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Post by dena29 on May 24, 2004 14:03:56 GMT -5
Well, I'm not really that new, been a member for a little while but have never posted. Fawn tells me that if I really want help I need to post so here goes. I am 29 years old, and have one son which I breastfed for about 3 months. I did not really lose my breast tissue after breastfeeding, because I never had any. Even as a teenager my breast were small and empty and saggy. I am 5'1" and weigh right around 100 lbs. I never gain weight and have hardly any body fat. I am also a visionary type. I have been trying BE for about 8 months or so now with very little luck. I first tried Complete La Femme that I discovered at my local health food store and I stayed on them for five months with nothing happening at all but constant PMS. I then switched to HBA and started feeling great. I felt better on HBA than I had in ages, but when the month ran out I was broke and got a deal for 2 bottles of breast success on ebay for less than one so I started that. I immediately got fullness during the first week which I knew was fluid retention but was still nice while it lasted, ha. After a while I ran out of those, I realized that Quick Bust was identical to Breast Success and really cheap so I got a bottle of those. I eventually ramped up to 9 caps a day and ended up with horrible stomach problems, couldn't hold anything down etc. I lowered my dosage and the stomach problems ended but then I learned that all the herbs were causing cellulite. My backside has always been my favorite part of my body since I've always hated my small saggy breasts and so I have been very upset and now embarrassed of that side of me as well. So I then switched to BO which I am still on. I take the VB Bo that I order from Fawn and bug her for advice. I have been on Bo for a little over a month now and have just added L'arginine and l'orthinine that I take with bo in the morning and bedtime. I also take sp, epo, multivitamin-mineral supplement, and royal jelly. I have been using the pendulum method for about two weeks now, which is very interesting. I recently started having some stomach problems which felt like pms cramps and was also having extremely painful intercourse. I had been on a live bacteria stomach pill at the time and consulting the pendulum, I got off that and the epo and am no longer in pain during intimacy and stomach is a little better but still can't eat at times. I recently read that the l'arginine actually blocks HGH and was wondering if I need to just take the l'ornithine? Anyway this is long but I hope I covered everything. Oh also I gained .5" with breast success which I have never lost since starting bo, I just haven't gained any more since. I have learned that .5" is only enough to show up on the measuring tape, I don't look any fuller but they do feel a little better. Just want to be able to wear a "b" cup, its hard find 'A" cups anymore. I have been hoping and hoping to be at least noticeably fuller by July when I go on vacation. So that's it. Anyone that can help me I would GREATLY appreciate!!
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Post by Wenonae on May 24, 2004 16:56:48 GMT -5
WOW!
Welome aboard! ;D
So, what indications did the pendulum method give for you. Did you got through the total NBE herbs vs. BO or did u just check on a few items?
If you're goal is July, well, we need to get going, but it'll prolly take at least 6-9months. So, there's always Xmas to look forward to. I started this Feb, 2003 with intentions for the summer. Thanks for the pendulum method, Summer's gonna be good!
The pendulum method can really let you know every single item that you're taking, and how much to take, including whether L-orth, SP, EPO, and massages are needed.
Once again..welcome ;D
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Post by mominator on May 24, 2004 18:41:29 GMT -5
How is the cellulite with BO? Just curious. It sounds like you were prolly on too high a dose of herbs for your body.  Excess estrogen does cause cellulite. But since you are on BO, doesn't really matter. Also the survey Fawn did about a year ago, reflected that Visionary's are the hardest growers & do respond better to BO. So you are on the right track! As Wen said ...massage, massage, massage. Get that prolactin going. Since you breastfed a cycle of progesterone cream every 3 cycles might not be a bad idea, get those glands in shape. Have you listed your routine in Routines? Might be a good idea, some of our BO experts might have some ideas for you.  |
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Post by dena29 on May 24, 2004 18:53:01 GMT -5
Hi wenonae!
Thanks for such a fast reply. I more than welcome any help I can get! First of all, my pendulum indicated that I should take the Bo instead of herbs. Even after asking in different ways and different days etc., it said the same. It also says that the l' stuff would help which is why I purchased it. It says I need Sp, and even the royal jelly that I take. I don't know if this is for be or just health but it always indicates I need it. It also usually indicates to take epo but not always and sometimes more than other days. However I have quit taking this for the meantime because I read somewhere it can cause stomach cramps and am trying to eliminate one thing at a time to find out what is causing my stomach problems. Sometimes though, I have to question my pendulum. Even though it is very responsive usually always gives me an answer, I have to question the dosages it recommends for me. Sometimes it indicates I need over 5000mgs of sp, up to 3 to 4000 mgs epo and even over 2000 mgs of royal jelly which I'm not familiar with since nobody on here takes it for be. I'm always to scared to take these large dosages because I'm afraid it will upset my stomach. I have even asked my pendulum if taking that dosage could cause stomach upset and it says yes. But maybe that is one of those no-no questions. Anyway, any suggestions for my routine or changes would be great, and thanks again for responding so fast!
Dena
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Post by dena29 on May 24, 2004 19:06:29 GMT -5
Hey Mominator!
As soon as I posted my earlier response, I saw yours so here goes. I'm trying a product right now called Hydroderm for the cellulite, but it cost to much so I'm going to have to try something else. I haven't been using it long enough to know if its working. I can't tell if the cellulite is still worsening since I switched to bo. I'm really glad you mentioned using progesterone cream because I've been wondering about whether I should use it or not. I really don't understand completely how it works. Where is a good place to order it as I have not seen any in stores around here? I haven't posted a routine yet because it kinda varies from day to day depending on what my pendulum tells me, but when I get sorta set on something I'll post. I'm trying out the l'arg and l'orth and also omitting certain ones until I can figure out what is affecting my stomach. So thats all for now. Thanks for the response Momi!
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Post by Wenonae on May 24, 2004 19:28:14 GMT -5
Hi wenonae! Thanks for such a fast reply. I more than welcome any help I can get! First of all, my pendulum indicated that I should take the Bo instead of herbs. Even after asking in different ways and different days etc., it said the same. It also says that the l' stuff would help which is why I purchased it. It says I need Sp, and even the royal jelly that I take. I don't know if this is for be or just health but it always indicates I need it. It also usually indicates to take epo but not always and sometimes more than other days. However I have quit taking this for the meantime because I read somewhere it can cause stomach cramps and am trying to eliminate one thing at a time to find out what is causing my stomach problems. Sometimes though, I have to question my pendulum. Even though it is very responsive usually always gives me an answer, I have to question the dosages it recommends for me. Sometimes it indicates I need over 5000mgs of sp, up to 3 to 4000 mgs epo and even over 2000 mgs of royal jelly which I'm not familiar with since nobody on here takes it for be. I'm always to scared to take these large dosages because I'm afraid it will upset my stomach. I have even asked my pendulum if taking that dosage could cause stomach upset and it says yes. But maybe that is one of those no-no questions. Anyway, any suggestions for my routine or changes would be great, and thanks again for responding so fast! Dena Take a look at my routine. I was on up to 10g's of items on some days (20 pills RC= 10g's). Each pill was approximately 500mg, so u can see how much stuff I was on at one time  . Did you have a ramp period at all? If you're not sure about asking something, ask p if it's ok to ask that question. Several of us dowsing have been able to successfully 'check' each others indications. You're welcome to jump online to chat about it (Yahoo IM). Also, since it indicates you may have tummy problems, ask if you should take it with food, will that help, and if the type of food matters. If it indicates food won't help, ask the severity of the stomach probs, and whether there's something you can do to help it such as carbonated water, lemon in water, Mylanta, or something. Also ask the duration of the tummy probs. May only last for a few minutes... Let me know how it goes! |
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Post by Pola on May 24, 2004 21:41:25 GMT -5
Helo Dena, I think I should reply to your post because I find many similarities between us, such as same weight and height, visionary type result of internet body test. But from reading posts here I concluded that I am communicator. Also brestfed my children. I also tried La Femme for 3 mos ( had success of 1"), but then started adding some SP, Fenugreek and got period much ealier, serious blood clots. Also noticed change in my appearance, I mean face got really tired and old - I am just 31. Being on La Femme also caused more tiredness. Like you I tried Pendulum, and it said definitely NO to La Femme and herbs in general. So I stopped everything for almost a month. P gave OK to BO, so I bought some but would not let me take any until my day 2. My pills are 150mg, and I was thinking of starting just with that x3 per day but P said to take around 800mg daily not more, so I guess for small bodies like we have, a smaller dosage may be more suitable. How much BO do you take right now? Anyways, my period just ended today, I have been on this small dosage of BO for 6 days only, but already feel something is going on. I got this nevergoing away sensation that I have breasts, it is not pain nor tingles, difficult to explain. Started to massage with EPO only because not sure what to add, very tempted to add RC extract for massage after reading some recent posts. By the way thanks for all the thinking experts here are doing for us  . As for dowsing, I was very skeptical but curious at the begining. Someone once showed me how your desires for answers can affect the P movement. So I take it with caution, and probably would not accept suggestions for unusually large dosages. But that is me, I am a bit too fast to panic  Anyhow, that is it for now, post your BO dosages if you don't mind, I am curious. Best wishes, Pola |
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Post by Wenonae on May 24, 2004 22:23:51 GMT -5
Hiya Pola, Welcome to dowsing crew . BTW, those sensations you are describing, are the same as those described by Kelly, another dowser, but on herbs, who's growing spurt recently had those kind of sensations. For both You AND Dena, Here's a recommendation if you are not sure about the indications. Actually put the recommended amount in the palm of your left hand while getting your indications. - Tip #1: Count caplets/tablets instead mg, it's much faster.
- Tip #2: If you dowse, for example, 10 tablets for the day. Actually put the 10 tablets IN the palm of ur hand, and ask, is this the correct amount? This way, it's very tangible answer. If you dont have the time to dowse each dose, try to figure out if u should, for example, take the largest dose at night vs. the afternoon, so u maximize working with ur body's metabolism and processing.
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Post by Pola on May 24, 2004 23:33:11 GMT -5
hey, wenonae I am actually asking P three times a day. i.e: should I take 3 caps, if no I go, should I take 2 caps. for all these days the max dose was 2 caps, or 1 cap for a total of 5 daily which is 750mg. I sure will keep you all Abreast Pola |
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Post by Wenonae on May 25, 2004 0:01:40 GMT -5
hey, wenonae I am actually asking P three times a day. i.e: should I take 3 caps, if no I go, should I take 2 caps. for all these days the max dose was 2 caps, or 1 cap for a total of 5 daily which is 750mg. I sure will keep you all Abreast Pola You're in a good habit then. Keep it up!..and if ur ever not sure, don't forget the 'hold in ur hand' test. |
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Post by mominator on May 25, 2004 5:48:11 GMT -5
Hey Mominator! As soon as I posted my earlier response, I saw yours so here goes. I'm trying a product right now called Hydroderm for the cellulite, but it cost to much so I'm going to have to try something else. I haven't been using it long enough to know if its working. I can't tell if the cellulite is still worsening since I switched to bo. I'm really glad you mentioned using progesterone cream because I've been wondering about whether I should use it or not. I really don't understand completely how it works. Where is a good place to order it as I have not seen any in stores around here? I haven't posted a routine yet because it kinda varies from day to day depending on what my pendulum tells me, but when I get sorta set on something I'll post. I'm trying out the l'arg and l'orth and also omitting certain ones until I can figure out what is affecting my stomach. So thats all for now. Thanks for the response Momi! Hi Dena, KAL makes a good progesterone cream. I also bought some at Walmart;) The ingredients do NOT show progesterone USP, but I called their manufacturer and it definately has progesterone USP. That is the important ingredient;) I've also seen it at Osco in a "measure" pump. ;D Google up progesterone cream, just MAKE sure it has progesterone USP;. Apply 1/4-1/2 teaspoon 2x daily rotate, neck, wrists, thighs, ankles. That should do it perk dem boobies right up! |
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Post by dena29 on May 25, 2004 11:43:08 GMT -5
Wow! You guys are the best! I never thought I would have so many responses. I should have posted a long time ago.
Ok anyway, for Pola's question. My p has never had me take anything less than 1800 mg. And during my period last month it indicated to take 2400 mgs for 3 days, then back to 1800 ever since, until this morning it again said to take 2400 mgs. Then I went to take my bcp and realized that I only have one regular pill left, which means I'll be starting in about three days. I thought that was cool. I guess it really does make a difference from the follicular and luteal stages. And like you I have been ignoring it if it tells me to take really high doses, because with my size medicines affect me differently and I figured this would too.
But wenonae posted for me to look at her routine which has really high doses so last night I decided to trust the p and take what it indicates. So, last night I took 2875 mgs of sp( after taking 1150 during the day), and 1800 mgs of bo, and 1000 mgs of royal jelly. I had no side effects whatsoever and woke up feeling unusually good. This morning the p indicated to take 2400 mgs of bo, between 4 and 5000 mgs of sp( I'm going to take 4600), and 500 mgs l'ornithine. I did not need to take the l'arginine, royal jelly, and it hasn't been having me take epo for a while. I think the epo was part of my stomach problem maybe. And something funny I want to add, after consulting the p, I thanked it, and then I apologized about not having faith in it, and it started swinging yes really fast, like it was saying your welcome. Ok, yes I'm crazy, but it was neat! So thank you wenonae for convincing me not to worry about taking too much, and for the progesterone tip. I will definately get some.
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Post by Wenonae on May 25, 2004 12:33:47 GMT -5
Hiya Dena, one last thing. Progesterone has it's place for use, but given your age, and the fact that you have not had like 5 kids, just check the indications of ur p for use. You could set back the progress you've made this month with one little dab. Generally, we're trying to block progesterone and raise prolactin levels in our breasts, which will in turn store fats. Progesterone provides the opposite action, but that promotes growth of glands which fats are stored around. If you really do need progesterone, then the p will tell you. One dowser used it at her own discretion, and threw her cycle off. It wound up that she SHOULD use it, but only on days 12-26, like Fawn's advocated here and again and research supports. She'd used it from Day 5. Since your AF is so near, I'd doubt u'd get indications for use immediately. Check to see if ur p indicates use of progesterone in general or potentially in the future before running out to buy it. Not everyone needs it, no matter how 'healthy' it is. So!..as you c, the indications sometimes 'seem' higher, but there's a method to the madness we don't quite understand. And just when you think 15 pills will put u over, u wake up feeling great and wondering..y u ever doubted...he, he. Thanks for sharing and the update. Stay in touch! Happy Growin'!!! |
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Post by dena29 on May 27, 2004 13:25:06 GMT -5
OK, my p indicates that I do need to use progesterone cream, but when I asked if I needed to wait until AF, it said no. Does it matter when its used as long as it is used according to the box instructions or my p? I also went through the list of herbs etc. and my p indicated there were several other things I needed to add. It also says I need to do the reiki massage: 300 rotations, 3x per day, dry and with wild yam and ylang ylang oil. Should I combine the wild yam and ylang ylang together to do the massage? Help! |
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Post by Wenonae on May 31, 2004 17:11:16 GMT -5
OK, my p indicates that I do need to use progesterone cream, but when I asked if I needed to wait until AF, it said no. Does it matter when its used as long as it is used according to the box instructions or my p? I also went through the list of herbs etc. and my p indicated there were several other things I needed to add. It also says I need to do the reiki massage: 300 rotations, 3x per day, dry and with wild yam and ylang ylang oil. Should I combine the wild yam and ylang ylang together to do the massage? Help! Been out a few days for the holiday here. It's ok to mix away for the massage batter. It's all going in the same place. Also, make sure u dowse when and how much progesterone cream to use. Finally, when getting the suggestoins for herbs, make sure to ask if they are ASBOLUTELY necessary. My original NBE list was like 13 items long. After I asked what was absolutley necessary, it was down to 2 items. Each day, ask if there are any items missing absolutely necessary to your regime. Keep that 'qualified' list handy. Also, refer to the one I have for 'figuring out your regime'. If u still can't figure out the item, there's creative ways to figure it out..just post about it. |
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