Starting the routine + ramping up

[dutchy]

Hi there,

Been on BE for four months now. Going to do a small cleanse then start again. Before I used Fenugreek/fennel/sawpalmetto/wild yam getting humble results.
When I start I want to ramp up to get the best results.
Can someone explain this? I don't know with which herbs to start ( :)from the above list)en which I then need to add.

Also I want to add some general supplements like:

gingko (always cold hands and feet),
xtra minerals (don't always eat my veggies),
kelp (for general metabolism),
msm (very good for building new connective tissue) ,
vit C (aids MSM).

Anyone have any ideas? Learned from Wenonae not to add too much amino acids, but which can I take in moderation that are good for BE??

Last week I was a bit nonenthousiastic about BE, but reading a lot on the board made me like it again. I even grew a bit while skipping or forgetting my herbs!! Nice. BTW Getting married next year (yeee!!), making that a supercool goal to get my desired size. Wanted a B but gonna go for C!!! Gives me more than a full year to grow.

Also maybe a weird question, but I still have a breast pump from my breastfeeding days. Can you use this to raise prolactin levels?? Or in other words stimulate your breasts like massage?

Must put my stats up, also for myself.

Bye for now and thanks for having this board, real life saver, so to speak. Dutchy

[Wenonae]

Month 1- Start low 1000mg of all except fenu 500mg.
Month 2- Ramp fennel & wild yam to 2g. Keep fenu 500mg, SP 1000mg
Month 3- Ramp fenu to 1000mg, Keep fennel and W/Y 2g & SP 1000mg
Stay here for 2 months.
Month 5- u can take a break from herbs, keep up vitamins
Month 6- Start w/ doses u had before in Month 4, but ramp SP only to 1500mg.

This should get ya somewhere .
Split the total doses in two. Once in morning and evening on empty stomach.

Gingko- not needed (increases circulation only b/c kind of thins blood). If you want to improve body temp, use l-tyro to improve thyroid function and eat green leafy veggies (for vitamin K). 500mg should be enough.

Xtra minerals- Use a women's multivitamin

Kelp- will be good since u have low temp problem. 1 to 2 caps/day.

Vit C- 1g/ day is fine

Breast pump- you can, but simplest is just to use your hands.

Wen'

[dutchy]

Thank you so much Wen for your elaborate reply. I've printed the schedule so I can follow it. Is the one month herb free for cleansing or to clear receptors or something like that?

I'm guessing L-tyro means L-tyrosine to be sure.
And I'm not going to take the trouble with the pump, sounds a bit weird anyway to use it!

Must thank you again for I am totally out of my temporary dip and feel enthousistic about the whole thing again.
I'm measuring and calculating so I can put my stats up.

Dutchy

[Wenonae]

YW.

The herb-free month will serve to let your body naturally 'cleanse' on its own and to keep from over-stimulating your receptors. Yes, L-tyro is l-tyrosine.

Measure up!

Wen'

[Wenonae]

Yikes...saw your stats post. The flu/sickness can be a drag!

Anyways, you have permanently grown 1.1 cup of fats. Drink plenty of water to re-gain your size and KEEP TO THOSE DOSES above. Don't worry. It takes a few weeks to regain, but it all comes back (when it's permanent growth).

In the meanwhile, you'll keep growing more.

Wen'

[dutchy]

Hi Wenonae,

You're a real lifesaver. Thanks for making it all easy to understand and giving me reassurance that it's still OK.
Drinking enough water is allways a bit of a forgotten thing for me, but I'll make sure I will up that. ;D

Glad I found this board and that you give such goooooooooood advice.
Greeting from a happy Dutchy
Ps I do feel fit again and seem to have recovered from the flu.

[Wenonae]

great. And you're welcome.

Wen'

[dutchy]

Hi to all,

Thought I'd write an update. Here goes.

As I mentioned I gained 1 cup on my routine from september.
Recently I got the flu and stopped using the Yasmin (headaches gone since then!!!) about a month and a half ago.

Initially I noticed a big decline in my growth, thinking I'd even lost all I gained. I started my routine again, only now a bit different.
Since my "decline" I'm on the following:

3 x a day Wild Yam 600mg (in one week ramping up to 4 x)
3 x a day Fennel 600mg (also ramping up to 4x )
2 x a day Fenugreek 600mg
2 x a day Saw palmetto 500mg

With my last dose (right before bedtime) I also take one Borage oil capsule (300mg GLA)

Along with this I take a multivit containing 200mg aminoacids
Plus an extra zinc supplement, totall intake here is 30mg.

I try to eat enough protein and need to watch out not to eat too little. I'm rather petite and skipping or forgetting to eat has a direct influence on my boobiegrowing!

Next to this I massage twice daily with the following batter:
Doesn't feel gritty!
All quantities are measured as it goes.

Melt a nice amount of coconut oil in a saucepan. Take the pan of the fire (careful not to overheat!) Than add a generous amount of fenugreek powder. Do this tablespoons at a time. The consistency should be like low fat yoghurt.
To this, add avocado oil in about 1:1 proportion.

Pour into dark colored bottle, next add 20 caps of GLA (I used EPO) and top it of with aloe vera gel so it has a nice massaging feel to it.
Add a nice smelling essential oil, my favorite is patchouli, to mask the smell a bit. Although it's not that bad at all in my oppinion.
The mixture can thicken up over time or when stored cool.
Just warm a bit or add a tiny amount of oil.
I don't wait to use it, for it works good right away

All this brought my initial growth back and I'm still growing!!!
Feel a big difference being of the pill. Then I felt growth and pain which both subsided right after my period began.
Now I feel growth, no pain and the growth stays ;D
I do think my nipples are more sensitive then before.

Ever since I began this exciting adventure I can't stand bras anymore. They feel awfull. I wanted to wear one the other day, and nearly felt claustrophobic and took it off after an hour.

So that's about all I can think of now.
Keep you posted. Nice growing to you all
Dutchy

[Wenonae]

Wow..what an update! Nice twist on boobie mix, but be wary on GLA overload since it's in your mix and you take a borage pill. Lucky for you- your system can handle it. But if you want oil substitute in the boobie batter..use olive oil

All in all...great job persevering.

Wen'

[dutchy]

Thanks Wen.

I must say, you gave me some good tips. Especially on the ramping up part.
For my boobie batter mix, I sure can try the olive oil.

So hopefully I can post another update like it in a couple of weeks.

Bye and thanks for the positive reply. Way cool.

[dutchy]

Oh forgot to ask:
I do notice my face (forehead) got greasy again and also my pimples are returning (was hoping I left them in my puberty) probably as a result of stopping the Pill. So slight bummer on that area. Do I need to increase my Saw Palmetto dosage or use something else? This is an overload of male hormones or not?

Anyone got tips? I think of it as a small price to pay, compared to the increasing bust size!!!!!
But do want to adress it.

Greetings Dutchy

[Wenonae]

Hiya Dutchy-

Pimples are just a minor inconvenience during this thing. Most of the times it's easily addressed by a topical salylic facial wash. Most times it doesn't last beyond 2 cycles after you ramp up to the higher doses. Don't up SP because you'll be stopping BE pills soon enough- it's not a permanent problem. In fact, dropping the SP will do you better and have less probs.

Wen'