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Post by fawnmarie on Oct 10, 2005 13:03:03 GMT -5
I like his brother. Americans are very forceful with our opinions because we have a lot of elbow room. Because of the size of our country, we tend to shout to get ourselves heard and this affects our social personas. It's not like Europe or Japan where you can't swing a dead cat without hitting someone or hurting their feelings. You have to launch a cat with rockets just to get yourself heard. Frankly, it gives me a headache. Because we live in not just a highly diverse society, but a highly diverse GEOGRAPHY, we all have different needs and opinions about how things should work. Those of us who live in tightly cramped urban areas subconsciously see the advantages of an open homosexual culture (better theatre, better restaurants and less kids!) Those who live in rural areas might feel differently and have different priorities (such as the need to "conform" for security and safety and survival). Our geography has been incredibly influential to our character. Because our land is so big, and when we first started out our population was so small, that we put emphasis on the life of each individual. Because there was so few of us, each one was needed and treasured for survival. We've still got a lot of land per capita. Anyway, this has led to the culture of the individual - where each and every person is assumed to be necessary and should be protected and should have their say. On one hand, it's led to a great deal of compassion and human rights advances. On the other hand, it means we have to give not a very nice persons their 15 minutes. Because we have so much room, we tend to be less polite. Our country has always been big and varied enough to hide for decades if you tick someone off. Fawn
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Post by Ruderico on Oct 12, 2005 9:55:03 GMT -5
So, gays should hide out in the country-side? Or should they get a Gay State of America? LOL!! haha ;D
But I get the point, I was just a little shocked to hear such opinions. You're right, Holland has a culture and history of tolerance towards minorities (although it is changing unfortunately), because in Holland every groep is a minority, and in order to live with each other, people needed to be tolarant. So gays have their space like everyone else.
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Post by hydeandseek on Oct 12, 2005 18:41:37 GMT -5
i think that gays shouldn't have to hide their sexual orientation, unless THEY want to keep it under wraps. i have news for people...gays have always been around--->in the workplace, in the military, in politics, in hollywood, its just that only recently that society became more accepting of them being publically gay, y'know, coming out. while i'm on my podium let me just once again say how much i can't stand presdent bush. when he gets out of office he ought to run for president of iraq because he obviously cares more about the iraqui people than the people of his own country. we can get a military presence over there so fast everyone's heads were spinning, we blow up the coutnry and we can get halliburton contractors over there, really fast, to rebuild everything. i don't see bush sending halliburton or any other large company into new orleans to aid with the rebuliding of that city. bush just lets the usa try to fend for itself while rolling out the red carpet to every other nation on this planet. bush makes me wanna barf
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Post by righttobarearms on Oct 18, 2005 20:20:11 GMT -5
I disagree with you hyd. I think the president is doing what he can and he is sending help out there. There is thousands of our troops over there helping. We are bringing people out of there and giving them food and housing. The place is still flooded, what do you want him to do build boat houses. They can not rebuild until the flood is gone. As a military wife I support the president because he supports the military. Things can not be done overnight. It will take a very long time to rebuild. Bush has freed Iraq from the wrath of Sadam's hands. Bush supports the military and if the other president came to office we wouldn't get his support. With out the military America wouldn't be here today. he gave $400 dollars for each child in the house hold up to 2. ( I forgot what it was called) He made it where we get $400 dollars in tax return for each child. He gives us pay raises to level out our pay with the civilian jobs because we were getting paid under civilian pay. That just names a few. People say he made a mistake in Iraq I say he freed Iraq. How can freedom be a mistake? We are there even if the media does not show it, they usually show the bad anyways. Sorry that the president does not have a billion dollars to drop in their hands to get them to be happy. I do feel sorry for them but even I know things just don't get fixed over night and thats what they want and the whole "he hates blacks thing". That is just stupid. I hate it when people have to go that low but anyways I just want to put my two cents in.
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Post by hydeandseek on Oct 19, 2005 15:52:31 GMT -5
i'm sorry if you misunderstood me. i fully support our military, they are heroes and they are doing a great job. i just don't support our president. the only thing i disagree with is that who are we to push our beliefs on other countries. i mean, cuba is communist, yet we don't invade cuba, oust fidel castro and force them to adopt a constitution, hold elections, and become a free country...ditto goes for china.
as for new orleans, a lot of the blame rests on bush's CHOICE for FEMA leader. they were the ones that dropped the ball on getting expedited aid to the city. no i don't expect them to build boat houses for the people, that's ridiculous, but i don't think the people who fled the storm that are in hotels & motels should be forced to leave just because the government doesn't want to pay the bill anymore.
what i don't understand is that the president can approve billions of dollars in funding for iraq in the blink of an eye, yet it took them 3 days to vote on the funding for aid for new orleans and other katrinia victims, meanwhile there were people left to starve and die in the streets.
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Post by fawnmarie on Oct 19, 2005 19:23:20 GMT -5
I dislike Bush, mostly because I think he's brain dead. And I liked his dad okay, and his brother is my governor, and I like him okay too. Dubya's a moron.
HOWEVER - I don't really think there was really much more anyone could have done about Katrina - it was devastating. Sometimes, no matter how rich we are, or how smart we are, or how many bags of ice we have, we can't overcome nature.
Iraq wasn't our country to free - THAT's what was wrong with that. People have to evolve to democracy and they have to be willing to fight and die for their own freedom. Like we did. Like France did. Like Rumania did. Even like Russia did, sort of, eventually.
Democracy requires the revelation that the freedom and rights of the individual is supreme and more important than the good of the state, more important than the religion or the god, more important than the race or the culture. Democracy requires the attitude that every single individual has the divine and inalienable right to have their say. Iraq doesn't have that mindset, it's broken too strongly along racial and religious lines. Until they "evolve", democracy won't work. And that applies to every other backwater hell hole that George W wants to "democratize".
You can't apply democracy like a poultice. Freedom has to be earned, or it isn't deserved.
Fawn
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Post by righttobarearms on Oct 19, 2005 19:58:20 GMT -5
I think you have it all wrong. First of all, do you even come close to matching the education required to become president i.e. a law degree. For that matter do you even have a bachelors degree. If you were to enter a battle of wits with "W" I'm pretty sure that you would lose. Secondly, on Iraq, the people wanted democracy. However, the fascist government would not allow them that freedom. This is due to the fact that it would infringe on their rights to rule and ruin everyones lives. If you think that people should fight for their freedom and think that the Iraqis have not been trying to do this for years then you need to think again. Could you fight for your own freedom? I am pretty sure that with your closed mindedness that it would some how come across as unethical to fight. This would leave you with nothing. You must be willing to help the less fortunate, i.e. Iraq, to earn their freedom, unlike people like you that take it for granted. I do not mean to sound rude, but freedom is something that I don't take lightly.
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Post by hydeandseek on Oct 19, 2005 20:57:29 GMT -5
i think just about anybody could win a debate with "dubya" cuz that man can't even speak in complete sentences. from what i rememeber in government class, the only requirements to run for president is that you are at least 35 years of age and are a natural born us citizen. and nowadays a lot of campaign money is a must too.
fawn is right though, iraq was not ours to free and there is still insurgency abounding in the country so not everybody there is embracing this democracy. who are we to force our beliefs on another country?
bush thinks he has the american people snowed---this war is not about freeing a persecuted people, its all about OIL.
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Post by fawnmarie on Oct 20, 2005 9:05:05 GMT -5
I think you have it all wrong. First of all, do you even come close to matching the education required to become president i.e. a law degree. For that matter do you even have a bachelors degree. If you were to enter a battle of wits with "W" I'm pretty sure that you would lose. Secondly, on Iraq, the people wanted democracy. However, the fascist government would not allow them that freedom. This is due to the fact that it would infringe on their rights to rule and ruin everyones lives. If you think that people should fight for their freedom and think that the Iraqis have not been trying to do this for years then you need to think again. Could you fight for your own freedom? I am pretty sure that with your closed mindedness that it would some how come across as unethical to fight. This would leave you with nothing. You must be willing to help the less fortunate, i.e. Iraq, to earn their freedom, unlike people like you that take it for granted. I do not mean to sound rude, but freedom is something that I don't take lightly. Are you speaking to me? Well, actually I have an IQ of 146 and graduated high school at 15 and started college at 16. I had a 4.0 GPA in college. I've been in gifted and accelerated educational programs all my life. Yes, I do think that I have a comparable education to "W", although mine has been slanted towards other areas than law and I haven't finished the degree. I did my time in "politics", have been an active member of the Republican party and campaigned for Ronald Reagan back in the day, along with other candidates of the party. I dropped them as bad nonsense when they started coddling up to the religious right in response to the Clinton candidacy. Not only did I vote for, but WORKED for, President Bush the elder, as a member of the US Armed Forces during the Gulf War (you know, the one where we stayed within the limits given to us by the UN?) During my eight year stint in the Air Force, I earned several Commendation Medals, many unit awards and citations, and graduated as a Levitow award winner from the NCO Academy. I was the youngest and lowest ranking NCO to ever hold a wing-wide position of authority, a position that had previously been held by a 47 year old E8 (I was a 28 year old E5 at the time). During my enlistment I was solicited by the Presidio, because my language skills scores were some of the highest ever recorded. So, yes, I certainly think that I have a comparable education, if not the paperwork, and I have an exemplary military record. I could probably beat him at a battle of wits, with one frontal lobe tied behind my skull. Granted, I didn't drink as much as he did in the 80's, and I've never done cocaine - I probably have more brain cells left. I think George is a moron. A well-meaning moron, but nevertheless, a moron. His emotional knee-jerk reactions have led to the senseless death of 2000 of our young men and the loss billions of dollars of OUR money. And he doesn't have the wit to admit his mistakes with good grace, so he just won't admit them. If the Iraqi's want freedom, I say they earn it (oh, and yes, I DID fight for my freedom, and YOURS too. You're welcome.) I believe in helping others. As soon as we no longer have AMERICAN school children taking home backpacks of food from school programs so they can eat on the weekend. As soon as AMERICAN seniors are eating meat instead of dog food. As soon as AMERICAN parents can afford to buy safe homes for their children and the children can attend well run schools. As soon as regular middle class AMERICANS don't have to decide between buying their medication or putting food on the table, I will be very happy to help Iraqi's build schools, build roads, and institute a democratic vote. And by the way - Ol' George got permission to invade Iraq based on the threat of nuclear and biological weapons. NO ONE gave him permission to invade Iraq to free ANYBODY. And believe it or not, he DOES need permission. Please read your constitution. This measure was put into place to balance the power of elected officials. He was given permission to invade based on an impending threat of attack from Iraq. Iraq was never any threat to the US. They were a paper tiger in '91, and they were a paper tiger in '03. If George can't seem to distinguish fact from macho posturing, maybe it's because he suffers from the same affliction? And until we earn the luxury of helping others, by having enough for ourselves, I think we're a lot better off not pressing our help on countries that did not ask for it. NOBODY asked George to FREE ANYBODY. Iraqi's didn't ask for it, and the US citizens never approved it. As someone who gave up eight years of personal freedom and rights to become a member of the US Armed Forces for the purpose of protecting the rights of my countrymen, I take freedom HIGHLY seriously. Enough to have given up my personal civil liberties to protect YOURS. I believe that it needs to be earned. If it isn't earned, it isn't cherished. Fawn
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Post by shakira8 on Oct 20, 2005 9:28:35 GMT -5
I'm with Fawn on this!Bush is hated by any living person on this world!In America the MEDIA is controlled by the government and it shows what THEY want to show you.I live in Greece and I must tell you,Europe has freaked out with the stuff they see on tv about this war.You americans don't get to see what's really happening over there,this war is not about freedom,it's about oil.Do you know that the price is 200% higher now?How are we gonna live through winter when the prices get so high ?Because of this clown the whole world is getting poorer,get rid of him,don't let people hate America just because of this jerk!
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Post by Wahaika on Oct 20, 2005 12:48:16 GMT -5
Bush is almost out. The real question is who should be next.
Hillary?
AH HAHAHHAHAHA!
ehem. Couldn't resist.
Wahaika
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Post by fawnmarie on Oct 20, 2005 13:39:03 GMT -5
Wahaika - you know if they had put up the "smart one" - you know, JEB! Hey, I'd vote for him. He's alright, though he's done a few dumb things, most of the were heartfelt and none of them got anybody killed.
Hillary? Why not. I'm embarrassed to say I'm not familiar with her actual political record in office. But then, I don't live in her state. I like her vision, but that doesn't mean she can live up to it, or make it happen.
Heck - I'm still shocked by our current lady mayor - who made campaign promises and darned if she hasn't kept them. It's absolutely astonishing! She said she would affect certain changes in our public services, and darned if it ain't happening! I'm stunned. I'm not used to politicians, you know, DELIVERING. Just reacting.
How about a 2008 ticket of Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama?
Heck, I'd vote for 'em.
Fawn
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Post by righttobarearms on Oct 20, 2005 15:39:12 GMT -5
You seem to think highly of yourself. I can not thank a person who does not think all people should not be free and yes I know why we went to war on Iraq but the out come seem to be better to me. I can careless about the oil. My life is not based on oil. Life is always going to get expensive thought out the years, no matter what president is in office and I can see why you and your click would be against Bush. He has morals and believes in the one and only God. I expect that from you and those who do not truly believe in God, You know the one who made the earth and is Jesus father. You push your dowsing on people and so does your click. I know, I've seen it. So do not say other people push their believes on people so do you and another thing my husband is also one of the few who made rank so fast and that got rewarded with awards,Madel's, decorations and yes even trophies and planes on retiring proudly in the military. He is staying in for the long haul not giving up and getting out when things go bad or if he does not like a president. He is in for his country and the freedom for others. He is also in charge of his wing and he is the lowest rank ( Technical Sergeant E6). Your boasting means nothing to me. Well I can see now that only certain people are welcome here because if I was one of your click you wouldn't talk so harshly to me. So I will just be on my way. Another person not welcomed. (how predictable) (You could just be full of it) hehehe
Righttobarearms
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Post by hydeandseek on Oct 20, 2005 16:20:48 GMT -5
fawn marie, you are AWESOME ! first of all, thanks for being one of the many heroes of the US Armed Forces that has defended our freedom! and, what you said about takng care of our own first is my thoughts exactly. let's take care of our own and make sure that our senior citizens don't have to choose between heating their homes this winter and buying medication. let's really make sure that 'no child is left behind' and see to it that all children get a good education and a chance at a college education. if hillary clinton and barak obama were on the ticket together, they'd have my vote sure sure!
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Post by shakira8 on Oct 21, 2005 3:01:25 GMT -5
You seem to think highly of yourself. I can not thank a person who does not think all people should not be free and yes I know why we went to war on Iraq but the out come seem to be better to me. I can careless about the oil. My life is not based on oil. Life is always going to get expensive thought out the years, no matter what president is in office and I can see why you and your click would be against Bush. He has morals and believes in the one and only God. I expect that from you and those who do not truly believe in God, You know the one who made the earth and is Jesus father. You push your dowsing on people and so does your click. I know, I've seen it. So do not say other people push their believes on people so do you and another thing my husband is also one of the few who made rank so fast and that got rewarded with awards,Madel's, decorations and yes even trophies and planes on retiring proudly in the military. He is staying in for the long haul not giving up and getting out when things go bad or if he does not like a president. He is in for his country and the freedom for others. He is also in charge of his wing and he is the lowest rank ( Technical Sergeant E6). Your boasting means nothing to me. Well I can see now that only certain people are welcome here because if I was one of your click you wouldn't talk so harshly to me. So I will just be on my way. Another person not welcomed. (how predictable) (You could just be full of it) hehehe Righttobarearms OMG!Now I understand why half of americans voted for this a*****e,you'reso narrow minded and seems to me that that brainwashing works after all!You are such an egoist,just because your life doesn't get affected by the oil prices you SHOULD care for the rest of the world!This moron is a redneck-king and I can imagine what kind of people voted for him!You believe in God?Well,does God like war?Coz your president does!Wow,he's such a believer!FYI he's been telling you lies for so many years,nobody asked for freedom!Oh,as for dangerous weapons?Yeah,nuclear weapons my a**!There was nothing there,it was just an excuse to get their hands on the oil factorys!The US army keeps bombing the whole world and then wonder why their country is the most hated on the planet!Whatever happened on 11/9 happened coz your country brought it to you!It was time that the world showed America that can't take it anymore!Don't mess with the world and the world wont mess with you!I'm sorry for all this people that died but I'm sorry for the people that has gotten killed by the american army too!Don't get me wrong here,I like America but I don't like the people that voted for Bush! Fawn, thank you for being reasonable when everybody else isn't!
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