Please Read! Herbalist Bashing Flat2Fab & Other BE

[Tweety]

Please check out this website, the question about breast enhancement about four questions down the page. You'll have to cut & paste link into your browser because I can get the hyperlink to include the last few words (the ones in black)

www.herbnet.com/ask%20the%20herbalist/asktheherbalist_questions%20on%20women's%20issues.htm

I've just started using Flat2Fab and this is very discouraging. She says that even if the herbs do make your breasts grow, they will go back to normal when you stop using the herbs. Is there any truth in this, or is she just shooting from the hip (a lot of proffessionals have pretty strong opinons)?

How long have you all been using the herbs, and have any of you stopped for a period of time and retained your growth? Any input would be greatly appreciated!

[zanyzara]

I think a lot of these so called professionals have not had direct experience with BE and have not seen or done any real trails themselves, its just their opinion.
I do think though before you go on BE that you do your research and find out what best works for you, there is a lot of information on this forum.

There are plenty of testimonies on this forum of people who have had success with growth and kept it. See below for one
beboard.proboards23.com/index.cgi?board=Routines&action=display&thread=1067723277

The good thing about this forum is that the women on here are not promoting a particular product, so it is an open an honest forum.

I have not been long myself on BE and I know it will not be a quick thing to see results but one thing that keeps me motivated is the positive testimonies on people that have results.

[Tweety]

Here is what she says in case you're having trouble with the link:

BREAST ENHANCEMENT
QUESTION: I'm interested in the use of herbs for natural breast enlargement. I found a program at www.flat2fab.com that uses fenugreek, red clover & saw palmetto pills, and massages with fenugreek extract, licorice root, and hops extract. Have you heard of anyone having success with herbal breast enlargement? Thanks.

ANSWER: I personally hate these type of products. They give herbs and herbalists a bad name. The herbs you described have estrogenic properties. What's actually happening to you is similar to what happens when you're pregnant. Your breasts swell because of the hormones. It can cause an unbalance in the hormone levels which could lead to other issues. The problem is, 9 times out of 10, once you stop taking these "miracle products", your breasts return to their original size. So you have to commit to taking this stuff forever! Great gig for the company, and they make plenty of money doing it, but a lousy thing to do to women in my opinion.

What do you all make of this?!

[Tweety]

Thank you zanyzara I agree with you that because they haven't tried and don't really know for sure, it's safer to say it doesn't work. What she may not know is that Lucy (Flat2Fab) is a herbalist as well who has tried it, so HAH! I've been encouraged by the results I've seen on here and testimonials. And you made a good point that no one is on here trying to sell anything. It's simply FYI.

[idontmeasureup]

OMG! That lady really published that. I'm not yanking anyone's chains, but I was the one that wrote that question, not kidding. Another giveaway its me is I always use "&" instead of "and". After I found Flat2Fab, I wanted to write to some herbalists & show them the link & see what they thought. That lady was the only one I heard back from. I remember her personally emailing me & saying that thing about "it gives herbalists a bad name", we wrote several emails back & forth that same day & she did finally concede that herbs were far better than implants. I read some of the other things on her site, what a bunch of BS...I'm tired of the naysayers, some people on here are getting results. Of course they're gonna have a negative attitude b/c:

1. They haven't tried it personally &

2. Everyone is so afraid of lawsuits that they don't want to be giving out "medical advice" even if its dealing with herbs. I wrote to a ton of herbalists that either never wrote back or referred me to some commercial formula they were selling on their site.

[Tweety]

That's cool! Small world...
Good point about the lawsuits and not knowing for sure. I wish people weren't beyond saying they don't know if in fact they don't. Glad we got this website with all the different feedback from people who personally experienced this stuff!

[idontmeasureup]

Its a small world for sure! But I've met some really awesome people in my quest for bigger boobs . When we ask our Dr's about whether NBE works or not, they are only giving us their OPINION, what they think, about the topic. They are not basing it on any medical/scientific proof b/c as far as I know, there is none. I believe the women on this board that have firsthand experience before I'd believe my Dr. who is just pulling an idea out of her a$$. We are the pioneers in this field for sure. Good luck to you!

[Melo]

Whether the herbalist is really who she claims she is or not (you know the anonymity of being online...), I don't blame her for saying that herbal breast enlargement does not really work because there is NO proof that it works or not. That being said, you can't really say "it works" or "it doesn't work" without having any proof behind your words. Here's my opinion: I'm not really sure about the effectiveness of natural breast enlargement, but if it DID work, it would work only for SOME people, NOT for everyone. I've never personally met anyone in real life who has had success with natural breast enlargement methods. But I'm glad that we have these NBE forums where we can post our experiences. This makes me mad--why don't they do any scientific/medical trials on natural breast enlargement or any other "alternative" health method for that matter? There are people buying into these products and methods, and I think it's worth looking into the effectiveness of these products for the sake of these people's health.

Cya!
~Melo~

[Wenonae]

'Alternative' methods like herbs aren't seriously persued for studies because they can not be patented and somebody can grow it on their yard. It's more polictically driven vs. health driven. Greed drives it vs. heart-felt desires. Just my thoughts.

Wen'

[naturalmama]

Hope this isn't TMI, but I just wanted to share since that "herbalist" said NBE doesn't work. I've been doing the NBE thing for almost a month. My husband has absolutely no idea what I'm up to and while we were being intimate the other night, he commented how my breasts seem bigger....I didn't say anything (just smiled to myself)...but that's proof to me that it does work. I can't speak to keeping the changes/growth after stopping herbs, but I know w/o a doubt that it's doing something for me now.

[charlysays]

well done u naturalmama! it's great to hear things are progressing for u. i think positive thought is really important when on NBE, and maybe it won't work for all of us, but hey-at least we're taking positive steps and not just sitting on our asses winging about small boobs! happy growing!

[HoneeBee]

If that lady is bashing Flat 2 Flab then she is bashing this forum and all the other NBe forum that have spend years doing their own research, tested their own routines too. the herbalist does not know what she is talking about and should be more open minded about NBE. It seems to be working for some women and unless she decided to do her on study to prove NBE false then she really has nothing much to say.

[idontmeasureup]

Exactly how I feel. I was the one that wrote the question to her. If she has never tested NBE, then she is giving only her opionion based on what she THINKS might happen. She doesnt' have any hard data to back up her opinion. I emailed back & forth to her, unfortunately, this was back in June that I wrote to her I think so I don't have the mails anymore, but she finally did say that if I was considering implants that herbs are by far better than surgery. You'd think an herbalist would do a study just for grins.

[Wenonae]

Real studies cost a lot of money and time. And since even herbalists don't really 'know' that NBE'll work, it's more than likely that they will not pursue it. It's really only on this and maybe another forum that NBE is really 'acknowledged' beyond a commercial site. After all the digging by those really passionate about the subject (including urs truly), it's amazingly tricky to try to predict performance based on rat-data, body shape, and general genetic history. Yeah, we could prolly get one done for women who grow naturally to get a base-line (what their hormones are, etc), but to know exactly what it takes for anyone else to get there without a ton of side effects, is daunting task for even the intelligent, desiring scientist I'm thinking. Who'd really bother when there's a breast surgeon who can get the job done?

Wen'

[fawnmarie]

It's a bit difficult to do 'rat-studies' indeed. Since we're the only mammals that have any kind of completely useless fats around our mammary glands, it's a bit difficult to test on animals. Rodents only develop fat pads when they're actually nursing.

Closest we would come to is cows, who have udders that seem to be a stable fat pad with and without nursing - hard to tell because - well - aren't they ALWAYS nursing. Not sure how often cows need to be "freshed" to keep producing milk. All I do know is that they do grow bigger udders after 3-4 calvings.



Fawn
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