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Post by Samantha on Nov 21, 2003 7:09:27 GMT -5
[glow=red,2,300]hello... briefly about me, i am 32, have 2 children aged 14 and 8 (whom i both breastfed for a year). my problem wasn't really the breastfeeding of my children, i never had a large chest to start off with, so gravity hasn't been too unkind!! they just look empty or flat at the top where they should be curvy... i can hardly stand my own reflection when i am topless (yack!!) and there's only so much a wonderbra can do  anyway, i have a progesterone only implant in my arm (the combined pill was giving me a pain in my leg) and would like to know (please) what to take, how much, when to take it, and where i can get it from.... oh, and how long does it take to have the desired effect?? thanx in advance samantha[/glow] |
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Post by mominator on Nov 21, 2003 10:15:56 GMT -5
[shadow=blue,left,300]Welcome to the Board Samantha ;D[/shadow] I hear ya', I breastfed 3 for about 6 mos each. I didn't get the saggies until I lost a few pounds 2 years ago. The tops of my boobs FELL OFF!  Not sure where they went, I couldn't fit into swimming suit tops!  Like you I just couldn't stand to look at my self!  I am assuming your progesterone implant is for BC purposes. So...you want to make sure you have at least 1 progesterone blocker, whether you choose to do that topically or internally. Topical should not effect your progesterone level as much as internal. Red Clover is an excellent source for progesterone blocker, it's being studied as a anti-breast cancer agent, and is also a phyto-estrogen. So you get 3 for 1;D You may want to investigate a 30 day supply of commercials, there's a category to leads you to a list, or shop on your own. Just be sure no matter which you choose, you take your supplements on an empty tummy!  Most commercial blends tell you to take on a full tummy. Well...it makes them more money. The nice thing with commercial's are their herbs are generally lower than individual's, so it's a good way to tell how your body will react to the herbs. If you grow on them GREAT...if not, at least you know your body will accept the herbs or not. And you can always go to individuals in 30 days.  Welcome to the Board...lots of information, have a look around, and ASK AWAY! Happy Growin' |
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Post by SomeGirl on Nov 21, 2003 14:20:11 GMT -5
Mominator, Just wondering. I read about 35% is of progesterone is absorbed topically and only 10% internally because the liver blocks the absorbtion. Maybe you are talking about synthetic progesterone for Samantha in her post? I know that synthetic and natural are metabolized differently. I use natural progesterone topically though I could take it internally but think I get more topically.
Samantha, I find my progesterone cream firms the boobs up almost immediately. It's temporary but a nice lift. Best of luck to you.
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Post by Wenonae on Nov 21, 2003 17:38:01 GMT -5
Hi Samantha!...Welcome 'A-broad'! Well, personally, were I you, I would structure a program that has PR-blockers in them, since you are on a progestin-based BC. This was my case, and I had a hard time keeping any size after swelling some during lutetal cycle...but I managed to fix that with herbs described as PR-blockers, like Momi's alluded to. If herbal is your route, I'd consider doing the following: Red Clover blossums (1.5 to 2g's) fenugreek (1g) Oregano (400-600mg) Saw Palmetto Berries( 2-3 g's) Don't forget to review Fawn's site [ftp]www.botanicalbeautylab.com[/ftp] for a nice overview and great deals on herbs. Boobie batter..see my suggestion under Routines. Extracts u can make or buy..I'm still on my first bottles when I first tried this..and probably have another 6 months worth. Buy enough to supply you at those doses for at least 3 months. It takes time to tweak routines for the individual person assuming what u try first doesn't work...and it's AFTER you've tweaked successully, that you can expect it to take about 3 months average for a cup size change. One of the best tools we have for determining the type of regime is Dr. Lee's Hormone test. [ftp]http://www.johnleemd.net/forms/hb_test.html[/ftp]. See where your hormone levels are..and we can better determine the route to go in oder to reach 'ideal' boobie state of lower progesterone levels (at least in boobies where u wanna store fat) and higher estrogen levels..which allows fat to be stored. Hope that helps! |
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Post by Wenonae on Nov 21, 2003 17:39:29 GMT -5
Mominator, Just wondering. I read about 35% is of progesterone is absorbed topically and only 10% internally because the liver blocks the absorbtion. Maybe you are talking about synthetic progesterone for Samantha in her post? I know that synthetic and natural are metabolized differently. I use natural progesterone topically though I could take it internally but think I get more topically. Samantha, I find my progesterone cream firms the boobs up almost immediately. It's temporary but a nice lift. Best of luck to you. SomeGirl...I'm sure Momi' meant synthetic progesterone= progestin above. And yeah, most recommend topical application of natural progesterone. |
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Post by mominator on Nov 21, 2003 18:05:52 GMT -5
Mominator, Just wondering. I read about 35% is of progesterone is absorbed topically and only 10% internally because the liver blocks the absorbtion. Maybe you are talking about synthetic progesterone for Samantha in her post? I know that synthetic and natural are metabolized differently. I use natural progesterone topically though I could take it internally but think I get more topically. Samantha, I find my progesterone cream firms the boobs up almost immediately. It's temporary but a nice lift. Best of luck to you. Nope Samantha, what I was talking about is a "progesterone BLOCKER", not topical progesterone cream. Did that help clear up any misconceptions? Yep, progesterone & Pregnenolone cream are accepted by the body MUCH quicker and higher assorption rate over internal. The only quicker and more effective is an IV...hmmm....wondering how we would get around with that! While on break, I used progesterone cream, and really helped my glands regain their strength, I was pretty involuted. MUCH FIRMER NOW! Fawn provided a study, that many on the board participated in well...not many, about 20. The results are posted on the site, do a "search" and read the results. Might help you understand why this board recommends a progesterone blocker. I do understand your "personal" issue with progesterone & high estrogen though.  |
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Post by Samantha on Nov 23, 2003 19:25:30 GMT -5
[glow=red,2,300]thanks ever so much... ;D i've written a list with the things on that i'd like to try but the link to the site which was posted was down and although i wasn't too enlightened by the hormone test thingy because i didn't understand it, i suffer with a combination of symptoms from categories 1 & 3, but what that means with regard to my BC (implanon) i don't quite know, all i know is i really can't be trusted to take a pill at the same time every single day  (which is a must with the progesterone only pill), don't want my boyfriend to have a vasectomy, but can't take the combined pill due to the pain in my leg (i smoke a pack a day) what i did notice however was that when i recently took some laxatives (two types: senna and ones containing bisocodyl), it gave me bad breakthrough bleeding... after reading on the packet of the senna that it causes 'artificially high estrogen levels' i stopped taking them. i realise i'm waffling but i suppose my point is that i just don't want to get pregnant (my boyfriend doesn't want kids of his own) and i would be worried that something might interfere with my birth control... if i can't get onto the website that was recommended then i'll just have to try my local herbal medicine shop, but they're rubbish because i live in quite a remote area. i'll just have to search the net whatever the outcome, i'm sure it's got to be cheaper and healthier than surgery ;D thanks again [/glow] |
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Post by mominator on Nov 23, 2003 20:32:50 GMT -5
Hi Samantha, Many of our members are on BCP, and have not experienced a problem with pregnancy even though they are using progesterone blockers. I am NOT sure if the blockers actually effect progestin, which is a synthetic, not a true hormone. What we have discovered via Wen, is when she started oregano a pr blocker, she started growing:D But to be absolutely SAFE a topical progesterone blocker like Red Clover, both a phyto-estrogen & pr blocker, would be beneficial and wreak havoc with your BCP;) Hope that helps clear it up a bit. |
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Post by mominator on Nov 23, 2003 22:57:27 GMT -5
Hi Samantha, Since you are a smoker, you should consider using Vitamin C, 3g daily. Just a hint! It will not effect BE. |
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