Bellylaugher's routine

[bellylaugher]

Hi everyone,

Just want to say that it's been so encouraging and a relief to find this board to and realise I'm not the only one that has experienced the anguish of having small (or vitually non-existent) breasts. I now have some hope that there may be a way apart from having surgery. A couple of years ago I started saving up so that I could have surgery, but eventually chickened out due to possible complications.

Anyway, I've started up a BE routine about a week ago:

3 x Fenugreek (575mg ea) per day
3 x Saw Palmetto (575mg) per day
2 x Red Clover (575mg) per day
2 x massage 360 rotations (Fenugreek and body lotion) per day

As I measure in kgs and centimetres, I did a conversion and I'm 5'5'' and about 132 lbs. I am about 29'' underbust and 32'' bust. I've never been able to fit into an A cup bra, although, since I've been doing my routine, I can now pretty much fill one of my padded A cup bras I own, which has gotten me excited!!!

Have definately noticed more fullness in my breasts since I started my routine, they seem to look perkier and rounder.

Can someone please tell me if I'm on the right track with my routine... I haven't felt any tingles or soreness yet.

Also, I suffer from mild CFS and lately I've felt extremely tired and my blood pressure is very low. I am thinking this could be the fenugreek and if this is the case, would Fennel or something else be better?

[Wenonae]

Hi Belly'-

You're at a decent starting place. I think you'll do better withOUT the fenugreek which affects insulin levels which will prolly indirectly affect your CFS. Just to the SP, RC and massage for now. You don't necessarily have to have tingles or pain to actually grow.

G'luck
Wen'

[bellylaugher]

Thanks Wen' - really appreciate the response.

Can't wait to see where this journey is going to take me

P.S. Had a peek at your photos and you look awesome!

[bellylaugher]

Ok it's been exactly 3 weeks since I started my routine (4 since I started the massage) and still no growth. I have no growth, no pain, no soreness, no tingles, NOTHING!

I am thinking that I will ramp up soon, and double EVERYTHING that I am taking internally at the start of my next cycle. Do I have to wait to my next cycle, or can I ramp up anytime?

OR am I just being IMPATIENT and should just keep going as I am?!

Also... I eat three main meals a day (and my dinner is usually pretty big - I find that I can't sleep if I'm hungry). My metabolism is really good so I can get away with doing this without putting on weight. But I also snack heaps during the day... SOOOOO my question is that I know I should take my pills on an empty stomach, ie. 1/2 an hour before a meal, or 2 hours after a meal, but say I snack 1 hour after a meal, does that mean I have to wait 2 hours from that time? If so, it could be the reason why nothing's been happening as I never really have an empty stomach due to my constant snacking. Hehe... or perhaps I should change that??

[Wenonae]

It sure sound like your burning more than your body can generate in storage fats. Eating throughout the day keeps that fat-burning thing going really well. Add a protein shake to slow that down a bit and take pills 30minutes before your snack or before eating a meal.

As far as pills..if you're still on fenugreek, I'd only look at doubling the RC.

Wen'

[bellylaugher]

OK so I've now been on BE for 6 weeks.

I took your advice Wen and brought myself some protein powder and have a shake each night about 1.5 hours before I go to bed. I'm also taking my pills at least 2 hrs after food/0.5 hours before food. Actually, I've kinda developed a routine where I'm taking them about the same time each day: 2AM, 10AM and 6PM. It kinda works out coz for some reason, without fail, I will wake up 4 hrs after I've gone to bed to pee! I can't seem to go through a night without getting up to pee, sometimes it's more, but lately it's only been the once, which is good. Anyway, enough about my stupid bladder...

Ok, so now I have grown about half in a inch, my new stats are:

Underbust: 29.5''
Bust: 32.5''

They are actually looking like real boobs now! I really like the shape of them and I actually have fats at the tops too so I have the beginnings of a valley! Yay! When I wear a push up bra I get a little cleavage, so I'm very hopeful! (They're still tiny, but compared to what I had before, it's something). I would consider myself a full AA now, or a small A.

Anyway, this is my current routine:

2AM, 10AM, 6PM:
1 x Fenugreek (575mg) = total of 1725mg per day
2 x Red Clover (1150mg) = total of 3450mg per day
1 x Saw Palmetto (575mg) = total of 1725mg per day

Morning and Night:
Massage with lotion combined with Fenugreek extract and Wild Yam extract.

Oh and I forgot to mention that I'm also taking Estelle (essentially the same as Dianne) Birth Control (have been on this since before I started BE).

Am I taking too much of Red Clover?

Still haven't felt any pains. Also, I've only grown 0.5 of an inch, I know it's still growth, but I was expecting to have grown more by this point. I can't really ramp up coz if I double the Fenugreek I will be over 3000mg a day, and well over 5000mg a day of total herbs (which i think is the general rule of thumb?).

Because I started off with Greenbush herbs, they come in 575mg capsules, so I'm wondering if I should buy some in lower doses so I can ramp up.

I just have this funny feeling that the reason why my growth is so slow is because I've already stalled. Or do I just need a kick up the bum because I'm just being too impatient!!!!!

[Wenonae]

Hiya Belly'-

Congrats on making progress.

Your RC looks fine. Rule of thumb- no more than 3-5g's of each phyto-herb (max 2g fenu). Usually, one should do no more than 3-4 herbs at that max dose (so that 9-12g's).

If you grew w/o pains...screw having pains. LOL. You've not been doing your routine long enough to have stalled. So here's a kick up the bum! *kick* Your stalling clue, when you don't measure any progress after 2 cycles.

Wen'

[bellylaugher]

Oooooh good kick! I have a nice big bruise now

Thanks Wen!

[bellylaugher]

Ok after my last period, I only measured about 32.5 - it's so hard to tell, coz it's different depending on how I wrap the tape around my body! It is between 32 - 32.75. So I'll settle for 32.5.

Anyway, I decided to ramp right down and change a few things around. So my new routine is:

PER DAY
2 x 575mg Fenugreek
2 x 575mg Red Clover
2 x 575mg Saw Palmetto
1 x 500mg Damiana
2 x 1000mg EPO
2 x massage with fenugreek & wild yam extract mixed with aloe vera gel
1 x protein shake
1 x teabag Fennel tea - I just fill a cup with water and keep the bag in it, so i'll have 1-2 cups a day

Since I threw in the Damiana, EPO and aloe vera gel, I have noticed some new growth! I am 2 weeks in and am now measuring 33.25 (again, between 33 - 33.5 depending on how tape is held).

I'm not sure which ingredient is affecting the growth, but it's definately working! At such low doses too!! Hey, i'm happy, costs less for me

Looking forward to see what i get during Luteal (yeah - it'll be a bit of a tease, but I may even fit into an A cup nicely)

[Wenonae]

Ooo...so you're benefitting by the good ole trick the body technique. Goody.
BTW, it's really the protein shake that's got you goin; . The damiana and EPO are kinda doing not that much for ur BE..but they are helping your system to run smoother. Fennel tea..heck 2-3 cups daily should be your goal for a coupla months.

Ya-hoo. Keep it up.

Wen'

[bellylaugher]

WHAT THE.... I am now in luteal and instead of the nice swelling I was expecting to get, I have actually shrunk down to 32.75/33. I don't get it... Am very disappointed. It seems the extra growth I got in the first two weeks was temporary as it's gone now
I have been stressed over the past week and a half though, so my appetite hasn't been so good, but there isn't a huge difference in what I normally eat. could that have something to do with it?

[Wenonae]

Ah..the great BE journey.

Go back to what you were taking before the change. Add ONE thing for two weeks and see if you notice any diff. If not, then add the next herb. This way you know exactly what helps.

Wen'

[bellylaugher]

I got back the growth that I lost, am now at around 33.5. Definately have hope back and over the previous disappointment!

Changed my routine slightly and have been on this routine since my last period (currently 2 weeks in). I ran out of red clover so upped the fenugreek slightly.

PER DAY
3 x 575mg Fenugreek
2 x 575mg Saw Palmetto
1 x 1000mg EPO
2 x massage with fenugreek & wild yam extract mixed with aloe vera gel
1 x protein shake
2-3 cups Fennel tea

I'm still taking pills only twice a day. In the morning, I take 1 FG and 1 SP,
at night I take 2 FG, 1 SP, 1 EPO and drink the protein shake about 1/2 hour before bed.

Can't wait til I hit 34" - bring it on!

[bellylaugher]

Well I'm definately getting growth. It's very slow, but it's definately happening.

The only thing is that I have got these little red patches on my breasts. They are circular or oval in shape, on my right breast they are on top and underneath, and on my left breast, just underneath where the underwire of my bra sits. They look like they should be sore or itchy, but they aren't. They just don't look appealing that's all!

I think it's from the extracts, but not too sure. It's not a big problem - some of the ones that were higher up on my chest have gradually faded/disappeared. But then a get new ones in a different spot. So I think if I stopped booby batter, it will probably eventually stop and all fade away.

Does anyone else get this? And if so, what do you do about it?

[bellylaugher]

Oh and I'm now measuring 33.75. Slowly but surely!