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Post by Chickydee on Jan 30, 2004 19:22:08 GMT -5
Just thought I'd share that when i first began my endeavors at BE, shortly thereafter I felt this hard lump on the top of my breast where it was actually gaining some fullness.....so I went in and had a breast examination and she told me that it was breast tissue. It felt almost like a bump over my bone. Anyway I wouldn't worry too much if you feel a lump in your breast......it could be new breast tissue your feeling...but I'm not saying to just ignore it....of course be cautious, but there can be that possibility that it is new breast tissue. ;D
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Post by princess26 on Jan 30, 2004 20:56:30 GMT -5
Thanks for the info. It's weird cuz just yesterday I felt this lump and got kinda freaked out. I was very sore in that spot too. I thought that I would wait til today to see if I felt any better and I guess I kinda do. It's only on one breast which happens to be the only one I massage due to it being the smaller of the two...trying to get them to be more symetrical  Anyways, I hope that this means that I am growing! I just posted something on this earlier today so it's strange that u posted it too. Atleast we are not alone in this, ya know??? Thanks for the insight, Kelly |
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Post by lucille on Jan 31, 2004 22:25:34 GMT -5
Hi Chickydee,
Thanks for the info! Actually, I was getting a little concerned because my breasts seem to be SO firm, I wasn't sure if it was normal. I've never had "breasts" before (just some skin and nipples, haha!), so I'm not sure what normal is!
I did a little search for info and apparently breast lumps, etc. are quite common and harmless - so I am assuming things are fine for me.
Anybody else have any input on this subject??
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Post by twilightsrose on Jan 31, 2004 22:41:54 GMT -5
Hi guys...I developed fibrocystic breast from BE in one of my breasts. I suppose I haven't yet told my full story...but it started exactly the same way as you describe. It started with a small lump of tissue which began forming and growing above the nipple. Went to the doctor who eventually told me it was nothing to worry about. Eventually, after quite a few months the breast (which started at a AA) became (believe it or not...I do have pictures...I just don't have the guts to post yet  ) almost a very very firm C where it seemed to stay (I think that is my max)...the lump disappeared and turned into a mass of tissue is through most of the breast...I do also have a couple other smaller lumps which shrink and grow depending on when I am in my cycle. When I was using the internal herbs that breast became quite hard where the new tissue was. When I stopped taking herbs and "cleansed" my body, it softened up (except for a small lump) and shrank to a "B" ... this is the reason I stopped taking internals...I am now working on the other breast with externals...it is just an A still...lots of catching up...but a little lump is now forming there as well...just slower. Feel like a bit a mutant right now...sigh  ... Right now, most of the tissue looks and feels quite normal, except for one lump which is taking a bit longer to go away. Personally, I believe the lump on top was the new tissue forming, but that I also got some fibrocystic lumps as well...both are caused by "too much estrogen and prolactin". Take care, Twilightsrose |
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Post by princess26 on Jan 31, 2004 23:04:03 GMT -5
Trose,
That sounds pretty scary. The "lump" that I felt yesterday doesn't seem to be there today. Which I am hoping is a good sign. I am sorry that u had this happen to u. You said that it only affected one breast and that the other one really didn't grow...can I ask how long u were taking the internals before u started getting the lumps? Wonder why it only affected one rather than both...u would think that being that it is caused by excess estrogen/prolactin, that it would be on both breasts....
Hopefully u can gain some on the smaller side to match up!
Thanks for the insight...
Kelly
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Post by twilightsrose on Jan 31, 2004 23:21:04 GMT -5
I first started taking BE about three years ago or so...went off and on...had no idea what I was doing....definately did not know about taking breaks. Once I had done quite a bit of research, I started taking large amounts of the herbs (about what Pammy used...especially Fenugreek...I have it noted in a past message) about a year and a half ago. I think the lumps started about last February. I'm not sure when the breast reached its max size...around the summer/fall I think.
It did scare me at first...lumps would scare most people. But I have seen a doctor several times. I'm pretty sure that its because I used so much without any breaks. As Lucy says, lumps are quite common. They usually appear around age 30, but can appear as early as puberty. I took my first several month break just over the past couple months. I'm less worried since everything (most of the lumps, hardness etc) except for a good portion of the size went away when I stopped internals and did a cleanse of my system.
I'm not sure why it didn't effect both at first. During my research, I did read that it can start in one breast, but that the second breast will always catch up. Could be too many androgens, too much progesterone, less blood flow...I have no idea. Something I think might have cause it - when I did early research, it was recommended to use wild yam (they must have thought it had progesterone) to get rid of fibrocystic breasts (haha..yeah right) message and heat (bigger haha)...that was before what I know now...I think it made things bigger instead. It was the first time I used any message or external extracts.
All medical research I have read believes the cause of fibrocystic breast disorder to be "too high estrogen and prolactin levels". Especially vs. progesterone levels. Even Dr. Lee talks about it on his pro-progesterone cream website. Apparently they disappear after menopause, unless you use estrogen, which increases the risk again.
Take care,
Twilightsrose
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Post by lucille on Feb 1, 2004 0:58:07 GMT -5
Hi Twilightsrose,
Thanks for the info - it is definitely something we all need to be aware of.
So you think the danger lies in taking too much herb for too long? How much fenugreek were you taking? And this started after a couple years of on and off BE?
How large and how hard were the lumps when you started to notice them??
You said you were a very firm C? Do you think there is danger in the firmness itself? Like I said, my breasts seem to be SO firm, I just want to be sure this is OK and normal.
Soory to bombard you with all the questions! I'm excited that this is working so well for me, I just want to stay safe!
Thanks again!
Lucy
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Post by twilightsrose on Feb 1, 2004 4:54:03 GMT -5
No worries, I don't mind all the questions.
I could be very wrong about this...all I can go by is how my body has reacted to different hormone levels, different herbs/supplements. I think it is dependent on several things.
- How your body reacts to estrogen in the first place is important...I've always had sensitivity issues (eg. to the estrogen in birth control pills). Therefore, what might be a perfect dose for one person, might be too much for someone like myself.
- What your hormone levels are at to begin with.
When I first went to the doctor about the first lump (and when I first started to notice it), it felt like it was about the size of a almond. He told me I had several other lumps as well. They aren't "hard" like bone, more firm like a firm muscle - with a little give, and "mobile" in the breast like the tissue itself. Like denser clusters of the regular tissue. The lumps usually are where they sore spots are found. Right now, I only have one noticeable lump underneath my nipple, which is about the lenght of an almond (without the shell) and a little thicker. The other ones have come and gone.
The general firmness of the breast, personally, I think that is something slightly different. I think that is the breast tissue increasing its density. It can be normal to have denser levels of glandualr tissue, or very little breast tissue. Younger women usually have naturally denser breasts than older women, because the glandular tissue begins to atrophy and convert to fat once we reach a certain age. It might be more noticeable in some of us who are quite thin and have less body fat. Honestly, I have around 16% body fat. Very little fat on my body. Most of what I've gained on my larger breast is tissue - something which I had very little of to begin with. Its very easy to notice even slight changes in my breast because of this. Pregnant mothers gain denser & firmer breast tissue when their glands are getting ready to support milk (they increase in size and number) - girls going through puberty exeprience the same changes, Estrogen surges increase ductal tissue and progesterone surges increase locular tissue, and therefore, they feel firm to the touch due to the dense glandular tissue. Budding breast tissue is almost always firm, often painful, and may itch. Is this not the same effect we are causing with BE?
I don't think there is any danger in the firmness itself. It means you are probably growing. When I stopped taking internals, the firmness started to go away. When I did the estrogen cleanse, it was like my breast tissue "melted" to a degree. I think it is no different than the firmness some of us feel during luteal, or when taking birth control pills/other estrogen based contraceptives, except a bit more extreme.
Honestly, back when the one breast started to grow, I was still experimenting. I am pretty sure it was the same amounts I used in October. Its been a long time, and I wasn't really keeping track back then.
Personally, I think the fenugreek has the most potency, and the biggest effect from all the herbs. Probably because of the levels of diosgenin in it, which is know to be a growth stimulator of the mammary glands of ovariectomized mice.
This is about what I was taking.
2 x 800 mg Saw Palmetto Berry Extract 2 x per day
3 x 610 mg Fenugreek 2 x per day
3 x 575 mg Fennel 2 x per day
3 x 500 mg EPO 2 x per day
250 mg Mexican Yam Extract 2 x per day
Take care,
Twilightsrose
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Post by anita22179 on Feb 1, 2004 7:02:01 GMT -5
hi Trose,
i used BO for 2 mnths at 1800 mg, also used pregnenolone and progesterone 40 mg days 12-26 during this time along witht he massages, i got very little tingles but in both these mnths i developed lumps in my breasts, most were around the nipple region ans some elsewhere too,they were firm, painful, slightly mobile and went away with my periods. i didnt grow at all in those 2 mnths , neither got the sharp pains that growers get, but i freaked out coz of the lupms and stopped BO altogether, used only progesterone for 2 mnths coz i thought it was too much oestrogen for my system. back at that time BO also prolonged my periods to 40-43 days from the natural 35 days,in spite of prog use, i had to stop BO to get my periods. basically i am very low in progesterone and low in oestrogen too, but oestrogen dominant, so i thought even 1800 mg BO was too much even with the added progesterone. so now i am using 1500 mg of BO. but from what i read here, is it ok to go on with BO even with the lumps? i feel if i didnt stop BO for 2 mnths out of that lump scare, i might have grown. but you never know if that is fibrocystic lump or breast tissue. i never had lumps in my life apart from those 2 mnths on BO, so i was very scared and also worried abt my prolonged periods. i kept thinking if i didnt stop , i might get something else like endometriosis!
so my question is should we just ignore the lumps and continue with BO? i started BO at 1500 again on 7th jan, but havent felt anything so far.
thanks,
anita
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Post by twilightsrose on Feb 1, 2004 15:33:29 GMT -5
First, I would aways get any lumps checked by a doctor first! I'm definately not an expert - from what I have read, and have been told, yours does sound like a classic case of Cyclic mastalgia, which is something benign - especially if the lumps go and come back depending on your cycle. These usually don't become permanent (although they can -something to watch out for), and are just your body's reaction to increased estrogen levels. It is ones that stay that should be more worried about. It is the prolonged periods which I would have been concerned about, and I think you made the right choice in that case - endometriosis is a definate concern. When it comes to continuing BE despite lumps: that is your choice. However, I would not even think about that if you are growing at a smaller dose without lumps.
I have to say this again, just so there is no misunderstanding - there are many different types of lumps that can form - some are just lumps of breast tissue, some are cysts, some are tumours, some are safe, some are dangerous. I think you should base your choices on your doctor's diagnosis of what is happening to your body at the the different levels of hormones you are taking. Some changes will be permananent, some will change back.
We are playing with hormones, so there is always a certain degree of risk.
Take care,
Twilightsrose
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Post by lucille on Feb 1, 2004 20:15:29 GMT -5
Twilightsrose,
Thanks so much for your reply! I'm sorry you had to go through this. It seems a little crazy that all these BE companies don't urge caution when using their products.
Thank God I found this board, because this is the probably the only place we can get real info.
Hope you do well and reach your goals!
Lucy
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