Fennugreek with RC once the 5 days are up. Is this a good idea?
I'm thinking the progesterone blockage may actually allow for growth but then again, I could also just try taking 1RC and 1Fennu 3times a day w/the SP-EPO-FX routine I'm on now (and, of course, go back to my 2 cups of Fennel daily).

Any ideas/comments? As always, they're greatly appeciated! ;D

[Wenonae]

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Hello again, everyone! I figured starting a new thread for this wouldn't be necessary since it's kind of a continuation of my intro to this site. Well, it's been about a month and I haven't experienced much change. I did have tingling and pains at one point but they left as soon as "Aunt Flow" visted. Well, I went on with my usual routine and didin't get the pains back so what I've done is cut the estrogen out of my routine for 5 days. Therefore, I'm just taking 2SP pills+1EPO+1FX three times daily*. I think I was on the ball with regards to this because as soon as I removed the phyto-estrogen (the Fennugreek and Fennel tea), I began feeling some pain/tingling again (but not much).
*For the last dose of the day, I remove the FX.

Now here's the odd thing: I was taking Fennugreek and SP (equal rations) before when I was experiencing pains yet two internet tests have shown that I'm estrogen-dominent and actually have excess estrogren. Any theories as to why it was working?

I'm pretty certain everything's kinda 'stalled' now due to an excess of estrogen (hence why I'm doing the 5 day 'detox', if you will) but I intend on replacing the Fennugreek with RC once the 5 days are up. Is this a good idea?
I'm thinking the progesterone blockage may actually allow for growth but then again, I could also just try taking 1RC and 1Fennu 3times a day w/the SP-EPO-FX routine I'm on now (and, of course, go back to my 2 cups of Fennel daily).

Any ideas/comments? As always, they're greatly appeciated! ;D

Hey there.

Hate to tell ya, but you could prolly experiment until the cows and the sheep come home, and not quite get it rite. Your excess estrogen may just be in relation to your progesterone levels, but actually may not indicate that you have high levels.

You won't always have sensations and growth feelings if something is going on, were I u and just trying something, I'd stick with the the phyto's in the regimen u have now (RC, fenu, etc.).

Stalling is at least 3 mos of no action, not 1 mos Long ways to go, missy. General rule of thumb, 3 months on one regimen..then tweak (especially if you had sensations before).

Good luck.

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Hehehe...thanks for the info, Wenonae. Quick question though: have people had better luck with RC or Fennugreek? Or do they just seem to both work well?