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Post by pinkmimi on Nov 2, 2003 21:52:13 GMT -5
Hi Ladies,
I'm thinking of increasing my dose of SP. I currently take 3240mg per day. I'm not sure whether I actually need to increase it, particularly because I'm in the process of weaning myself off estrogen sources in preparation for a break, but I figured it was worth a try just to see what would happen. However, I'm wondering if it could be harmful to take more SP than I actually need? Is there a limit to how much SP one can take before there are adverse effects?
pinkmimi
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Post by mominator on Nov 2, 2003 21:55:43 GMT -5
Hi Pinkmimi, Long time no see post!  Glad you're here! ;D SP...well I had accidently went up to 6g daily for about 2 weeks, didn't notice a thing!  I believe Fawn was on 5g daily, she did notice her libido which is typically strong, was down to zilch or close So...I guess the sign of TOO much SP would be...no wantin' to be intimate. Also those with High androgens evidence by hirtuism or PCOS, should be on 4-5g daily.  Just as you are coming on break, I will be jumping back on the train.  Only 2 weeks to go:O Time sure flew! |
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Post by Wenonae on Nov 2, 2003 22:00:03 GMT -5
Pink´,
Yeah, Fawn and others had a good discussion on MSN. Hope Fawn, just back in on this one, but as Momi´said, when u feel a serious loss in libido, then u need to back off.
Even though I wasn´t high androgens, I was still on 4.2g´s of SP berries to help slow hair growth. Between 3.5 and 4.2g´s, not much difference observed. However, I will say, it takes a long time to ´saturate´the system, so if ur break is only 1-2 mos, it´s prolly easier to stay on, then re-build for two mos when u come back.
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Post by pinkmimi on Nov 2, 2003 22:10:17 GMT -5
Oh, wow, I already noticed a loss in libido at my current dose, and here I thought it was due to the introduction of the PR-blockers! I wonder if 3240mg could really be too high? I don't think my androgens are terribly high, but I usually have some mild premenstrual acne, which was almost absent this month. I did not notice any change in hair growth. Maybe I should back off to 2000mg or thereabouts. Wishful me, I was kind of hoping I might see a burst of growth if I added more SP!  But the reality is that I probably just need to keep lowering my estrogen and then see what a break will do. pinkmimi |
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Post by Wenonae on Nov 2, 2003 22:16:44 GMT -5
High PR-blockers AND high SP could be ur problem. Fawn´s detailed it nicely, but using layman´s terms...libido is a mix of testosterone and progesterone. Ur blocking both with SP AND PR-blockers. So, yeah...moderate SP ANF try no PR-blockers and just BO this time..see what happens. Keep that estrogen the same! Temporary loss is ok, but it doesn´t necessarily have to go..mine´s great. |
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Post by fawnmarie on Nov 2, 2003 23:54:18 GMT -5
I noticed a drop in libido at about 7 grams.
I'm not sure if that's a sign that you need to back down - it may just be one of those things you need to "live with".
Although it's not normally a fun thing, it could be that one needs to go that far to make progress.
Fawn
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Post by mommabean on Nov 3, 2003 7:43:27 GMT -5
Isn't it funny how Bob always said it was so important to have a high libido in order to grow. He used to say that there was no point in trying BE without getting the libido up there first. BE seems to be a world of contradictions.
Yeah, like being sex crazed like a man will help us grow boobs. I never did get that one.
Mommabean
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Post by mominator on Nov 3, 2003 10:04:16 GMT -5
You crack me up! I always wondered that myself does he have cycles, does he truly understand CRAMPS!  Luteal swellling!  Just to a list a few. Well at least he tries and I believe his intentions are good.
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Post by fawnmarie on Nov 3, 2003 11:00:40 GMT -5
Isn't it funny how Bob always said it was so important to have a high libido in order to grow. He used to say that there was no point in trying BE without getting the libido up there first. BE seems to be a world of contradictions. Mommabean Well, I think Bob is working on the basis that testosterone will aromatize to estrogen. Which normally is true with women. However, there are a few caveats - that being that testosterone aromatizes in fatty tissues, and if you are low bodyfat (which some of us are), then you may not have enough to make that big of a difference. Also - sometimes it just doesn't work that way. For example, the whole thing about thyroid and body temps. Testosterone needs to be at a higher temperature to aromatize as well, so temps are important, too. About these things, Bob is completely right. Now... that being said - there's the DHEA thing. Girls who develop larger have higher levels of DHEA DURING PUBERTY. Older women often just get hairer and more ticked off. The problem with using "precursors" is that the conditions required for them to "curse" into what we want is a very difficult balancing act. Girls during puberty also have higher levels of IGF, too, which is directly related to breast growth (and size). That also being said - if testosterone is converting to estrogen properly, libido would STILL be low. If whatever you're taking to increase testosterone gives you a higher sex drive, it is probably NOT converting to estrogen, because high (or dominant) estrogen levels can kill sex drive. |
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Post by mommabean on Nov 3, 2003 14:27:39 GMT -5
I think if the conditions are right to "curse" hormones into growth...I'd be the winner in the boob dept. I can "curse" my hormones to high heaven! I don't think I did a great job of explaining that little joke but I think you can figure it out. But on a serious note, Bob never did seem to take women and their more emotional response to situations into consideration when he thinks of sex drive. Hormone levels can be ripe for libido but life situations can definitely put a damper on any feelings. Body heat or not. But I think you know that. Mommabean |
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Post by fawnmarie on Nov 3, 2003 16:00:41 GMT -5
I think if the conditions are right to "curse" hormones into growth...I'd be the winner in the boob dept. I can "curse" my hormones to high heaven! Mommabean I hear ya, sister! Anyway - well, ya know - WE know that hormones don't always do what we want them to do, and shoving more of them into our bodies isn't always the way to go! And I don't think libido is any indicator of success - some of the bustiest women I know have little to none, so there ya go. And I don't thing 28 day cycles have anything to do with it, either. |
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Post by mommabean on Nov 3, 2003 16:26:03 GMT -5
haha, now that you mention it...I know a woman who really wants to have breast reduction. She can't stand her giant sized breasts and has had pain from them. She also has expressed a complete lack of interest in sex. She told me once that it's one thing she can definitely do without.
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Post by pinkmimi on Nov 5, 2003 17:39:42 GMT -5
Thanks for your replies, everyone. |
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