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Post by warriorqueen on Feb 10, 2004 14:26:31 GMT -5
Just wondering because I think I probably am. Should those deficient in estrogen take larger doses of BO/herbs to increase their estrogen levels, or stick with what's 'normal' for BE purposes and try to block their progesterone?
I was just wondering because upping SP to block conversion of the body's own estrogen to androgens can be sufficient in itself to help BE along in some cases. So thought that possibly blocking progesterone in those higher in prog. could leave the estrogen in the system freer to settle in estrogen receptors in the breasts.
I've experimented with increased estrogen (3000mg BO when I took that, and 4,000 mg phyto estrogen. Upping estrogen works for a while (where 'working' = tingles) although what seems more effective is increasing PR blockers. In which case oregano seems to be more effective than damiana. However, I'm still not having major results so all this is just trial and error in the vain hope that something will kick in!
Jump in everyone if you have any tips!!
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Post by fawnmarie on Feb 10, 2004 14:50:50 GMT -5
"I was just wondering because upping SP to block conversion of the body's own estrogen to androgens can be sufficient in itself to help BE along in some cases."
Actually, what SP does is block receptors for DHT (which is a form of testosterone) and keeps it from working in the cells. It does not affect the conversion of estrogen to testosterone or vice-versa.
What it really does is keeps one form of testosterone from inhibiting the action of testosterone on breast cells.
Testosterone-to-estrogen is facilitated by body heat (warmer the better)
Preventing testosterone from converting to estrogen is facilitated by adequate zinc.
Fawn
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Post by warriorqueen on Feb 11, 2004 4:20:04 GMT -5
Thanks for putting me right on that one!  How can body heat be increased? By maintaining regular temps? Just curious, cos I'm often the type with chilly fingers and feet (mostly at night) - not to mention coldish upper thighs (mainly the outer parts???). I'm taking kelp and l-tyrosine when I remember! |
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Post by mominator on Feb 11, 2004 6:46:40 GMT -5
Hi WQ, You HAVE to remember, I have noticed that if I fall behind in my schedule for supplements, which is when I take my L-tyrosine, I will get very chilled.  This is a recent discovery, since in my part of the world it is WINTER!  VERY WINTER I might add.  I take the L-tyrosine, I warm up. Thinkin' about changing to Solary Glandular...might be easier to regulate.  |
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Post by warriorqueen on Feb 11, 2004 8:19:09 GMT -5
Hi Momi,
Thanks for the advice! Not sure if L-Tyro does a great deal for me - but I do have some Solarary Thyroid caps around somewhere. I've got an appt. to have my thyroid levels tested . Could take a while as it's always busy and takes ages to get the results back. That should help though!
How are you getting on? Any growth? I've actually been stuck at 8" diameter for months (which is 0.25" less than when I started!!). But I know many shrink before growing. So I'm trying to be patient!
Happy growing!
WQ
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Post by fawnmarie on Feb 11, 2004 9:39:50 GMT -5
First of all - yes, you could be slowed down by excess progesterone - maybe - if it's not converting properly.
Perhaps as an "Adrenal" type, it's following the DHEA/Testosterone patch and the testosterone isn't aromatizing into estrogen?
First of all take your temps, three times a day for three days, average out. Cold hands/feet could just mean poor circulation, and isn't an indicator of thyroid function or core temperature. (My feet are cold all the time and I've been running 99 all the time, it seems.)
Average it out. If you are running an average below 97, please get back with us and let us know.
All that excess estrogen might be stalling out your thyroid, which is what is reducing your temperatures and keeping the testosterone from aromatizing.
Fawn
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Post by mominator on Feb 11, 2004 18:37:43 GMT -5
Hi WG, Me growin' again. I lost quite a bit from loosing weight. I started at a 36 band, now down to a 32:O. Not complainin' though....as long as the boobies recover. I was loosing the weight slowly, then I got sick and VERY busy, and just stopped eating.  MY BAD! I will updating pics sometime, it's just SO cold I hate to think about getting nakie for pics. ;D YIKES! |
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Post by warriorqueen on Feb 12, 2004 4:48:04 GMT -5
Great that you're growing again Momi! Go for it! Not so good to hear you've been sick! And DON"T forget to eat - WQ's orders!
Keep on in there girlie!
WQ
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Post by warriorqueen on Feb 12, 2004 4:55:47 GMT -5
First of all - yes, you could be slowed down by excess progesterone - maybe - if it's not converting properly. Perhaps as an "Adrenal" type, it's following the DHEA/Testosterone patch and the testosterone isn't aromatizing into estrogen? First of all take your temps, three times a day for three days, average out. Cold hands/feet could just mean poor circulation, and isn't an indicator of thyroid function or core temperature. (My feet are cold all the time and I've been running 99 all the time, it seems.) Average it out. If you are running an average below 97, please get back with us and let us know. All that excess estrogen might be stalling out your thyroid, which is what is reducing your temperatures and keeping the testosterone from aromatizing. Fawn Thanks Fawn. OK here we go..... Managed to dig out an old mercury thermometer and yesterday my temps averaged at just under 96. I shall continue to measure for the next few days - correct me if I'm wrong but are the measuring times first thing on waking, then early afternoon, then mid evening? I've always a bit on the lowish side but even this seems a bit strange! WQ |
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Post by Wenonae on Feb 12, 2004 11:58:16 GMT -5
Err...Fawn's totally onto something. Glad you checked those temps, and yeah, 3X's a day, espcially at waking, then mid-day, and b4 bed should be fine.
Let's see what's going on with ya in a few days...
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