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Post by blueangel on Dec 11, 2005 16:23:09 GMT -5
let us all remember the real reason of the season.
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Post by fawnmarie on Dec 11, 2005 22:11:20 GMT -5
Well, before it was "Christmas" it was "Yule", so can we remember that too?
Fawn
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Post by boobius2maximus on Dec 11, 2005 22:49:53 GMT -5
yule is a pagan celebration usually running thru the 23rd. christmas is a celebration of christ - the creator, rather than of nature the creation.
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Post by buffy on Dec 12, 2005 9:07:47 GMT -5
It was also Saturnalia, celebrated on December 25th on the Julian calendar (the calendar used back then). The pagans decorated pine trees and exchanged presents long before the date was used to celebrate Christ's birth. There is a passage in the Bible warning of the emptiness of the decorated tree tradition.
Or, on that date, we can remember the Roman tradition of celebrating the rebirth of the sun on this shortest day of the year (again, on the Julian calendar).
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Post by fm1 on Dec 12, 2005 9:27:56 GMT -5
Blueangel; These comments are to be expected- most people don't want to hear about Christ at Christmas anymore, but I agree with you 100% and want to say ,Thanks for the reminder. Regardless of all the different holidays celebrated this time of year, it's good to know there are some still celebrating the birth of Jesus. Moreover, the message of Jesus -which is Love in Service to one another. It's a healthy reminder we can all benefit from that's for sure. And a good standard for our actions!
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Post by fawnmarie on Dec 12, 2005 11:37:47 GMT -5
The season is "winter" - and the reason for winter is that the earth's axis is tipped away from the sun.
Jesus wasn't actually born in December - the Catholic church decided to use the Saturnalia in Rome and the Yule in Europe as the birthday of Jesus around the 4th century because the pagans were already celebrating it, and it helped them convert them.
I don't think these "lectures" about proper religious faith are appropriate on a discussion forum for bigger boobs. Anybody else?
Fawn
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Post by boobius2maximus on Dec 12, 2005 11:45:38 GMT -5
there are a whole lot of things being discussed on this board that have nothing to do with bigger boobs. why get offended becomes someone mentions Jesus? the christmas season in question is a celebration of Christ. not of winter, not of the sun. Christmas is so called because it is a celebration of the birth of Christ. the first post was a lovely reminder of the meaning of Christmas. she was not trying to start a debate about the origins of pagan celebrations. she was referring to Christmas. and i thank her for her reminder and find no problem with it.
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Post by Wenonae on Dec 12, 2005 13:11:35 GMT -5
This discussion is in the proper location- 'Off Topic'.  Jesus was not born in the winter, but the Memorial day for his birth was chosen (as mentioned) to help convert people over who celebrated another 'pagan' holiday. What's little known is that the numerical day of Jesus's birth IS the 29th, so that made it even easier to use a date like the 25th for memoralization. He was a Great Man...unfortunately 'religion' has tarnished a lot of what he accomplished and taught. So I for one will remember the guy- and not the Sales Season. Wen' |
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Post by hydeandseek on Dec 12, 2005 16:59:54 GMT -5
very well said wen.
i'm a christian and repulsed by how the celebration of christmas has gotten. its not about jesus, sure some people may have a manger scene on display, but Christ has almost been completely removed from the whole Christmas celebration. maybe that's why now all the schools refer to it as "winter holidays" or "winter break".
i think christmas trees, lights, santa, and gift giving is fine, as long as you remember what the season is REALLY about. Just like the celebration of Easter. as a kid i enjoyed many easter egg hunts, easter baskets, and chocolate easter bunnies, but i remember my mother sitting down with me and telling what easter was really about. she told me that Christ died for all our sins, rose from the dead on the 3rd day, and that if we believed in Him that we too would have everlasting life and all our sins would be forgiven.
i think my christianity is a reason why i haven't gotten a breast augmentation yet. i believe that God created us in His own image and if I go and get fake boobs, I'm telling God that He made a mistake on me. i don't know if that makes any sense, and i'm not trying to push my beliefs on anybody on this board, just wanted to share with you all.
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Post by Wahaika on Dec 12, 2005 22:42:12 GMT -5
Yep, same here. Happy Holidays just doesn't have the same ring to it. Wow what a discussion on such a normally friendly topic. I'm so happy to see that so many are intensely interested in origins. If we went back even further in time we would find that Christ was the creator of this earth and its seasons. He is the reason for the Season in that respect also. We celebrate his birth for who he is and what he did for all of us, even those who refuse to acknowledge it. Thank you Peachy and Boobius2maximus for the reminder. And rather than wish you all seasons greetings or happy holidays, I wish you all a very  Wahaika 'Out upon merry Christmas! What's Christmas time to you but a time for paying bills without money; a time for finding yourself a year older, but not an hour richer...? If I could work my will," said Scrooge indignantly, "every idiot who goes about with 'Merry Christmas' upon his lips should be boiled with his own pudding, and buried with a stake of holly through his heart. He should!" ' Charles DÃckens, A Christmas Carol |
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Post by confused on Dec 12, 2005 23:30:26 GMT -5
To All who are interested,
I find it a good practice to have a Birthday Cake for Jesus on Christmas to remind our grandchildren what it is really all about. I hope , I haven't affended anyone, but JESUS LOVES ALL OF US or He would not have died for All of US. God Bless to All and Merry Christmas.
With Blessings to All,
jre
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Post by zanyzara on Dec 13, 2005 17:50:42 GMT -5
The season is "winter" - and the reason for winter is that the earth's axis is tipped away from the sun. Jesus wasn't actually born in December - the Catholic church decided to use the Saturnalia in Rome and the Yule in Europe as the birthday of Jesus around the 4th century because the pagans were already celebrating it, and it helped them convert them. I don't think these "lectures" about proper religious faith are appropriate on a discussion forum for bigger boobs. Anybody else? Fawn Whoa Fawn !!!  Whats up with you today? your not usually this anti but anyway as Wen says this is in the 'off topic' section so we are allowed to discuss these things here. Must have had a bad day, huh? ZZ p.s Has anyone seen Lion, Witch and the wardrobe yet. Loved it. The Lion Azlan is Christ like figure, innocent blood dying for sinful man. Go and see it if you haven't seen it. |
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Post by ladyoftheshadows on Dec 13, 2005 19:30:05 GMT -5
Well I thought the reason that schools call it winter break is because not everyone is a Christian. Why not call it Hanukkah or Kwanzaa break or Yule (as Fawn noted) break? In a Catholic or religious school, I could understand a Christmas break, but in a public school, its not fair to call it a Christmas vacation at the exclusion of other non-Christian students who celebrate other events. And then you get into questions of why isn't there a break for non-Christian holidays. I have no problem with Christmas being associated with Christ, but I think its important to respect diversity, and if some people say happy holidays, they might be conscious of all of the various holidays and observances that fall around the time of Christmas. So fine, Christmas day, for Christians, is about Christ, but the whole winter holiday season isnt about Christ for everyone. So I'll just add:
Happy Hanukkah!
Happy Kwanzaa !
Happy Yule!
Happy Saturnalia!
and Happy Whatever to all the others I might have missed!
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Post by buffy on Dec 13, 2005 22:36:07 GMT -5
Well I thought the reason that schools call it winter break is because not everyone is a Christian. Why not call it Hanukkah or Kwanzaa break or Yule (as Fawn noted) break? In a Catholic or religious school, I could understand a Christmas break, but in a public school, its not fair to call it a Christmas vacation at the exclusion of other non-Christian students who celebrate other events. And then you get into questions of why isn't there a break for non-Christian holidays. I have no problem with Christmas being associated with Christ, but I think its important to respect diversity, and if some people say happy holidays, they might be conscious of all of the various holidays and observances that fall around the time of Christmas. So fine, Christmas day, for Christians, is about Christ, but the whole winter holiday season isnt about Christ for everyone. So I'll just add: Happy Hanukkah! Happy Kwanzaa ! Happy Yule! Happy Saturnalia! and Happy Whatever to all the others I might have missed! Thank you, ladyoftheshadows. It may seem innocent when you are a part of the christian majority, but christians aren't the only ones inhabiting this planet. I for one am not offended by a "Merry Christmas"-- not at all. But I know what it's like to be in the minority. ...And, I always thought the purpose of saying "Happy Holidays" was to be more inclusive of other holidays, like New Year's, rather than to downplay the christian holiday. |
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Post by billiebobjoe7 on Dec 14, 2005 15:13:38 GMT -5
Well I thought the reason that schools call it winter break is because not everyone is a Christian. Why not call it Hanukkah or Kwanzaa break or Yule (as Fawn noted) break? In a Catholic or religious school, I could understand a Christmas break, but in a public school, its not fair to call it a Christmas vacation at the exclusion of other non-Christian students who celebrate other events. And then you get into questions of why isn't there a break for non-Christian holidays. I have no problem with Christmas being associated with Christ, but I think its important to respect diversity, and if some people say happy holidays, they might be conscious of all of the various holidays and observances that fall around the time of Christmas. So fine, Christmas day, for Christians, is about Christ, but the whole winter holiday season isnt about Christ for everyone. So I'll just add: Happy Hanukkah! Happy Kwanzaa ! Happy Yule! Happy Saturnalia! and Happy Whatever to all the others I might have missed! Thank you very much!! I'm Jewish, and it was nice of you to mention Chanukkah and other holidays! |
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