Mandy's routine

[mandy]

I might be noticing a difference in the way my breasts look, but my period is coming due on Christmas. What a present huh? I seem to be getting sick from these herbs though. I feel nauseous after taking them, and am having lots of intestinal discomfort. Maybe my liver is overloaded I don't know. I am going to start drinking some whey protein powder shakes after reading an article about them helping with energy and weight loss. I do eat plenty of red meat, probably 5 times a week for dinner and sometimes for lunch.
Another thing I've noticed from these herbs is they seem to contribute to brain fog. I almost feel like I did when I was pregnant! Boobies are very sore and itchy! I am really hoping I get some results from all of this!

[Wahaika]

Mandy,

How's the exercise going? Are you still having lactic acid pains? They should be pretty minimal by now if you kept walking briskly and breathing deeply after each exercise session.

On estrogenic herbs like fenugreek, fennel, and arguably wild yam, the total should not exceed 5000mg combined, per day. You are way over that on fenugreek and wild yam:

575 X 9 = 5175mg

Ramp down to 575 X 6 = 3450 or take one at lunch time rather than two which is 575 X 5 = 2875. You could even alternate 6 one day, 5 the next. Do this for both. Or, if you are brave, pay attention to the growth feelings and go by that. If you ramp too low and the growing stops, then ramp back up. But generally speaking, and "by the numbers" you want to be as stated above - around 3000mg per day of fenugreek.

Saw Palmetto can go to about 5 grams per day.

What is probably happening is that you are getting dehydrated, because fenugreek is a diuretic, and because fenugreek lowers blood sugar, that may explain the nausea and brain fog including headaches. When you get that, eat some candy or chocolate, or drink some soda pop to get the sugar back up quickly. It comes back pretty fast, so you would know in 5 minutes or less if that was the problem. Longer term, increase your carb intake. You can also take your herbs 30 min after a meal rather than before.

As far as the BE effort goes, I think you are headed for a stall at those dosages.

Do you have a massage component? I very highly recommend it. Take a look at < Pammy's Routine > and < "Booby Batter Recipes" - (Reply #2 from Wahaika) > for some good massage instructions and recipes. If you ever go to extracts, you can use them and some aloe vera gel. But if you do not have a massage component, you might want to fit that in if you can.

Wahaika

[mandy]

Yes I am brave and I rely on my body to let me know when something is wrong or right so basing the dosage on my sensations seems natural.

Yeah, I have some olive oil, borage oil and powdered fenugreek concoction, but I can't seem to remember to use it (part of the brain fog? ;D) I have used it a couple of times. I have gotten some extracts in, but don't know where to get Aloe Vera gel. Now that I have the extracts it would be easy to just calculate 3 mls of Fenugreek a day. Converting the 575 mg to the liquid extracts has seemed confusing.
I didn't realize I was taking too much because I thought on your recommendation schedule it said I could take up to 5 capsules of each 3 X day. I must of misunderstood the schedule. I do feel unwell at these amounts, but I also want the growth.
The exercise has been put to the side a bit because in the past couple weeks there have been some stressful events such as a sister's house burning down and an illness in the family. Your advice did help with the sore muscles though. And I plan on starting up the exercise again after Christmas.
I shall rethink the herbs and maybe ramp down a bit. The fenugreek anyway will not be going over 3,000 mg if I go with 3mls. Maybe 1ml in the morning 1 afternoon and 1 at bedtime. I would like to keep the rest of the herbs the same, but I will see how I feel first. Also I will probably skip the 1st day of my cycle and drink some detox tea just for fun.
Thank you for all of your help.

[mandy]

Last night I felt sick to my stomache so I just had 1 ml of Saw Palmetto extract in some juice with my borage oil and L-Arginine.
And did do a massage at bedtime.
This morning I had
3 Saw Palmetto 575 mg capsules
3 Wild Yam 575mg capsules
1 ml of Fenugreek extract in some coffee
1 Thyroid essentials supplement
25 mg zinc
1,000 vit C (my kids have colds - I don't want them)
25 mg B6
350 mg St John's Wort (PMS irritibility)

Don't know if I will be "ramping" too fast if I follow this for noon and evening dosages today or maybe I should do my original 3 capsules of ea for noon and evening and then tomorrow cut one fenugreek capsule for noon etc. Course now I am having PMS swelling probably and soreness, but I hope I continue with the growing sensations after backing down my dosages. It would be really nice if they stayed firm and plump looking after aunt flow was gone. I suppose that is wishful thinking though.

[mandy]

I am thinking of chaning my routine slightly and seeing how things go
Morning:
3 Saw Palmetto 575mg
3 Wild Yam 575 mg
Thyroid essentials supplement

Noon:
2 Fenugreek 575 mg
3 Saw Palmetto 575mg
3 Wild Yam 575 mg


Evening:
3 Fenugreek 575 mg
3 Saw Palmetto 575 mg
3 Wild Yam 575 mg
1300 mg Borage oil
900 mg L-Arginine
massage right breast with olive oil, Fenugreek powder.

Night time: dream about boobs (I did last night- and wha la! the right one looked bigger this morning!)

Note- if I get some Fennel I shall slip that in my morning dose in place of the Fenugreek.

[mandy]

I have decided to change my routine and try something different. I have ordered some BO pills since they were relatively inexpensive I thought I would give them a try. I also have some PM (Pueriria Mirifica), but only enough for 1 months worth and that stuff is more expensive so for now I will probably just wait for the BO to arrive. Later down the road if the BO doesn't work I will try the PM.
In the meantime (while I wait) I have been exercising, eating better and hoping that a few pounds will drop.
I still take borage oil and L-Arginine at night. I have some L-Glutamine so I may add that in at night also.
Still doing massages at night.
By the way, I only gained a little fullness over all, on the herbs and really when I looked back at my calender. I had been taking them for 5 months. I also seemed to have put on some weight too. I still have a bunch of herbs and will save them. There were some benefits in taking them, I just want to try something else for now.

[mandy]

After doing some reading, I have started on the Pueriria Mirifica today. I am being very cautious since my body is sensitive.
I am starting out with a brand made by Bio Woman. It has almost no english on the package which does concern me. There is no way of knowing what other ingrediants are in the pills.
However I have taken 2 capsules.
Tomorrow I may add a third in the afternoon if I don't get any bad side effects.
Still doing pilates exercises, still taking other supplements for health and BE support:
Thyroid essentials from Swanson vitamins
Borage oil
L-Arginine
L-Glutamin
take last 3 at bedtime
Have some cream that came with the Bio Woman, applying that twice a day until it runs out (it's a small jar)
Just have to wait now and see if I get the growing pains/sensations.

[Wenonae]

mandy said:

After doing some reading, I have started on the Pueriria Mirifica today. I am being very cautious since my body is sensitive.
I am starting out with a brand made by Bio Woman. It has almost no english on the package which does concern me. There is no way of knowing what other ingrediants are in the pills.
However I have taken 2 capsules.
Tomorrow I may add a third in the afternoon if I don't get any bad side effects.
Still doing pilates exercises, still taking other supplements for health and BE support:
Thyroid essentials from Swanson vitamins
Borage oil
L-Arginine
L-Glutamin
take last 3 at bedtime
Have some cream that came with the Bio Woman, applying that twice a day until it runs out (it's a small jar)
Just have to wait now and see if I get the growing pains/sensations.

Sorry- I saw this routine and did . Just a zillion bad vibes. Usually only feel like that when something is dangerous. Really, give a go at muscle-testing to see if you can better sense what your body needs (click here for description)


Wen'

[mandy]

Are your bad vibes because of the foreign brand? I have read other ladies posts who are taking the same stuff. PM of the Bio Woman brand. I don't feel it's dangerous from that view. I just am not sure how my body will react to the PM and if I did say, have an alergic reaction there would be no way of knowing what in the capsule I was allergic to, but I still feel safe in taking it, in fact already took it and I feel totally fine so far.
I do appreciate your help and concern though.

[Wenonae]

mandy said:

Are your bad vibes because of the foreign brand? I have read other ladies posts who are taking the same stuff. PM of the Bio Woman brand. I don't feel it's dangerous from that view. I just am not sure how my body will react to the PM and if I did say, have an alergic reaction there would be no way of knowing what in the capsule I was allergic to, but I still feel safe in taking it, in fact already took it and I feel totally fine so far.
I do appreciate your help and concern though.

No, actually the visual that popped into my mind was your ovaries crumpling/decaying. If you're biologically prone to cancer, all you need it enough exposure on the wrong hormonal stuff to trigger it into overdrive.

You're doing trial and error and I usually don't say anything because I'm all for trying SOMETHING (and anyways, a post like this usually seems bogus).

I'm sure a few weeks won't hurt a soul- but just as you plan- pay meticulous care to your sensations. Still, most with ovarian cancer don't even know they have it until way late in the game. I'm not trying to scare you....just felt compulsed to post the concern.

Actually, the foreign brand PM is a solid source (for someone else). All the rest of your list- just won't further help your health situation, especially using the PM. Alrighty..enuf babbling.

Wen'

[mandy]

lol (ovaries crumbling vision)
Well, thank you for your worries, I will keep an eye out and probably should get a pap soon anyway, maybe in a month or so.
This sentence of yours, I am having trouble understanding: (I don't know how to copy stuff the way you guys do it)

"All the rest of your list- just won't further help your health situation, especially using the PM."

What did you mean by this? The extra supplements won't help me with general health or they will and they won't help BE with PM or they will?

[Wenonae]

mandy said:

"All the rest of your list- just won't further help your health situation, especially using the PM."

What did you mean by this? The extra supplements won't help me with general health or they will and they won't help BE with PM or they will?

Just that I sense that your body is gonna be stretched thin fighting the overload from those supplements. And that it will get stretched even further with use of the PM.

Wen'

[mandy]

That's interesting. I have sometimes wondered if taking supplements was harder on my body.
But I do believe there are times when they have helped me enormously. I will keep a better eye on that though.
Thanks for your time and input

[mandy]

Well, I've been trying lots of different things it seems since I last posted here.
Started ST Herb on March 16th, 2007
Measured 32 1/2" under bust and 37 3/4" across bust. That might have included some swelling from period.
Have felt tired. I know now this is from the hormones. Very little seems to help, just have to wait it out. I am taking vitamins and eating healthy.
Life is pretty busy all of the time it seems so there's not a lot of time to fuss too much about a routine.