Cat's routine

[cat]

Hi,

After making a few adjustments, I started my routine about a month ago. I ramped up every herb. It looks as follows:

3 x SP (500 mg) = 1500 mg / day
3 x FG (500 mg) = 1500 mg / day
3 x RC (500 mg) = 1500 mg / day
2 x EPO (500 mg) = 1000 mg / day
1 x L-tyrosine (500 mg) = 500 mg /day

Massage morning and night with fennel extract (only thing i could find)

Is L-tyrosine at such low dose useful for growth ? I had some at home, I thought I would add it since it is often found in BE pills.

Wahaika (if ever you are reading this):

Although you seem not to like red clover in routines, how can you explain its effectiveness for BE experienced by many women ? Growth would've been triggered by other compounds included in the routine ? Placebo effect ? What do you think about its progesterone-inhibiting qualities ?

No itch, no pain yet. I will increase the doses in a few weeks.
Stay tuned

[cat]

I have modified my routine:

I dropped RC and increased saw palmetto:

AM: FG (500) SP (1000) EPO (1000)
PM: FG (500) SP (1000)
Before bed : FG (500) SP (1000) EPO (1000)

Total (mg) daily
FG (1500)
SP (3000)
EPO (2000)

I will add wild yam that i will dose like FG.
Still doing the massages twice a day.

Wahaika: never mind the RC question, I 've read enough about it! Also, if I were to add GABA, how much should I add and when (before bed?)

Being an A cup, I don't want to stall. However, it's been a month without growth nor pains. I want to ramp up but I don't know at what speed.

Can I increase FG by 500 mg daily, 1 week at a time? E.g.

Currently: 1500 mg/d
week 1: 2000 mg/d
week 2: 2500 mg/d
week 3: 3000 mg/d

or should I wait 1 month between each step up ?

[cat]

It's the end of my second month.
My breasts were sore before my periods but now I don't feel anything different. Though, they had never hurt ever before in my life so I was excited about that.

No growth, no pains...

I am up to 3 g FG, 3 g YW and 3 g of SP daily.
I take EPO sometimes and omega-3 sometimes.
I started low doses of GABA (400-500 mg) before bed. It's very expensive so I don't think I will continue taking it.

I don't know if it is because I am very tall and therefore need higher doses, or if I stalled 2 months ago (I don't think so because I started really low on the FG...). In any case, I am not seeing growth.

I am bit disillusioned ... i will stay patient.

[flatmama]

Hi Cat,
I think I read somewhere in this board that growth takes longer for those that haven't had any children, so try to stay patient....don't quote me on that though....
We have similiar stats except that I've had 2 children so I really hope this works for you! Good Luck!!!

[cat]

Thank you
I wish you the same !

[flatmama]

Are you still experiencing nothing? Have you had any swelling or shrinkage at all?

I really wish I knew more about this so I could help you out more, but I'm also new at this and just starting out. Hopefully the more experienced BE'ers will stop by and help you out. When i ramp, I stick with one dose for a few days to judge how it effects my body. I think some people can tell earlier how it's effecting them. In my opinion, just go with what your body tells you is okay or not and adjust as necessary....sometimes that could be ramping up, sometimes ramping down.
Also, I noticed on your stats page that you just have measurements for top, fullest, and under the bust. You might want to try other measurements too like from nipple down to the crease and across each breast. The breast are suppose to fill in the bottom first and it could be happening but you won't notice any growth around the fullest part, yet....just an idea.
I am wide at my rib cage so my breasts are too and even during my swelling I can't see a differnce but I'm measuring a difference, especially from the nipple down.
Probably not much help and I will delete this if you want me to, just let me know. Like I said, I'm new and don't know much.
Good Luck!

[Wenonae]

May 27, 2008 13:06:29 GMT -5 cat said:

It's the end of my second month.
My breasts were sore before my periods but now I don't feel anything different. Though, they had never hurt ever before in my life so I was excited about that.

No growth, no pains...

I am up to 3 g FG, 3 g YW and 3 g of SP daily.
I take EPO sometimes and omega-3 sometimes.
I started low doses of GABA (400-500 mg) before bed. It's very expensive so I don't think I will continue taking it.

I don't know if it is because I am very tall and therefore need higher doses, or if I stalled 2 months ago (I don't think so because I started really low on the FG...). In any case, I am not seeing growth.

I am bit disillusioned ... i will stay patient.

Eeks..if you've ramped up to 3g's and don't feel a THING..then either you need much higher doses (NOT! unless you know this for fact) or you're on all the wrong things.

Best time to ramp is during follicular and only add one pill atta time.
It really seems that you'll respond better to DGL Licorice and fennel in low doses.

On a 6 month regimen ramp the DGL LR from 400mg to 1500mg over 3 months. hold at 1500 rest of 3 months. Ramp fennel from 500mg to 2000mg over 2 months. Change dose at beginning follicular.

G'luck!
Wen'

[cat]

I've read side effects on licorice and i have to admit that i am a little scared to take it.
however, i have decided to take fennel instead of fenugreek and will decrease the dose
considerably.

i will ramp up fennel and continue taking SP (1500 mg/daily)

i really wish i can find something that works for me.
i have a really fast metabolism and not much fat... it seems like i could be estrogen-deficient since i never had pms and i don't store fat like some women do. i don't know for sure, it's just a thought.

thank you for the support, i really appreciate it !

[Wahaika]

Hello cat,

Wow, I really dropped the ball. Sorry about that. I didn't see this until late last night.

The answer on GABA is that you don't need it until you are older and your GH production needs a boost. I would say that you are better off with exercise. Avoid carbs at night before bed.

Wahaika