Want to start a routine

[az]

I haven't done anything for BE for a super long time, and want to start again. As much as I have read on this board, I am still confused, so can someone give me a little advice?? I would very much appreciate it! Here is my "body description"

Height: 5'4
Weight: Fluctuates from 95-100 lbs. ( I am a good eater, just have a super high metabolism.
Bra Size: I am currently around a 32A...but my size does fluctuate with hormones

I have had 2 miscarriages which were contributed to the fact that I am factor 5 heterozygous. I'm not on any meds for that as of right now, but could be depending on what the doctor suggests.
I have done a body cleanse using an herbal tea recommended by a midwife. So I am interested in going up to a size B...that is all. Last year I ordered some herbs from Greenbush which are: Fenugreek , Wild Yam, and I also bought Evening Primrose Oil, Saw Palmetto, and Flax Oil. I kind of played around with them for a few weeks, but didn't get anywhere cause I found out shortly after that I was pregnant with my first baby. After losing that baby, I tried doing just massages, and didn't gain a whole lot with that. I was a little nervous about going right back to the herbs cause my body was hit really hard with the miscarriage. So I haven't put much effort into the whole BE thing...mainly cause of my 2 pregnancies, and lack of time last year.But I would like to try to now.
What would be a good routine for me? I know there is no magic pill for gaining, and some women never see results, but if there is an easy, painless way for me to gain I'm definitely going to try. Thanks!

az

I should add too that it was suggested by a midwife that I use progesterone cream from day 11-28 because my periods were super long...sometimes almost 2 weeks. And I was losing a looottt of hair. Not sure if that is something I should continue if I'm going to start a routine

[az]

Does anybody have advice???

[Wahaika]

Hello az,

My first question would be - What is "factor 5 heterozygous?"

How much time has passed since your last miscarriage?

Wahaika

[az]

Factor 5 heterozygous causes my blood to clot abnormally. It is genetic and treatable with either aspirin or medication. There are 2 forms of this abnormality and mine is the one that causes the least complications. It can cause complications with pregnancies, that is usually how it is detected, like in my case. I wasn't even tested for it until after my second miscarriage.
My last miscarriage was in October of last year.
Thanks for your reply Wahaika!!!

az

[Wahaika]

Did factor 5 heterozygous cause your miscarriage or something else?

[az]

My doctor said they are pretty sure that my blood clotting thing is what cause the miscarriages. They did a whole bunch of lab tests on me and nothing but that showed up as being abnormal. I have absolutely no problem getting pregnant either. Both babies were a total surprise, so it's not like we have to try for months to get pregnant.

[Wahaika]

I am really concerned about recommending something for you. Estrogen makes blood clots worse. A successful BE routine is going to mess with your estrogen levels. HRT is terrible for blood clots.

Are they localized or everywhere? The reason I ask is that you could do a massage routine as a happy medium, but if blood clots are really systemic, then it might not be a good idea.

I would really feel better if you ran all of this by your doctor before beginning. After reading up on this I am not of the opinion that it is a good idea.

Wahaika

[az]

Thanks for your reply Wahaika. The blood clots that I have are not a problem that I deal with on a regular basis. It isn't something that will cause strokes, or heart attacks, like other similar blood clotting disorders can cause. The only complication it causes are miscarriages, as far as I know and that is because the disorder is what complicates the pregnancy due to increased blood flow to the baby. That is why I was tested to begin with. So as far as I know, there is no other way I would have known that I had this had I not lost 2 babies. I will be seeing a doctor in a couple weeks and see what he says about it. I know there are definitely very dangerous strains of this disorder, even to the point of being life-threatening, but as far as what my doctor says, the level of my disorder won't affect my daily life, just pregnancy. Thanks again!

[az]

I have one more question that I forgot to ask. You mentioned in your last post that I could just do massages. How effective have those proven to be? I would be willing to do just this if it will prove to be somewhat helpful. Thanks for all your help!

[Wahaika]

I think this is the best one:

One batch to keep on hand: (all caps are gel caps)
1/2 cup Olive Oil + 1/2 cup Fenugreek + 24 (1000mg) Borage Oil Caps +12 Vitamin E caps steeped for one week minimum before first use. (The longer the better)

Get 2 8oz containers, preferably dark glass bottles. Steep (soak/let sit in a dark cool place like a closet) one while using the other.

Shake well.
Apply heat from a heated pad set to low for 5 minutes.
Massage in about a teaspoon or two each side.
Cover with saran wrap.
Apply heat for 15 more minutes from a heated pad set to low.
Leave on all night if possible.

Do this every night. Do this each day if possible making a total of two massages per day. If the above is too messy, you can also use Greenbush fenugreek extract and aloe vera gel.

DMSO can also be used in place of aloe vera gel, but there are rules for using it. The skin must be completely clean before beginning including soap residue. Start with ONE DROP. Two drops total would be a good average. Four drops total is a definite maximum and takes time to work up to. Not everyone can handle 4 drops.


See also:

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Wahaika

[az]

Thanks for the boobie batter recipe. I have tried just massages before, that is actually what I am doing now. Last year when Grow Yours was looking for candidates to give their routines a try I volunteered for that, but my life got super super busy so I could never devote time to it like I should have. I did notice a little bit of fullness, kind of like how I am now when I massage, but I'm not sure how I will get a full cup size out of this. Will the boobie batter help with that, just by adding herbs to the massage? Also, I have fenugreek capsules already, so do I just open them up and add the powder to a liquid? Sorry, I'm a little dumb to all of this stuff. It is overwhelming to read all of the other girls' routines and what they are doing, then try to figure out what, if anything, is best for yourself. Thanks again for all your help and for your time!

[Wenonae]

This post is based on this thread:

Here's my recoo's for a regimen for you..
Ramp RC from 500mg to 2500mg RC over 4 months taking one dose at nite before bed (1.5-2hrs after dinner). Keep at 2500mg for another 2 months.

Keep steady amount of sheep sorrel in your system (1 cap a day for first month, then every other day after that). This will help keep you to keep any bad multiplications of fat cells at bay. Honestly after doing a cursory search on the sites I normally buy from, it'll prolly be simpler to get bulk powder from http:.//www.mountainroseherbs.com and take two pinches in 1/4 cup of water (you can put on your tongue, but it'll prolly take vile. With the water, at least you can take it like a shot). You can make capsules...but takes time (although it's not too bad). I like the Capsule Machine and the "0" size.

Massage- don't bother until Month 4. By then, your system should be able to handle it AND it will help your BE. Do 75 rotations inward at nite before bed.

On this 6 months regimen, expect sensations starting about Month 3 and at it's end you should have 2cups worth of permanent fat cells in your breasts (only 0.75cups will be filled though). After you get off the BE pills (at the end of your period), keep a balanced diet and over the next 3 months 1.25 cups should come in.

G'luck
Wen'

[Wahaika]

az,

>>"Will the boobie batter help with that, just by adding herbs to the massage? "

The purpose of massage was never to produce prolactin. Massage in and of itself does not produce prolactin. Nipple stimulation does and therefore prolactin response is a by product (sometimes) of massage. The purpose of massage has always been to get herbs down into the breast where they can dock with receptor sites at the cellular level. This is done by using a carrier such as olive oil and/or other oils that have estrogenic properties such as EPO and Borage.

>>"Also, I have fenugreek capsules already, so do I just open them up and add the powder to a liquid?"

Yes, but it is best to do it in bulk and let it sit (steep) in a dark cool closet somewhere for at least a week. This allows the herbs to seep out into the oil and be more useful.

...and if you are going to start up on Red Clover internally, (this is a mistake in your case, in my estimation) you might as well add blessed thistle to the sheep sorrel. Perhaps these things will help offset the clots and perhaps not.

I maybe differ from some opinions as I am not willing to take the chance of inadvertently recommending a path that could lead to more blood clots. Health overrules boobs every time in my book. But maybe I am too cautious. This is why you should read up on everything you are recommended - so that you can make an informed choice rather than rely solely on the opinions of others.

Wahaika

[az]

Hi Wahaika! Thanks for your reply! I do agree with you that you have to be very careful before just jumping into doing BE before you have researched everything. I am doing my best to get as much info as I can before, and if, I decide to do a routine. I would obviously prefer this over other alternatives that are out there, so I want to read as much as I can on it.
I do have a few questions for you if you don't mind. You mentioned that you wouldn't suggest me using red clover....what concerns do you personally have about me using this herb? This herb was actually recommended to me by a midwife a few months ago as a way to counteract any blood clots that I have without damaging my stomach by taking aspirin every day. I never knew that it could be used as a way to gain breast size....I have talked to my doctor about my blood clotting issues, and right now he won't put me on any medication just because the dangers of me actually having clots that are life threatening are very slim right now. He only suggested that should I get pregnant, obviously, I would have to be closely monitored because hormones during pregnancy can increase the chances of forming clots. So with all that, I am still undecided as to what to do. Just to gain your opinion on this, should I decide to do a routine, what other herbs would you suggest, or not suggest me using? I am asking this so I can research the herbs that may have been recommended to me before I might start trying them. Thanks for all your help!! I really appreciate it!

[Wenonae]

Az-

Red clover is a herb which can help with female hormonal health. Once your hormonal health is improved, typcially luxury items like breasts then can grow. The net result is that RC is a 'BE' herb, but it's only because breasts come afterwards.

Wen'