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[summerlove]

I can't believe I'm saying this, but I am on the verge of getting breast implants. But I really really don't want to, but I will have breasts.

I am 18 almost 19, 5'5 and 114 pounds. I have been on Wonder Breast since July 4, 2003. IT HASN'T WORKED. NO TINGLES NO NOTHING. I had a problem with my periods, I would spot so Bob recommened Progesterone Creme. I have been using it since September and my periods have been mostly regular, on days 12-26 I apply. I take my protein shakes and vitamins-now I'm on

2 EPO
2Flaxseed oil
3 WB pills

(but the lady who sells WB reccomends taking 2 L-tyrosine too)

I used to take WB three times a day with a meal, but now the lady from the company told me to take it all together with a protein shake, at least 2 hours after eating a meal and not to eat a meal again untill 2 hours from taking the pills.**(she said the food was interfering with the pills, and this works better) So for the past month I've been doing that.

Nothing is working, I do have some breast tissue, I'm not completly flat, so I don't know what else to do.

Ladies if you could please can some time and help me, I don't want implants, but I do and I will have breasts, please help me.

[princess26]

Hey Summer,
All I can say is implants are a personal choice. I think that u and only u can make that decision. I am sorry that u have had such bad luck with BE thus far.
Have u thought about trying BO instead of herbs? Everyone is different and maybe u would have better success doing the BO route...or maybe trying another product if sticking with herbs. I don't know alot about the WB line, as far as what all are in their pills...but I just can't see how taking all the days pills at one time could do much good. I could be totally wrong, but given all the information I have gotten from this board alone, there are so many posts that say to spread the pills out 3-4 times a day. I am just wondering why this company would tell u to take them all at once. I would be leary of that myself.
If u are gonna get the implants, that decision should be made for the right reasons and make sure that this is something that u really want to do. Plus the fact that u are still so young...why not wait it out and see what happens over the next few years? I have known more than a few people who "blossomed" after the age of 20. Just a thought....whatever u decide, make sure that it is gonna make U happy and think it thru.
Check all the options available. Hopefully someone else can offer some sound advice, or maybe some insight that can lead u in the direction of something that may work better for u.
Hang in there!!!!
,
Kelly

[princess26]

One more thing....there is a thread, TIPS and TRICKS, read thru it...there's something in there that says to take herbs on an empty stomach. And that u can eat 20 minutes after taking the pills...
Also, are u doing any type of massage? Just wonderin'...
Kelly

[Shaz]

I had implants and had them removed after 4 years because I could never get used to them. I wish that I had done a lot more research and perhaps even had counseing before I had them. I'm sure that they are right for some people, but you need to be 100% sure that you are one of those people before you go ahead.

Do as much research as possible. Realise that the before/after pictures in magazines are the BEST pictures they have because they are selling the operation to you. Look on the internet - there are sites that show realistic photos - some good, some bad. Many people have problems and require further surgery. Even the ones who have a good result (like I did) don't really look or feel natural, so be prepared for that. And be prepared to be able to talk to future boyfriends about it.

Know that they won't last forever, and that even if you have the best result you could want, you will still need further surgery at some point. It is a life-long commitment. If you decide (like I did) that you don't want them anymore, you will have some sagging because the skin stretches to accomodate the impants.

I'm not trying to put you off. I really believe that many people like having implants and get a really big confidence boost, prefer how they look in clothes, feel sexier etc. But I am pointing these things out because I wish that someone had for me.

Don't give up on BE (herbs or BO) before learning as much as you can to find a routine that has the most chance of working.

Also, if you have small breasts and aren't completely flat chested, try to like yourself the way you are (I'm trying to do this too!)

[Shaz]

Also, progesterone may be hampering your results. People here have had results by actually blocking progesterone. Read around this site.

[marshall97]

Summer....
What are your stats (your measurements)?
M97

[fawnmarie]

Summer,

Like you, I'm not totally flat either.

But I will give you advice about WB and "BO" use.

1. You aren't taking enough. I believe 3 WB pills = 1500 mgs of BO. I didn't have any progress until I took 2400 mgs per day.

2. Stop buying from WB - $150+ a month is ridiculous. I sell BO pills at my website for about $5 a bottle that lasts about a week. That's about $25 per month. I'm currently running a special that makes it even cheaper. See the thread "Alert for BO Users" on this forum and contact me.

3. She may be right about the l'tyrosine - but you need to check your temps for several days first. Take your temps three times per day over three days. Average it out. If you are averaging under 97.8, then start with ONE l'tyrosine caplet first thing in the morning before eating. Take for five days and then recheck your temperatures. If you are still low, take another l'tyrosine in the early afternoon on an empty stomach (wait 1/2 hour to eat). TOO much l'tyrosine can cause anxiety attacks, panic attacks and shakes. So, you need to titrate up slowly. Women with hypothyroid symptoms or thyroid resistance (PCOS) can take about 1500 - 2000 mgs per day, but it has to be titrated slowly (five days for each 500 mgs). You can buy l'tyrosine at my website, too.

4. Bob may be right about the progesterone, but sometimes it can slow things down. Try reducing use to days 21-28.

5. If you are eating a high-fiber diet, then yes, food could be interfering with your assimilation of the BO.

6. Make sure you are NOT using soy shakes or soy products of ANY kind - they interfere with BO.

7. My recommendation is that you up your dosage to 2200+ mgs per day, taken with a high protein snack, spread out over 4 doses during the day. If you have WB left, use 4 pills 4 times per day. If you feel NO itches or tingles or gain nothing after one whole month, then up it to 2500 mgs. Make sure you take ONE dose within 2 hours of going to bed.

If you have no WB pills left - contact me for pricing of Vitamin Power BO supplements. (Like I said - about $25-$30 per month, depending on dosage.)

8. You may need to add saw palmetto to reduce the affects of any testosterone you're producing. I do sell saw palmetto, but it's cheaper at Walmart. Take 2,000 mgs per day, on an empty stomach, split over 3 or 4 doses.

8. For more tips and tricks, browse this discussion group and check out the information at my website at www.botanicalbeautylab.com

That's just the basic stuff - if you have any other issues or tweaks that need to happen, let us know.

Fawn

[Wenonae]

Summerlove-

To Fawn's point 7., that's 1pill 4X's a day..which will put you at 2400mg. If you have to take a bunch at a time (like 2 WB pills)..make it your dose b4 bedtime to take advantage of HGH levels which are higher during the first 90min of sleep (interesting med research papers which speaks to this)

You also may want to (since your're using progesterone cream) use a PR-blocker of some type. There's an awesome link the Medical Research section which details herbs which help to block progesterone naturally. Progesterone prevents the accumulation of fats in the body, especially where we want it most.

I've had great success with oreganoa and damiana myself while using BO (WB, DNE, and VP). I didn't really retain any size until then. I had/have a lot of the synthetic form of progesterone in my system due to BC. However, I will say, that before using PR-blockers I had sensations and growth..which apparently was all glandular, due the high progesterone in my system.

Make sure your diet is protein-rich (shakes or no shakes) by limiting carbs, especially in your last meal.

Oregano and damiana can be found in pill form for reasonable at [ftp]www.vitacost.com[/ftp] and [ftp]www.betterlife.com[/ftp]. I've had good service with them.

Don't forget to massage..this will raise the prolactin in your boobies and allow you to better store fats from the estrogen in your system. There are several threads on that here.

Tweek your regime a little bit and see what happens after two cycles. Still no sensations or no measurable growth..there's always herbs to try. Keep a daily diary to help you understand where and what ur feeling. When you tweak something..do only one thing at a time so you can better understand what's helping.

Good luck!

[summerlove]

First of all thanks so much for replying everyone, it is very much appreciated.

Princess- I am on BO but thanks so much for the HOPE!
And yes I massage oil on my breasts followed by the heat pad for about 15 minutes.

Shaz- It was so nice to hear from someone who had implants, thank you for the great information.

Marshall- my measurement are 33-24-36

Wenonae- Thanks for the information on a PR blocker! (I'm glad you've retained size:)

Fawn-Thank-you for all the information you gave me. I have now increased my doseage of WB (I have a whole 3 month supply left, but after I will buy from you, thanks for the money saving tip!!)
I am starting tomorrow to take my temp.
I'm not using Anything soy.

Fawn this whole BE process does confuse me, and I'm not sure if or what I should take. You mention saw palmetto, the l-tyrosine, a PR Blocker and I'm already takeing WB EPO and flax seed oil. Oh I just don't want to do anything wrong, I just don't know why I don't feel anything. Any I'm not sure 'when' to take all of this. Together, some at morning, maybe the PR blocker at night. You know??

*What would you recommend I do and take right now???

??And you would NOT recommend taking all pills together with a protein shake?? The lady at WB says food interactes with the pills, but she also said to just take 2 pills per day too. They used to say to take 3 pills each with a meal...see how confused I am??

[marshall97]

Sorry for the extra question. I asked the wrong one before (I was wanting under bust and bust measurements). I guess what I'm asking is your cup size to start with before BE.
M97

[Wenonae]

Summerlove-

WB used to only have 200mg caplets..so u needed 3 pills for each dose. Now, they are having u take 2 600mg pills at once, for a total of 1200mg.

Yes, it's ok to take your BO with food or protein shake. Helps keep stomach from being upset, and doesn't affect it's absorbtion into the system.

EPO and flax seed oils aren't 'needed' for NBE. Just helps make ur system more efficient. Keep an eye out if your period changes all of a sudden..could be the EPO/estrogen mix not working.

Also, SP or any herbs should be taken on an empty tummy (30 min b4 eating or 2-3hours later). L-tyro really helps those with hypothyroidism, a usual indicator is lowered temps < 97degF. Measure temps for a few days first thing in the morn..if ur average is lower..u may be a candidate. It's not MANDATORY for BE.

SP is a value-add..help block DHT androgens..which can block estrogen's progress in storing fats.

[fawnmarie]

Summer,

I thought WB was 500 mgs, but I think that's UB or DNA brand...

Anyway - yes, you might need as much as 2400 mgs per day. Nothing ever happened for me unless I stayed at a higher dose. And you DO want to spread it out throughout the day. Estrogen has about a 4 hour half life in the body, and you want to keep your estrogen levels more consistant. You can take them with protein or fat, but NOT with a lot of fiber (i.e. roughage, lots of salads or raw vegetables, etc.). Dietary fiber can prevent the digestion and assimiliation of many nutrients, so rather than taking it with meals, take it as a snack with the shake or a piece of cheese or meat, instead. Yes - this will mean adding 4 small snacks, so make sure you compensation by reducing the size of your regular meals.

L'tyrosine is only needed if you have slow thyroid. I've discussed how to check it above. Sometimes BO lowers thyroid function, and many women suffer from it normally. So, it's something to look out for.

I don't recommend immediately adding progesterone blockers unless you are on a progestin type birth control.

Personally, I haven't found that EPO or flax do anything for BE. EPO can help reduce the benign lumps that develop in the breasts from too much estrogen. It's also a good carrier oil for home made lotions and is good for massage.

Flax can help your body process body and dietary fats, and it's more of a "weight control" supplement than for BE. I'm not sure how it got added to the protocol.

Right now, just check your temps and up your BO doses and spread them out and take them with a protein snack. See if anything happens in the next month or so at a higher dose. Actually if you are due to have your period soon, take the first two days off of ALL supplements and then go to a higher dose.

Sometimes a couple days off resensitizes the receptors.

Fawn

[Wenonae]

UB= 450mg BO + ?Isoflavones
DNE= 500mg BO

[summerlove]

Fawn I just got over my period, should I still take a day or two off??

Oh and for the measurements I need to ask my mom where the tape measure is when she gets home, thanks!