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Post by makinbbs on Apr 30, 2007 19:12:43 GMT -5
Starting stats: Band: 29.5 Around Nipples: 32.4 1.5 " above Nipples: 31.5 3" above Nipples: 32.5 Collar Bone to Nipple: 7 Chest under Breast to Nipple: 2.5 Routine 6am - Take Temp L'tyrosine - (1 pill) = 500mg Kelp - (1 pill) = 150mg Bovine Ovary (6 pills) = 900mg Massage 7:30 - eat breakfast 11:30 - eat lunch 1:30 - protein shake 3:00 - snack 7:30 - dinner 9:30pm - L'tyrosine - (1 pill) = 500mg Kelp - (1 pill) = 150mg Bovine Ovary (6 pills) = 900mg Before sleep - Massage Rules: Less Caffeine (i.e. - decaf tea, but still eat chocolate) No soy, tofu No fluoridated toothpaste BO and Tyrosine must be taken 1 hour before or 2 hours after meals, with water One shake every day during most active part of day If problems with temp either add liquid internal form iodine or increase Tyrosine to 2000mg and Kelp to 500mg No carbs after 8pm Massage!  |
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Post by makinbbs on Apr 30, 2007 19:16:50 GMT -5
My background:
34 yrs old
2 children, bf both of them - finished bfing 4 months ago
Was a 32B, 32Cwhen pregnant, a little bigger when nursing - now, a deflated smaller-than-32b-not-willing-to-admit-an-A-cup
Had endometriosis and HORRIBLE cramps until now. PGy seems to have taken that away. (Thank You!!!)
I can feel ovulation now, hurts a bit, but not a huge deal. Period is now longer and less painful.
Have low temps in follicular phase. Basal body temp in am is 97.2 range. After ovulation it is in the 97.9-98.2 range.
More info as it seems relevant!
Ideas:
Other things to try - Evening Primrose Oil, L'Argenine, DIM, Royal Jelly, Blossom-s soap, Reuteri (for IBS)
Revisit Cyd's website
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Post by makinbbs on May 2, 2007 20:01:23 GMT -5
First of all - an invitation. Anyone who wishes to comment on the routine or ask questions, feel free. I'm still new - so I'm trying it all on for size and appreciate feedback!
My concerns:
1. Lots of talk lately about women not keeping results from BO. Honestly, I have no interest in short-term gain. If I'm not going to keep the results, none of this is worth it to me. So - I really need to get some good feedback on lasting results!
2. I tried the growyours program. It didn't work for me because of my inability to commit. I just did not have 88 minutes a day to spare. With two children under 2.5 in the house, I can't go around massaging my boobs all day! Also, I think it would take a LOT of massage for this to work for me in particular. I actually deflated while I was still nursing my son - so if his 3x a day nursing couldn't keep my size up, I can't imagine what it would take by myself! Still, I do feel that it is a very safe and likely effective program for most women and I would encourage anyone with time to jump into it full steam ahead.
---- On the bright side. I started BO pills - this is day 3. Believe it or not, I am feeling something already in my breasts. Some pains. When I grabbed them to massage I got fluid very quickly (I've had a bit of fluid since quitting nursing 4 months ago). I barely touched myself and it was there, so I don't know if this is a good thing, or a bad thing. I think I'll post and see what feedback I get.
I don't feel a bit bigger. Oh, that reminds me - I'm going to edit my first post to put in my stats.
Thanks for reading!
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Post by Wenonae on May 2, 2007 20:08:52 GMT -5
Well, Kiddo- I mean this. Everyone is different. BO can cause permanent increase, but most people I know do not keep (I tried it too). If you're after something 'sure', do some muscle-testing to know what you're body needs. Another comment: if this is your first BE effort, the body will go wild like- "oh! I guess I'll respond". But what tends to happen (if you're not on the right thing), is that you'll have temporary water gains which leave after you stop the supplementation (very frustrating). On the other hand, one of the first signs of growth is pain- so you could be on the right path! Stay on the BO at least 3 cycles and see if after swelling (especially during luteal), you regain a little bit after your period's left. You can then try skipping a cycle with no BO, no pills and see what stays around. The other option is muscle-testing/kinesiology so at least you know what you're supposed to use for BE. G' luck Wen'  |
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Post by makinbbs on May 2, 2007 21:52:28 GMT -5
Wen,
Thanks SO much for taking a look and responding. I don't know much about alternate tools for enhancement. However, I did follow your suggestion for looking into dowsing, etc... before I chose a program. I started reading about it a few weeks ago. While dowsing probably isn't for me, I got chills doing the muscle testing (the yes/no answers were CLEAR) but experienced mixed results (couldn't get the yes/no clearly for foods when they were written on paper and put in my lap - even at different locations in the house). Still, I used the muscle testing when choosing a program and it indicated that Grow Yours and BO were my very best bets - especially if used together. I wanted to get some increase from GY and then add BO, but just couldn't keep up with the GY program. Muscle testing still indicated that BO would work on its own. However, I did not ask to see if I would keep the results permanently. Yikes!
I think I'll take your advice and see what I get after 3/4 cylces - then quit and see what I keep. A question - in your experience do most people lose their growth regardless of what strategy they try? Meaning - is BO is less likely than herbs to be permanent for most people?
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Post by Wenonae on May 3, 2007 0:33:12 GMT -5
O, np responding. So, woow muscle test was clear, eh? before using the paper things. Seems you're apt at doing it for basic stuffs then Cool you ask generally about BO and GY. My observation is that people will lose their growth regardless if it's not the right thing for their body to trigger permanent growth. BO- wow...just not a lot of positive/permanent growths reported. I've even corresponded with people who posted testimonials- they told me that they eventually lost what they had. BO works for BE for the minority of poeple I think...but just not most. Given that BO is ovary, and glandulars improve the health of that organ, if your ovary isn't weak or producing low levels of hormones, BO won't do much good for making the body increase its estrogen production enough to allow permanent breast growth. Just FYI- very cool- I do confirm that GY and BO your best route.  So if no GY- do just some basic massage, it'll help. Muscle-testing...I'm getting you just can't accurately do it in your house (too much interference, bummer), but you'd be fine in the driveway or street of your house (not the garage). Ever think about sitting in the car? lol. Maybe once a every coupla weeks or month to make sure your dose levels are fine. Happy growin' Wen' |
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Post by makinbbs on May 3, 2007 7:32:33 GMT -5
Thanks so much for checking for me, Wen. I am certainly pleased about the possibility of growing and I will keep muscle testing as the process goes on. I will do it out in the driveway (sitting in the car I won't be bothered by kids!) - I had not even thought of that. I will keep massaging as best I can to improve circulation if nothing else. I've wondered about the BO thing from the start. Why aren't we taking Bovine Mammary? Has anyone tried it? |
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Post by Wenonae on May 3, 2007 13:08:47 GMT -5
Mammary would help mammary gland help. Glands don't provide breast size and don't produce estrogen (which promotes storage of fats ). Healthy ovaries help with natural estrogen and progesterone production (both of which are needed to grow bbs. Wen' |
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Post by makinbbs on May 6, 2007 13:18:15 GMT -5
Thanks, Wen. That makes sense. I'm still wondering what kind of hormones they give to chickens to get the super-big boobs. Also, I wonder if the extra hormones help, but really only during the phase in which your body is growing natually anyway. If the BB people aren't keeping their boobs, maybe this is why. Perhaps it really only does work for it's original purpose - to help adolescent girls who are not growing normally. *sigh*
Still plodding along. I feel a bit fuller today, but it feel like water weight. I'm not even going to bother measuring. I'll add more when something noteworthy happens!
-- One thing I've noticed, though, is that I get more pain on Sundays and that is my most active day (I go to work all morning and I'm a dog trainer). --- Perhaps am exercise could assist in growing.....? a thought.
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Post by Wenonae on May 6, 2007 14:56:33 GMT -5
Thanks, Wen. That makes sense. I'm still wondering what kind of hormones they give to chickens to get the super-big boobs. Also, I wonder if the extra hormones help, but really only during the phase in which your body is growing natually anyway. If the BB people aren't keeping their boobs, maybe this is why. Perhaps it really only does work for it's original purpose - to help adolescent girls who are not growing normally. *sigh* Still plodding along. I feel a bit fuller today, but it feel like water weight. I'm not even going to bother measuring. I'll add more when something noteworthy happens! -- One thing I've noticed, though, is that I get more pain on Sundays and that is my most active day (I go to work all morning and I'm a dog trainer). --- Perhaps am exercise could assist in growing.....? a thought. Yeah...exercise raises HgH levels naturally. This growth hormone helps a lot of things including increasing the body's ability to store fats and generate muscle. HgH also raises naturally at night..which is why you can wake up in the morning feeling fuller; it can be suppressed by eating too much starch 2 hrs. rite before u go to sleep...so avoid that. BO- it really could be your thing. Maybe your ovaries just needed a little support. Whatever comes, it what you were naturally supposed to have anyways. Def wait to measure until after your AF comes. In my early days, I just waited to see how my bras fit. Tape measuring, you need to put in exactly the same place, or you can measure 'false hope'. lol. Wen' |
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Post by makinbbs on May 6, 2007 21:31:49 GMT -5
Firstly - thanks for the encouragement, Wen!!! Now - I am going to start a new routine. I've been on this one for 7 days now and it isn't that I'm impatient, but that I totally forgot the pituitary I am supposed to be taking. Plus, since I am taking generic BO, I think I will try spreading them out to 3x a day instead of two. Also, I'd like to try Saw Palmetto again, but in smaller doses. Ramp from 1 pill to 3 per day. So, here goes: Routine 6am L'tyrosine - (1 pill) = 500mg Kelp - (1 pill) = 150mg Bovine Ovary (4 pills) = 600mg Pituitary (1 pill) = 35mg 7:30 - eat breakfast Saw Palmetto (1 pill)m = 160mg EPO (1 pill) = 1,000mg Multivitamin (1 pill) Protein Shake 11:30 eat Lunch - Kelp - (1 pill) = 150mg Bovine Ovary (4 pills) = 600mg Pituitary (1 pill) = 35mg Saw Palmetto (1 pill) = 160mg L'Argenine (1 pill) = 500mg 8:00 - dinner 10:00pm - L'tyrosine - (1 pill) = 500mg Kelp - (1 pill) = 150mg Bovine Ovary (4 pills) = 600mg Pituitary (1 pill) = 35mg Saw Palmetto (1 pill) = 160mg Before sleep - Massage Rules: Less Caffeine (i.e. - decaf tea, but still eat chocolate) No soy, tofu No fluoridated toothpaste BO and Tyrosine must be taken 1 hour before or 2 hours after meals, with water [am taking with lunch, though] One shake every day during most active part of day If problems with temp either add liquid internal form iodine or increase Tyrosine to 2000mg and Kelp to 500mg No carbs after 8pm Massage! Next: As per Wen's suggestion: get the basement cleaned and exercise room fixed up so I can add an exercise element to this. Perhaps exercise at night is best to really boost the growth hormones at the time at which they will most naturally be used by my body. I know exercise to close to bed can hamper sleep, but maybe I'll be lucky and be able to sleep anyway. Will have to play with it - kids put a serious damper on my ability to schedule things. Also, to keep in mind - Emmie's routine: www.network54.com/Forum/482052/thread/1157994870/last-1175415890/Emmie%27s+Program |
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Post by makinbbs on May 10, 2007 7:20:18 GMT -5
OK, I'm taking the Saw Palmetto out all together. Even at 160mg I get headaches! Even if I take it only once a day. Yikes! Also, I break out terribly from the boobie batter recipe on Botanical Beauty site. It says that it works well for women with cystic acne (which is just horrible), so I tried it for about 3 weeks. I think it really did resolve the cystic acne, but unfortunately, there must be something in it that I am allergic to because I got regular pimples wherever I put it - my face, back, breasts. They just continued to get worse through the weeks. I doubt it is the aloe vera, so that only leaves Saw Palmetto and Red Clover. Witht he SP giving me headaches, I wonder if it is that....
Now I just need a replacement for a face moisturizer that I can make to help with the acne.....
No growth yet. Considering adding hypnosis.
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Post by Wenonae on May 10, 2007 13:43:55 GMT -5
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Post by makinbbs on May 11, 2007 11:06:49 GMT -5
Wen, - thanks. I was using a Neutrogena product that I loved, but they quit making it. This aveeno one looks similar. I'll try it!
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Post by makinbbs on May 17, 2007 7:39:36 GMT -5
OK, for the record - I am in the swelling time right before my period. I measured to see how "big" they've gotten - around the nipples only 32.7! Ha! Going from 32.4 to 32.7 is teeny tiny. Seems I can't even swell measurably. LOL Boy have these kids messed up my boobs and body! *sigh*
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