very tender & sore nipples???

[jacob]

wahaika said:

If you would like to know where the rest of you are hanging out, let me know and I'll try to find the site and point you to it.

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Again, I'm not trying to be offensive, just clear.

While it DID come off as brash, I'll take it at face value... Yes, I WOULD appreciate it if you could find the site you have in mind.

Just so you know, I've been "lurking" around this board for nearly a year, certainly aware of women potentially being offended at this, and looking for a post similar to yours. Unable to find one, or to find any indication of male breast growers being unwelcome, I finally got up the courage to register/post. Thank you for your clarification.

[confused]

Hello Wahaika,

I read your responce to jacob. I am so sorry, if my presense on this board has offended you or anyone else. All anyone had to do was just be nice a enough to explain their feelings and I would have left the board. I really appreciated the FRIENDSHIP that was shown to me here. I did not mean to hurt anyone. I have even tried to help some of the other LADIES on this board, but if no one wants any of my help nor my presence here , then I will try to find some friends somewhere else, just not on a transvestite sight. I do not clasify myself with them. I have been like this since I was very little and it has been very difficult to get through life feeling this way and no one to understand me until here on this board.
I will take all my information from this board , so I do not offend anyone else. That is the farthest thing from my mind to do to anyone.
God Bless to All of You and I do with all my heart wish you all well with your adventures into achieving your breast size.

:'(XXXOOO Love to All,
confused

[rkai93]

Confused....I can't speak for others but I can tell you that Wahika's post, while blunt was compassionate as well. I don't think he was saying that you offended us ladies (though, again, I can only speak for myself), but that your questions would confuse the process:
Men and woman are different hormonally and these routines are generally based on the menstrual cycle - which would absolutely not work for men. So, questions, routines, etc would get muddled when mixed up nad become very difficult to follow.

hormomes are s gender specific, but the are also specific to each woman on here...what works for one, does not for work another...so to add another gender into the mix....you see how it could get very confusing.

Whatever support and friendship you got here - continue - private messenger the ladies who help...you could potentially strike up an email relationship outside the board.

In the meantime - do try to find a forum or support group that is filled with others who have the same feelings as you...this is the blessing of the internet. If you leave in a large urban metropolis, i am sure there are groups out there.

Best of luck!

[sarasa]

Wow, I am so surprised to see such a forthright message of "not wanted" on this site. This site has felt so encouraging and inclusive until now. I for one (very much a female) do not mind what gender the people writing these posts are. Just wanted to put in my two cents since I didn't feel represented by those sweeping statements, and I am a member. I understand that some people may feel uncomfortable with male BE but they don't have to read those posts if they don't want to. If this board is meant to be only for women only then perhaps the name of the board should change to BE board for women only.

By the way, unopposed estrogen in any gender will cause swelling of breasts, in males it's just called gynecomastia... many diseases (including alcoholism), congenital enzyme deficiencies and medications can cause gynecomastia in men, and it is all due to an unopposed or increase in estrogen production. So what I am saying is that men can probably learn a lot from this site, and what works increases estrogen for men and cause BE will also increase estrogens in women and cause BE. It is not mutually exclusive. The doses just may be different, but the principle is the same.

[jacob]

sarasa said:

By the way, unopposed estrogen in any gender will cause swelling of breasts, in males it's just called gynecomastia... many diseases (including alcoholism), congenital enzyme deficiencies and medications can cause gynecomastia in men, and it is all due to an unopposed or increase in estrogen production. So what I am saying is that men can probably learn a lot from this site, and what works increases estrogen for men and cause BE will also increase estrogens in women and cause BE. It is not mutually exclusive. The doses just may be different, but the principle is the same.

Sarasa, that's precisely what I've been looking at. Sure, as you said, doses will likely differ and methods will too, but ultimately what increases estrogen production in women would probably increase it in men as well. That's all I'm after; just finding a way to increase that production.

Also, going back to Wahaika's post where he mentioned that many of the transvestite people "just talk about growing their own breasts," I assume he means doing only that as opposed to encouraging the women here. I considered making such encouraging comments as well, but what stood in my way is, if I was a woman, would I WANT a man encouraging me on breast enhancement? "Hey, looks like you've really made progress, keep it up!" I doubt it. As a female I would probably expect the men to kind of keep to themselves, so that may be why men here are behaving in that way. Just a thought.

Rkai93, I apologize for your offense. Sarasa, thank you for your understanding. Per Rkai's suggestion, I may PM you in the future to pick your brain a bit.

[Wahaika]

Jacob,

I'll see if I can still find the sites. They are on Yahoo.

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Sarasa,

I don't speak for anyone but myself. This discussion (allowing men on this board) has already taken place on this board and others.

In your acceptance of male breast growers on the board, you are an exception to the rule. I'm sure that there are others who are with you and want to feel tolerant. However, this is not about being offended or exercising tolerance. It is about the subject matter of this board and the survival of the board in the long term. I am just trying to avoid what I have already seen elsewhere.

On the other hand, shall we discuss the finer aspects of deer hunting? How about auto mechanics? What prevents me from getting a bunch of my friends and bringing them here to talk about those and other off the subject subjects? After all, there is nothing in the title of the BEBOARD that prevents us from doing that right?

Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it.


Wahaika

[rkai93]

and I was trying to be very clear that a. I only speak for myself and b. I personally do not find the presence offensive at all, but rather was trying to clarify why having men here might be confusing at times.

I am the most open minded person - nothing really offends me but cruelty.

good luck to all!

[Wahaika]

Jacob,

Here are the links to two of the groups I was talking about and promised to post. Groups that started with women and then were overrun by transexuals, etc. (men who want to grow boobs) and now only the transexuals/transvestites/whatever are left.

This group started.
health.groups.yahoo.com/group/nbe-talk/

Then the owner posted a "NO MEN, NO SPAM, NO COMMERCIAL ADS, NO OFF TOPICS" message announcing the formation of a new group:

health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Natural_Breast_Enhancement/

...which she caved in and allowed transexuals. All women eventually left that board. The owner transferred it to a transexual/transvestite. I don't remember his name.

Either or both of these groups may have reactivated since I saw them last. It looks like some women have taken it back up. But the llast post was a year ago.

There are more groups than this but I don't have the time to look for them. There is one in particular that I am sure is still out there but it is buried somewhere in yahoo. It suffered the same fate.

Wahaika

[twilightsrose]

I don't think its about some of us "wanting" to accept transgendered men/women, its just that some us accept them no differently than regular men and women on this board. I've never had any problems, nor felt uncomfortable with any of the regular board members, even you Wahaika, despite the fact that you are a guy... although that raised my eyebrows at first Anyhow, its sad to see it would be an issue at all, but I could see how some women who are not as accepting about such situations would feel uncomfortable or even prejudicial... a very, very unfortunate reality of society for those who are looking for caring faces through their clouds of confusion...

[snowqueen67]

Twilightrose...I completely agree with your thoughts, and I hate the idea of rejecting anyone based on gender .....however I do feel that Wahaika has a point in that given that the process of males growing breasts may be different to females, it may get very confusing (esp for newcomers to the board).

I think the easiest way of dealing with this would be to have a section for males...that way those who don't want to be involved in those discussions don't have to, and vise versa.

rebecca

[Wahaika]

Making a new section would require the approval of Pammy or Mominator as they are the administrators. It would not work anyway.

But I'll take it a step further and suggest that they create their own board!! Then they can have a place to go that is dedicated to the subject with no distractions from their preferred topic. All they need to do is go to proboards.com and follow the directions. It is very easy to do!

Whether I or anyone else approves or disapproves of other people's moral standards can be another discussion if you wish. But to deny its existence as a factor of influence is to blind ones self of several facts on the subject of tolerance and what tolerance actually is and how it actually works. Again, it is another discussion and would belong in the Gripes section as that is the catch-all section for stuff like that.

History has proven (to me) that as more males who want to grow breasts occupy a board full of women, the women eventually leave. One effect that should be of intense interest to everyone including the trans-whatever's is that this takes the "science" if you will, and stops it dead in its tracks.

The reason these males occupy the female boards is so that they can learn how to do it themselves, but in participating, they destroy their own source. Does anyone else see this paradox?

So, why not either remain as lurkers or participate in the discussion as it relates to females, take the knowledge back to their own board where there is no opposition to developing it there because that is their subject?

Anyway my time is up for this morning, but a transgender/transvestite/transexual/transwhatever site is ultimately the best way to go for everyone, in order to advance both subjects without opposition from either side. Inserting "male breast growing" discussion into a "female breast growing" discussion does not help either case. In fact, it ultimately inhibits both.

Wahaika

[confused]

Hello everyone,

I would just like to add, that I didn't even know this board existed, until I was invited to join by one of your own female awesome members. She was very understanding and she also knows , that my final step is to become as much a full female as possible even to the extent of surgery. Does that then make me acceptable or not? Who knows. All I know is that my body is already on its own producing female level hormones. Just thought, I would add a little comment. Thank you all for understanding.

One thing confuses me though, and that is how does Wahaika, being a man on this board know so much about female breast growth and so many other female problems, Please? just wondering.

God Bless,

confused

[jacob]

Maybe he's a gynecologist *shrug*

[seagull]

wahaika said:

Jacob,

Don't confuse being tolerated for acceptance.

This site is exclusively for growing breasts on women. While males desiring to grow breasts (transvestites) are tolerated, they are not accepted.

Not trying to be offensive, just clear on the misunderstanding.

I have seen males get on these female boards (not just this one) and all they talk about is how to grow breasts on themselves. It is completely off the subject and is an offensive irritation for many women who are serious in their efforts.

I have also seen several boards lose their female membership due to male breast growers flooding the board as is beginning to happen on the BEBOARD right now. Eventually all women will leave the board, as has happened many times on other boards, leaving the transvestites to themselves. I would say that a conservative estimate for this board, at the current rate of transvestites joining the board, is about two years at the very most. Then the women will be gone. (Reasons why is another discussion)

The theories behind using herbs to grow breasts is inseparably linked with the menstrual cycle, the female steroid hormone profile and steroid hormone cascade. In short, if you don't have ovaries, nothing on this site is going to be of much help.

Transvestites, please find another site to use as a repository/gathering place. If you would like to know where the rest of you are hanging out, let me know and I'll try to find the site and point you to it. It was a board like this one but has been taken over by male breast growers now that the women have all left. Otherwise, just understand that you will be the cause of the demise of this board.

Again, I'm not trying to be offensive, just clear.


Wahaika

Your statements both out of line and reflected a very educated person, Wahaika, shame on you, maybe you should use another forum, maybe you are transvestites yourself, their some on board who born with both male and female physical and biological ones. This board seem take over your uneducated statement you not much room too talk



Seagull

[seagull]

wahaika said:

Making a new section would require the approval of Pammy or Mominator as they are the administrators. It would not work anyway.

But I'll take it a step further and suggest that they create their own board!! Then they can have a place to go that is dedicated to the subject with no distractions from their preferred topic. All they need to do is go to proboards.com and follow the directions. It is very easy to do!

Whether I or anyone else approves or disapproves of other people's moral standards can be another discussion if you wish. But to deny its existence as a factor of influence is to blind ones self of several facts on the subject of tolerance and what tolerance actually is and how it actually works. Again, it is another discussion and would belong in the Gripes section as that is the catch-all section for stuff like that.

History has proven (to me) that as more males who want to grow breasts occupy a board full of women, the women eventually leave. One effect that should be of intense interest to everyone including the trans-whatever's is that this takes the "science" if you will, and stops it dead in its tracks.

The reason these males occupy the female boards is so that they can learn how to do it themselves, but in participating, they destroy their own source. Does anyone else see this paradox?

So, why not either remain as lurkers or participate in the discussion as it relates to females, take the knowledge back to their own board where there is no opposition to developing it there because that is their subject?

Anyway my time is up for this morning, but a transgender/transvestite/transexual/transwhatever site is ultimately the best way to go for everyone, in order to advance both subjects without opposition from either side. Inserting "male breast growing" discussion into a "female breast growing" discussion does not help either case. In fact, it ultimately inhibits both.

Wahaika

speak for yourself, what said is total wrong, this borad is not yous in belongs to over 2, 000 members that use it, you sir a just one person