very tender & sore nipples???

[seagull]

jacob said:

Maybe he's a gynecologist *shrug*

no he is uneducation men, that has nothing better do with time then post here, i he probably is growing breast too, he will not
admit it

Seagull

[seagull]

rkai93 said:

Confused....I can't speak for others but I can tell you that Wahika's post, while blunt was compassionate as well. I don't think he was saying that you offended us ladies (though, again, I can only speak for myself), but that your questions would confuse the process:
Men and woman are different hormonally and these routines are generally based on the menstrual cycle - which would absolutely not work for men. So, questions, routines, etc would get muddled when mixed up nad become very difficult to follow.

hormomes are s gender specific, but the are also specific to each woman on here...what works for one, does not for work another...so to add another gender into the mix....you see how it could get very confusing.

Whatever support and friendship you got here - continue - private messenger the ladies who help...you could potentially strike up an email relationship outside the board.

In the meantime - do try to find a forum or support group that is filled with others who have the same feelings as you...this is the blessing of the internet. If you leave in a large urban metropolis, i am sure there are groups out there.

Best of luck!

some people have types hormones, so you not entirely right

[seagull]

jacob said:

sarasa said:

By the way, unopposed estrogen in any gender will cause swelling of breasts, in males it's just called gynecomastia... many diseases (including alcoholism), congenital enzyme deficiencies and medications can cause gynecomastia in men, and it is all due to an unopposed or increase in estrogen production. So what I am saying is that men can probably learn a lot from this site, and what works increases estrogen for men and cause BE will also increase estrogens in women and cause BE. It is not mutually exclusive. The doses just may be different, but the principle is the same.

Sarasa, that's precisely what I've been looking at. Sure, as you said, doses will likely differ and methods will too, but ultimately what increases estrogen production in women would probably increase it in men as well. That's all I'm after; just finding a way to increase that production.

Also, going back to Wahaika's post where he mentioned that many of the transvestite people "just talk about growing their own breasts," I assume he means doing only that as opposed to encouraging the women here. I considered making such encouraging comments as well, but what stood in my way is, if I was a woman, would I WANT a man encouraging me on breast enhancement? "Hey, looks like you've really made progress, keep it up!" I doubt it. As a female I would probably expect the men to kind of keep to themselves, so that may be why men here are behaving in that way. Just a thought.

Rkai93, I apologize for your offense. Sarasa, thank you for your understanding. Per Rkai's suggestion, I may PM you in the future to pick your brain a bit.

it sounds you confussed about your sex.

[seagull]

wahaika said:

Jacob,

I'll see if I can still find the sites. They are on Yahoo.

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Sarasa,

I don't speak for anyone but myself. This discussion (allowing men on this board) has already taken place on this board and others.

In your acceptance of male breast growers on the board, you are an exception to the rule. I'm sure that there are others who are with you and want to feel tolerant. However, this is not about being offended or exercising tolerance. It is about the subject matter of this board and the survival of the board in the long term. I am just trying to avoid what I have already seen elsewhere.

On the other hand, shall we discuss the finer aspects of deer hunting? How about auto mechanics? What prevents me from getting a bunch of my friends and bringing them here to talk about those and other off the subject subjects? After all, there is nothing in the title of the BEBOARD that prevents us from doing that right?

Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it.


Wahaika

looks who is taking
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[seagull]

wahaika said:

Jacob,

I'll see if I can still find the sites. They are on Yahoo.

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Sarasa,

I don't speak for anyone but myself. This discussion (allowing men on this board) has already taken place on this board and others.
good then visit these site, they just make for you, sir
In your acceptance of male breast growers on the board, you are an exception to the rule. I'm sure that there are others who are with you and want to feel tolerant. However, this is not about being offended or exercising tolerance. It is about the subject matter of this board and the survival of the board in the long term. I am just trying to avoid what I have already seen elsewhere.

On the other hand, shall we discuss the finer aspects of deer hunting? How about auto mechanics? What prevents me from getting a bunch of my friends and bringing them here to talk about those and other off the subject subjects? After all, there is nothing in the title of the BEBOARD that prevents us from doing that right?

Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it.


Wahaika

[seagull]

snowqueen67 said:

Twilightrose...I completely agree with your thoughts, and I hate the idea of rejecting anyone based on gender .....however I do feel that Wahaika has a point in that given that the process of males growing breasts may be different to females, it may get very confusing (esp for newcomers to the board).

I think the easiest way of dealing with this would be to have a section for males...that way those who don't want to be involved in those discussions don't have to, and vise versa.

rebecca

you idea will not work because not everone if just male or just female, i soory just reality

[seagull]

wahaika said:

Making a new section would require the approval of Pammy or Mominator as they are the administrators. It would not work anyway.

But I'll take it a step further and suggest that they create their own board!! Then they can have a place to go that is dedicated to the subject with no distractions from their preferred topic. All they need to do is go to proboards.com and follow the directions. It is very easy to do!

Whether I or anyone else approves or disapproves of other people's moral standards can be another discussion if you wish. But to deny its existence as a factor of influence is to blind ones self of several facts on the subject of tolerance and what tolerance actually is and how it actually works. Again, it is another discussion and would belong in the Gripes section as that is the catch-all section for stuff like that.

History has proven (to me) that as more males who want to grow breasts occupy a board full of women, the women eventually leave. One effect that should be of intense interest to everyone including the trans-whatever's is that this takes the "science" if you will, and stops it dead in its tracks.

The reason these males occupy the female boards is so that they can learn how to do it themselves, but in participating, they destroy their own source. Does anyone else see this paradox?

So, why not either remain as lurkers or participate in the discussion as it relates to females, take the knowledge back to their own board where there is no opposition to developing it there because that is their subject?

Anyway my time is up for this morning, but a transgender/transvestite/transexual/transwhatever site is ultimately the best way to go for everyone, in order to advance both subjects without opposition from either side. Inserting "male breast growing" discussion into a "female breast growing" discussion does not help either case. In fact, it ultimately inhibits both.

Wahaika


if this so you haver only use male section, why should be only "male" use this board you are sexist and, not all members here are just male or female some are part male and part female, how will deal that realty. this science is just plan wrong, and can not stand to admit it is


Seagull

[jacob]

Seagull, PLEASE chill out. You're not helping the situation here. If you made a post/flame spree like this at one of my forums, you would have been banned by now. I understand that you are angry, but please try to be calm in addressing the matter.

[joyful1]

Back to the sore nipples thing. I have been massaging more and my nipples have been very sore. They felt this way when I started nursing too. I'm not sure it is a sign of growth, but rather too much stimulation. When I feel growing pains, they are deep.

[fawnmarie]

Honestly, the only "man" on this board that's ever offended me is Wahaika. Sorry "w", but that's the truth. Since you aren't involved in doing it for yourself, I'm naturally suspicious, but will give you that you're very helpful and informed and that's great so I've decided to keep my opinions to myself and we've avoided letting controversy destroy the board. Let's not let it happen again.


I personally don't see any difference between the males that intend to become women and the born-women.

Yes - the process is different. And yes, it could become confusing to newcomers. I think a new section is warranted, but neither of our moderators seem to be in attendance often enough to take care of that.

Not sure what the answer is. I don't get the feeling that the majority are offended.

[fawnmarie]

confused said:

Hi Ladies,

I am experiencing some very tender & sore nipples. They are staying errect also. It is a bit uncomfortable while massaging also. My breasts are feeling heavier and looking a little fuller , with pain while massaging also. I also get feelings of something going on in both breasts at different times all day long. They are measuring , if I am doing it correctly 8" or a little better for each breast. I measure from the middle of the breasts, where the breast starts to the outside just starting under the arm, where the breast fat starts. What does this all mean? Good I hope. Also, I have aquired a waist now and lost the fat that had accumulated there . My waist was a size 33" & now it is about 30". My hips have grown and my butt seems to have rounded out also. My thighs have went from a 21" to 23 1/2" each leg. All and all my new measurements are as follows. Maybe this is good I hope. Around chest above the breasts is 37 1/2", below the breast rib cage is 34 1/2" and the breast measurement no bra on accross the nipples is 42 1/4", with each breast from side to side measuring 8" each. Does this all make sense? What are your thoughts please? Thanks so much to all.

God Bless,
confused

Confused - it sounds like you're making great progress and you may just need to find some way to go public. There are people who are trained to help you deal with the legal, emotional and psychological process - you may want to access them asap. You're not going to be able to keep this private for much longer.

Congrats on the progress!

Fawn

[mominator]

wahaika said:

Jacob,

Don't confuse being tolerated for acceptance.

This site is exclusively for growing breasts on women. While males desiring to grow breasts (transvestites) are tolerated, they are not accepted.

Not trying to be offensive, just clear on the misunderstanding.

I have seen males get on these female boards (not just this one) and all they talk about is how to grow breasts on themselves. It is completely off the subject and is an offensive irritation for many women who are serious in their efforts.

I have also seen several boards lose their female membership due to male breast growers flooding the board as is beginning to happen on the BEBOARD right now. Eventually all women will leave the board, as has happened many times on other boards, leaving the transvestites to themselves. I would say that a conservative estimate for this board, at the current rate of transvestites joining the board, is about two years at the very most. Then the women will be gone. (Reasons why is another discussion)

The theories behind using herbs to grow breasts is inseparably linked with the menstrual cycle, the female steroid hormone profile and steroid hormone cascade. In short, if you don't have ovaries, nothing on this site is going to be of much help.

Transvestites, please find another site to use as a repository/gathering place. If you would like to know where the rest of you are hanging out, let me know and I'll try to find the site and point you to it. It was a board like this one but has been taken over by male breast growers now that the women have all left. Otherwise, just understand that you will be the cause of the demise of this board.

Again, I'm not trying to be offensive, just clear.


Wahaika

I reiterate! It is NOT the fact that transgender/sexuals are NOT allowed or permitted on this board. They most certainly are, the BE board theory really does point mostly to cycle, SO....there probably is not much information for a transgender/sexual. Don't answer their questions if you are offended. ENOUGH!

[Wahaika]

fawnmarie said:

Honestly, the only "man" on this board that's ever offended me is Wahaika. Sorry "w", but that's the truth. Since you aren't involved in doing it for yourself, I'm naturally suspicious, but will give you that you're very helpful and informed and that's great so I've decided to keep my opinions to myself and we've avoided letting controversy destroy the board. Let's not let it happen again.


I personally don't see any difference between the males that intend to become women and the born-women.

Yes - the process is different. And yes, it could become confusing to newcomers. I think a new section is warranted, but neither of our moderators seem to be in attendance often enough to take care of that.

Not sure what the answer is. I don't get the feeling that the majority are offended.

I would very much like to comment on how Gender Dysphoria and Gender Dysmorphia, while medical terms, do not imply that everyone claiming to have it actually does. It would be an interesting discussion as the foundation for much of it is flawed. But I agree with mominator, enough has been said. So I will not comment.

Enough of the bickering. Enough arguing.